Scam complaints accumulate

[XGoLink]

This is rediclious, you have nothing to say, Sam.. Scamming is legal/

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

But why should that mean that staff shouldn't help?

It's not like we don't help. Of course, we try to retrieve the scammed items back, though, if we can't, we can't. Usually, I'll even give my items or items of value to make up for scammed items.

If a player wants us to watch a trade to make sure he/she doesn't get scammed, we will watch to make sure.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by calani

I agree completely. Without staff helping the players when they feel wronged, they will leave and may never come back.

Exactly. I know that one time when I was starting kingdoms I got scammed out of 2 diamonds. I did not play for about a year and a half, after that.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

Rules of conduct:

...This 'caveat emptor' approach does not mean Scamming is legal, only that it is difficult to prove.....

Way to place it out of context:

"If Graal Police witness a scam directly they may punish the offending player."

And you are not Graal Police either.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Way to place it out of context:

"If Graal Police witness a scam directly they may punish the offending player."

And you are not Graal Police either.

You are so clever. You dont play the game, but you think you know all.
To let you know: I am beside Björn the highest staff on GK, with Admin rights, not only EM Admin. And we do not have aspecial GP on GK. Play the game and you maybe don't fail with your comments in the future.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

Play the game and you maybe don't fail with your comments in the future.

No sir, you failed with your comments.

First off, you're slow. Do you honestly think I ment that Graal Police comment seriously?

Second off, you did not adress my main point. You can only punish a player if you witness the scam directly.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

I am beside Björn the highest staff on GK, with Admin rights, not only EM Admin. And we do not have aspecial GP on GK. Play the game and you maybe don't fail with your comments in the future.

I've heard of others who play the game that your oh-so great powers are at certain moments restricted to the pub, that you suddenly can't speak English, and that you refuse to help them.

[Malinko]

Hm.

Okay, from recent hearings, I guess scamming is now illegal.

It was agreed on between Sam and I, already aprroved by Bjorn and Stefan.

So scamming is illegal.

No more argument?

EDIT: SORRY, I MADE A TYPO!

[Raziel]

Fix your typo on your post ^

Edit: Ok cool, fixed

REJOICE, PEOPLE! REJOICE!

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Malinko

So scamming is illegal.

It apparently always has been.

How is someone going to prove a scam?

[Lyndzey]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

It apparently always has been.

How is someone going to prove a scam?

Screenshots.

However, a couple people have come to me saying that they have been framed. I really don't see how a screenshot can prove whether or not a person scammed another person unless the guy says "haha i scammed you"

The only time I feel that an admin should ban a person for scamming is when the admin is moderating the trade. For the people that have been banned so far, this has not been the case.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Lyndzey

Screenshots.

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Images can be edited.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

It apparently always has been.

How is someone going to prove a scam?

Logs for great justice.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Googi

Logs for great justice.

How the hell are logs gone proof a scam?

I can give someone an item, and then say 'omg he scamd me, ban plz' and judging by Sam's... reactions it wouldn't be far from the truth if the ban occured.

[Lyndzey]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

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Images can be edited.

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Originally Posted by Lyndzey

However, a couple people have come to me saying that they have been framed

I understand that. That's why I'm not too thrilled about the idea of banning people for scamming unless an admin witnesses it.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

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Images can be edited.

And I, personally, can tell when images are editted
[EDIT] in the new mudlib system I imagine, if they give each trade a specific ID, you may be able to UNDO a trade (if you're an admin)[/EDIT]