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Old 04-28-2004, 01:47 AM
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I see no reason as to why some scripters and LATs can't just go to NPulse and EoA to help; if people would volunteer to help AFTER they got power then it proves they are only in it for the power.
not true, as I said earlier, some people just want recognition...

and besides, if I could have gotten scripting help for my server, do you think I'd bother giving it as an example? There isn't anyone to help my server with scripting... if this team were inacted, maybe they'd actually help. Just because some people are power hungry, doesn't mean everyone is...

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Um. Yea. I'm not even going to try to understand that logic. Do you really expect people in go on >100 servers and look at EVERYTHING? Most of them don't allow public access anyway.
that's pretty easy... all they have to do is check like 4 servers a day (wouldn't be that hard with 9 staff members), and assuming there were 200 servers, they'd be done in 50 days... like a month and a half. Also, I'm sure they could do more than 4 servers a day, especially on weekends. And I ment they would only check what areas are public... since what players can't see isn't as important.
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If our purpose was to do that, then sure, we would do that, but alas, we are not a team of script *****es
Isn;t that my whole point? Right now the GST and GGT do not help PWs adiquatly (sp?) with their development needs... if a PW needs help, they'd be lucky if a GST member does 1 script for them.... and that doesn't even help, because after that they are just left where they were before, exept with 1 more script o.o Obviously there is a strain on developers since you could buy your own PW, which is why I thought it would be nice to have an official team there to help with that problem. Also, what does the GST do? and GGT? if all you do is make stuff for GK, and maybe do a little helping on the side (dispite it not being your job) why are you GLOBAL, and not just GK staff?
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Go help the pw's on your own without the global part....99.9% sure it aint gonna happen
If people did that, we wouldn't be having this problem now would we?
would be nice if the problem solved itself, but I doubt it will...
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Old 04-28-2004, 02:13 AM
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'if this team were inacted, maybe they'd actually help"

You're missing my point. If you can't find anyone to help you, where would you find people for this team? People who just want power, doesn't it feel great to use deductive reasoning

"And I ment they would only check what areas are public... since what players can't see isn't as important"
Um, then that completely ruins the point of inspecting things if they are public; if they are public the public eye will see them far quicker than 1-2 people would

"Isn;t that my whole point? Right now the GST and GGT do not help PWs adiquatly (sp?) with their development needs"
Well, with some exceptions like someone quitting which can be understood, playerworlds shouldn't NEED help, why spend money on something you can't create with your own resources (resources being your skills and other staff members' skills)



"if all you do is make stuff for GK, and maybe do a little helping on the side (dispite it not being your job) why are you GLOBAL, and not just GK staff?"
Not sure about the other GST but most of the work I do is behind the scenes so I would say you should not make ANY assumptions about me
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Old 04-28-2004, 03:00 AM
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Old 04-28-2004, 03:22 AM
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I seem to be late, but whatever.
The idea is idealistic, meaning it would be nice but the practical implications of it are simply non-existant in Graal. The ratio of servers to good developers is outrageous, you can't expect one team of super-devs to fix a reasonably worthy amount of subject matter on the servers. As it stands now, you have the GST to help out on complex things, and GGT to do whatever it is they do. A GDT would just hash those two together and add some level people, which isn't really worth the trouble, as the PWA/GST members have already said. (yeah big woids, shutup)

Dunno where you guys got the idea that us big bad scripters see scripting as more important than any other dev area... Each area is just as important as the next, unbalancing them gives you interesting results which I see no need of relating right now...
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Old 04-28-2004, 03:34 AM
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You're missing my point. If you can't find anyone to help you, where would you find people for this team? People who just want power, doesn't it feel great to use deductive reasoning
I already answered this, try reading my whole post, instead of skimming, and re-stating your same argument... but anyways, as long as the people did work, it would help o.o
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Um, then that completely ruins the point of inspecting things if they are public; if they are public the public eye will see them far quicker than 1-2 people would
It's easier for someone to see if something is stolen, if they are spicifically looking for stolen material. The job of handling stolen material is being done now by 3, I don't think it's a streach of the imagination for 9 people to be able to do 3 times as much.
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Well, with some exceptions like someone quitting which can be understood, playerworlds shouldn't NEED help, why spend money on something you can't create with your own resources (resources being your skills and other staff members' skills)
Yes, people quit... I lost my main scripter... N-Pulse lost it's LAT's...
And I posted origionally saying that the GDT would do development projects for public PW's... and they would help private PW's rebuild their development teams, so they can be self sufficient.
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Not sure about the other GST but most of the work I do is behind the scenes so I would say you should not make ANY assumptions about me
I wasn't assuming anything, I was asking and if you refuse to answer, I can do nothing but assume...
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A GDT would just hash those two together and add some level people, which isn't really worth the trouble, as the PWA/GST members have already said.
No, the GGT, and GST don't even have to help PW's AT ALL. It would be nice to have a development team that PW managers could count on to answer their development questions, and if they need a little hlep, they could count on this team to guide them twards their goals...
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Old 04-28-2004, 06:39 AM
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Idealistic.

No one's going to do this for any reason besides a global RC or tag, content that will be produced will be halfass at best with out experence on the server.

