Managerial Changes

[WarriorCam]

Originally Posted by Pandar

Nobody is painting him as an angel. We all know Jerret can be rude and abrasive.

That doesn't change the fact that in spite of his negative attributes, he is a very positive asset for Zodiac, and Graal in general, and removing him from Manager for his behavior is a poor judgment of value. I'd rather have an absolute jerk who's good at his job than some nice guy who's incompetent and untalented. Jerret was worth his negative qualities.

To be fair to the PWAs, the rules should apply to all regardless of their level of development talent. I have no idea what the real deal is with Jerret though, just saying.

[smirt362]

There's no denying that he is, in some limited sense, an asset to the community.

That's some bold understatement.

[Rufus]

Why don't these rules apply to Chris Vimes?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Why don't these rules apply to Chris Vimes?

I don't see what you're getting at here. I'm not manager of anything, and when I was, I was fired for what I did by the PWA (and rightly so). Tig has even globally banned me in the past himself. This is all years ago and I've made considerable attempts to change since then.

I'm all for restoring Jer as manager, but I don't think this situation is similar at all to what I did (spawning items). The worst accusations aimed at Jer are that he was unprofessional.

I do give Tig respect for explaining the situation, though, and I've known him long enough to know that he doesn't make these kind of decisions on a whim.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

The worst accusations aimed at Jer are that he was unprofessional.

Indeed. Which seems to mostly apply to the forums. I still can't see that as a reason for firing him, considering the did such a remarkable job as a manager.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

I don't see what you're getting at here. I'm not manager of anything, and when I was, I was fired for what I did by the PWA (and rightly so). Tig has even globally banned me in the past himself. This is all years ago and I've made considerable attempts to change since then.

I'm all for restoring Jer as manager, but I don't think this situation is similar at all to what I did (spawning items). The worst accusations aimed at Jer are that he was unprofessional.

Both you and Seeya were banned for selling Era items for money on the 30th of April 2011. The ban was by Tig, yes. However, both you and Seeya were allowed to evade this ban on alternate accounts (Graal778257 and Graal753452) and were allowed to continue playing and WORKING on Graal Kingdoms. In addition to this the GK player known as Vinka, the guy that spammed the entire forum up with pornographic material and was going to be pursued with legal action from unixmad, has been working on the Graal Kingdoms iPhone port.

I think that this situation is very comparable because it shows just how hypocritical this administration is. You can paint Jerret like he's a 'sexually charged' deviant, but allow the real crimes to go unpunished because it benefits your own servers? No, that's not right at all.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Rufus

You can paint Jerret like he's a 'sexually charged' deviant, but allow the real crimes to go unpunished because it benefits your own servers? No, that's not right at all.

I agree. My main issue with this decision (besides it being a slap in the face to Jer, who has put countless hours into Zodiac) is that they will never be able to find somebody who can do a better job of managing the server than he can.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

I agree. My main issue with this decision (besides it being a slap in the face to Jer, who has put countless hours into Zodiac) is that they will never be able to find somebody who can do a better job of managing the server than he can.

I agree with you too, but my main issue is that this is being drawn like it is about protecting the community and professionalism. Neither of those things seemed to come in to play when it is Graal Kingdoms that is brought up. Hell, the quote that Tig first posted was to Jerret when he posted ABOUT the corruption on Graal Kingdoms.

This is just bull****.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Both you and Seeya were banned for selling Era items for money on the 30th of April 2011. The ban was by Tig, yes. However, both you and Seeya were allowed to evade this ban on alternate accounts (Graal778257 and Graal753452) and were allowed to continue playing and WORKING on Graal Kingdoms. In addition to this the GK player known as Vinka, the guy that spammed the entire forum up with pornographic material and was going to be pursued with legal action from unixmad, has been working on the Graal Kingdoms iPhone port.

I think that this situation is very comparable because it shows just how hypocritical this administration is. You can paint Jerret like he's a 'sexually charged' deviant, but allow the real crimes to go unpunished because it benefits your own servers? No, that's not right at all.

Rufus, nobody is preventing Jerret from developing on Zodiac. For now, we ask that he only works on the dev server if he insists on working, but we are in no way telling him he's not allowed to develop for Zodiac, just as we did not actively stop Chris and Seeya from working when they were banned because they were behaving under their new accounts (which they paid for). It's not really comparable at all because Jerret was removed for entirely different reasons, and he was not banned from the game.