Just another RC grab, I'm sorry.
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Old 04-28-2004, 06:44 AM
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No, the GGT, and GST don't even have to help PW's AT ALL. It would be nice to have a development team that PW managers could count on to answer their development questions, and if they need a little hlep, they could count on this team to guide them twards their goals...
...except Loriel, who helps people

I asked many GST members about something, the only one that responded was Loriel. The other DID look at the forum PM I sent, but didn't even bother to respond.

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Old 04-28-2004, 06:54 AM
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I only have one comment...

This is just so stupid... You are saying that GLT is stupid.. how many times do i have to say it... ITS THE SAME THING AS GGT AND GST..... THEY WOULD DO THE SAME THING....
I'm not saying we should have a GLT team, but if you think this is stupid, what the **** is GGT and GLT then???
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Old 04-28-2004, 07:37 AM
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Fine screw it. I don't recall asking for RC at all, I Don't want to be a retarded GST who think they are higher than everyone else and just idle on RCs what gives them publicity i.e Era.
We see Tseng idle there and he does nothing for era, and he is assistant manager wait, I recall him doing an illegal gun what kills in one, awww corruptness like nemesis

It's obvious you GST people don't want to be put to shame by this, well guess what. You allready are, How many servers have you helped without Stefan there? I mean only classic server you've helped is probably Zone

I'd thought this would be a great idea, but it's obvious you just won't accept it. I mean what's the point? GGT, GST, GLT Would of been great.

To me it sounds like you are classing the level makers as retards who have no meaning on graal. Cough* without us there wouldn't be servers like era or zone, o-wait i guess you didn't think about that?

And to get a staff job like everyone else? why in hell dosn't GST AND GGT DO THAT? I MEAN THEY ARE JUST LIKE US I GUESS. THEY DON'T NEED GLOBAL RC AND MOONGOD EVEN YOU STATED THAT.

Hahahaha, Such a wierd coincidence, Seems to me like if you don't make GDT looks like Moongods comment will cause some fury about GST (which I may add is correct)
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:22 PM
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ETD. N-Pulse has plenty of LAT help. Don't bring them into your arguments because all the scripters you have had bailed out on you.
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:23 PM
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ETD. N-Pulse has plenty of LAT help. Don't bring them into your arguments because all the scripters you have had bailed out on you.
Hrmm he isn't, GST promised they'd help and they didn't. Atleast if this team is formed he'll be getting some help
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:33 PM
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I think he only wants this team formed so he can get help, then if he gets none he'll start up with complaining about how they aren't helping him.

Angel and RObin did actually go to help him and we know those 2 are pretty friendly and will help people, except for RObin he kinda blew up in that other thread with ETD.
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ETD. N-Pulse has plenty of LAT help. Don't bring them into your arguments because all the scripters you have had bailed out on you.
I was thinking that, but wasnt 100% sure, so I didnt say anything...

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lol, isnt that the point for doing it?
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I think he only wants this team formed so he can get help, then if he gets none he'll start up with complaining about how they aren't helping him.
oh yea, so first I'm doing this to get more power, and now I'm doing this to get help on my PW? gesh, can't you just take it that I posted an idea for the betterment of graal, and not for some selfish reason? Is this what problems everyone has when they try to suggest something?

And about n-pulse, it was an EXAMPLE, and I said that, because JULI, the MANAGER of n-pulse has TOLD me that they are in need of LAT's.

PD, the only scripter that 'bailed' on me was you, so I don;t see why you say that.

And if you have to know, the GST did come on EoA, but did NOTHING. Angel came on, and wouldn;t watch RC long enough for me to explain even part of the storyline... finally I just gave her 3 scripts we needed fixed, and told her what we needed done, and she said she'd work on it that night.... the next day she came on RC, and I asked her, and she said she was too busy to even start the say before (which is ok) but then she went AFK and idled on RC for the day, then logged off, and never got on again o.o
Robin and I had a missunderstanding, because I asked him what he could do... he said a little graphics, but mostly scripting, and so I asked him to do a script which required you to make a simple template (the gfx don;t even have to be good), but he said no... so then I asked him to make another script, and again, he said no... so I finally asked him what HE wanted to script, since nothing I came up with he liked.... that seemed to make him mad, and he said something like "how am I supposed to script without rights?" and then I said something like "you'll get rights when you deside on what you're going to script" and then he blew up, and I kicked him off RC
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As for loriel... he's a nice guy, and he stayed on RC, listened to the theme, and all that... but when it came to actually doing work, he did NOTHING. I waited like a week, and he kept saying he forgot.... then he'd log on RC, then say he forgot he was on RC... then he finally asked me to remind him that he needed to help... I did so, but no luck

The only scripter out of the whole bunch which was able to actually help was Osrs... and he's not GST or anything.

Can you guys try to discuss the SUGGESTION instead of trying to discredit me? Even if I WAS saying this for a selfish reason, does that make it a bad idea right off the bat? no... so stop trying to attack me, and start discussing the idea please? If you don't like the idea, fine, everyone is free to their own opinion, but there's no reason to attack me for suggesting it.
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Lol I remember when R0bin was online xone... Now that was stupid...
He seem to missunderstand alot...
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