Furthermore, don't clump Vinka in as part of GK iPhone's staff. Vinka was fired from GK iPhone for his poor behavior on the forums (posting the porn, etc) and globally banned. We handle every situation on a case-by-case basis and we always try to be as fair as we can, obviously we can't make everyone happy, but you're really blowing it into more than it is. If this is going to turn into a thread about this, I'm going to close it.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Rufus, nobody is preventing Jerret from developing on Zodiac. For now, we ask that he only works on the dev server if he insists on working, but we are in no way telling him he's not allowed to develop for Zodiac, just as we did not actively stop Chris and Seeya from working when they were banned because they were behaving under their new accounts (which they paid for). It's not really comparable at all because Jerret was removed for entirely different reasons, and he was not banned from the game.

Furthermore, don't clump Vinka in as part of GK iPhone's staff. Vinka was fired from GK iPhone for his poor behavior on the forums (posting the porn, etc) and globally banned. We handle every situation on a case-by-case basis and we always try to be as fair as we can, obviously we can't make everyone happy, but you're really blowing it into more than it is. If this is going to turn into a thread about this, I'm going to close it.

You sound like you're just making up rules now. Since when were people allowed to evade and work on servers when they're globally banned? According to the code of conduct, 'Users whose accounts have been terminated by any Graal Online administrator or LINUX Cyberjoueurs himself may not access the Graal Online system in any manner or for any reason without the express written permission of Cyberjoueur'. Moreover, if Jerret has a history of 'asking people sexually charged, highly inappropriate questions in public' and there has been 'a degree of harassment from him' then why would he be allowed to work on Zodiac at all? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

I don't agree with the hypocritical nature that you seem to work in favor of yourself and the projects that you work on. You might think it is acceptable to make Jerret out to be some big bad that the PWA had to remove, but based on how you've allowed people (namely those within your circle of friends) to get away with much worse, I do not know how you expect anyone to take this seriously. I can only assume that you'll throw in that Jerret was a manager and thus is expected to have acted in a more professional way than what your buddies were doing. If he was actually doing his job though, which he clearly was, wouldn't it have better served THIS case to have left him banned from the forums?

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

I don't see what you're getting at here. I'm not manager of anything, and when I was, I was fired for what I did by the PWA (and rightly so). Tig has even globally banned me in the past himself. This is all years ago and I've made considerable attempts to change since then.

Fired and banned for selling items for USD > unbanned & reinstated as manager. I'm not putting you at blame for that, but it's definitely part of the Vimes circle-jerk that has been going around for some time now.

[smirt362]

On the subject of Triple_Combo I hear that she was flaunting her USD'ing. Apparently people who do their job get punished for it.

[MattKan]

Who gives a **** about how he works on the forums? Seriously? You just banned probably the greatest scripter on Graal, who has been the living soul of the Scripting Forums for years.

Perhaps instead of firing people who actually help Graal, we should be focused on firing the tyrannous PWA who hurt Graal.

He's done everything he can to help the game. You're obviously not very in tune with the community for a "PlayerWorld Administrator". Go ahead, ban him from the forums if you must, but the forums have nothing to do with Zodiac considering Zodiac doesn't even use these forums, so, in my mind, you don't have the authortiy to take him down there.

[Eskimo]

For all of the zodiac players on this thread, prepare yourselves. After this, I'm sure PWAs will make sure to put someone well suited for the job in charge of zodiac. AKA one of their friends who probably doesn't even play on the server.

[Emera]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

For all of the zodiac players on this thread, prepare yourselves. After this, I'm sure PWAs will make sure to put someone well suited for the job in charge of zodiac. AKA one of their friends who probably doesn't even play on the server.

Good management skills have nothing to do with knowing about the server you're managing. Granted that some decent knowledge of the server will be more than helpful when dealing with players.

Originally Posted by Crow

Indeed. Which seems to mostly apply to the forums. I still can't see that as a reason for firing him, considering the did such a remarkable job as a manager.

I agree with the fact that Jerret did a great job at managing Zodiac in some aspects, but Tig clearly pointed out the unprofessionalism he has shown within the past year. If it were up to me, I'd also have a very long think wether or not he's fit for managing one of Graal's most successful servers. You may bash me for saying this, and I'd be more happier making my own decision on the case if I knew the whole story, but a manager can't shown that level of unprofessionalism in the public eye, no matter how talented he is at developing. Jerret still has my vote for the time being though, since I can't think of anybody better to manage the place.