Servers being hacked || Quitting??

[draco5432]

If to globals go on aura and look, i set my own, and thebluedaggers IP range, yet on shifter i forgot to set it range, know why...cuz he didnt work on shifter.

Besides i did a total staff wipe one day when PS was gone, cuz nothing was getting done without the tileset.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by draco5432
If to globals go on aura and look, i set my own, and thebluedaggers IP range, yet on shifter i forgot to set it range, know why...cuz he didnt work on shifter.

Besides i did a total staff wipe one day when PS was gone, cuz nothing was getting done without the tileset.

So?

[Projectshifter]

Originally posted by Zurkiba
Backups are my friend... aren't they yours?

They are, but considering that I had no REASON... No one had NPC Acess other than R0bin and myself, and if R0bin had screwed up, that would be my fault, but I trust him and have known him for years... the whole thing was that serveroptions were changed which was the icing on the cake... the fact that the IP wasn't set was just a gateway. He shouldn't have even had NPC-Control, I need to check logs and find out WHEN he got this perhaps o_O? He still didn't have any weapon folders =x
---Shifter

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Tseng


I disagree. If some server wants help fixing them, or just decides that the people are trustworthy and should have that right in case something goes wrong, that is their decision.

I disagree with you, it's called security and has nothing to do with trust. No one has any business with serveroptions EXCEPT the Manager NOBODY else on the server should have those rights unless of course you don't care about having a secure server , then all means go ahead and be stupid , it's your server. You don't see this kind of thing happening on Npulse do you? It never has nor will it, why? Because Moonie and I are the only ones with serveroptions rights as it should be but ehh maybe we just care more about this issue than most do and take steps to prevent "little accidents" like these.:|

[Projectshifter]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
I disagree with you, it's called security and has nothing to do with trust. No one has any business with serveroptions EXCEPT the Manager NOBODY else on the server should have those rights unless of course you don't care about having a secure server , then all means go ahead and be stupid , it's your server. You don't see this kind of thing happening on Npulse do you? It never has nor will it, why? Because Moonie and I are the only ones with serveroptions rights as it should be but ehh maybe we just care more about this issue than most do and take steps to prevent "little accidents" like these.:|

I'm not trying to be mean... but do you see the staff the NPulse has? And how many players =/ Giving serveroptions isn't a bad thing, as long as you have a backup plan, which I have several, but considering I put too much trust, that was the downfall... I assumed that certain people could handle things... and that they would not overlook small but essential details
---Shifter

[superb]

Originally posted by Projectshifter

I'm not trying to be mean... but do you see the staff the NPulse has? And how many players =/ Giving serveroptions isn't a bad thing, as long as you have a backup plan, which I have several, but considering I put too much trust, that was the downfall... I assumed that certain people could handle things... and that they would not overlook small but essential details
---Shifter

Your main folly was not making a backup actually.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Projectshifter

I'm not trying to be mean... but do you see the staff the NPulse has? And how many players =/ Giving serveroptions isn't a bad thing, as long as you have a backup plan, which I have several, but considering I put too much trust, that was the downfall... I assumed that certain people could handle things... and that they would not overlook small but essential details
---Shifter

???
What is this suppose to mean? How does it make a difference how many staff or players there are?

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
I disagree with you, it's called security and has nothing to do with trust.

And I still disagree. Trust and Security are very closely interconnected. If you run a business, would you hire a security guard that you did not feel you could trust? No, becuase it would be just asking for your security to be breached.

No one has any business with serveroptions EXCEPT the Manager NOBODY else on the server should have those rights unless of course you don't care about having a secure server , then all means go ahead and be stupid , it's your server.

Incorrect - if there is a problem with the server options, and the manager asks the global scripting-team member (or even some other staff member who is trustworthy not to ruin things) to fix it, then they have some business having the rights.

You don't see this kind of thing happening on Npulse do you?

No, you don't. Your general lack of staff is in large part responsible for this - if you don't have many staff, there aren't many staff to go wrong with whatever rights they are given.

It never has nor will it, why? Because Moonie and I are the only ones with serveroptions rights as it should be but ehh maybe we just care more about this issue than most do and take steps to prevent "little accidents" like these.:|

For another, these problems are not so much a matter of 'giving the right out' as it is 'giving the right out to the wrong person'. There is nothing objectively wrong with giving the right to people who are trustworthy who can use it to help. And, on these new pay servers, where everyone and their brothers have rights and problems occur frequently, don't you think it's a good idea for one of those people with rights to be someone who is a) knowledgable, b) trustworthy, and c) whose account cannot be directly disabled from the server itself, who can log on and repair things when problems like this exist?

[SilentSkripter1988]

Solution: Get a paintball and shoot people!!!!!

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Tseng
if there is a problem with the server options, and the manager asks the global scripting-team member (or even some other staff member who is trustworthy not to ruin things) to fix it, then they have some business having the rights.

I don't think myself and MG disagree with that part, however the "just in case something happens" senario is complete BS. There are global admins on graal who have server options on every world in case "something happens"... Nobody needs trusted backup staff to do it, that's ridiculous.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan


I don't think myself and MG disagree with that part, however the "just in case something happens" senario is complete BS. There are global admins on graal who have server options on every world in case "something happens"... Nobody needs trusted backup staff to do it, that's ridiculous.

Whoa, dude, it's not like I go around asking for that. I just said I thought it was a good idea. There's a difference between the two. With some of these servers giving out rights to every tom, (er, Richard), and harry, it is increasing the chances something will go wrong and their server will get 'hacked'. You are telling me that it would not help for one of those people having the rights to be a trustworthy person who already has RC access there, and that is objectively false. And, Lyndzey and Tyhm aren't always there. In fact, Sobek Online is still waiting to be fixed, and it's been what, 3, 4 days? That's a perfect example right there.

[Darlene159]

Tseng, in most cases, you dont know who you can trust and who you cannot. We have had a few staff members who have been on Npulse like forever, were well known, and not troublemakers...they became staff, moved up the ladder, then did some stupid stuff (one, a gp captain or something who reset a bunch of accounts) I fail to see why anyone would need server option rights...you keep saying Npulse dont have alot of staff. So?
Even if we had a large amount of staff and players, we would do things the same way. We do things in a way to protect Npulse as much as we can, I dont see where that is wrong.

It is simple, giving people server option rights is not needed, period. If a problem arises, and it is needed to give a global scripter or whatever the rights in order to fix it, then we can easily do that, and remove it right after. What is the big deal?

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Tseng


And I still disagree. Trust and Security are very closely interconnected. If you run a business, would you hire a security guard that you did not feel you could trust? No, becuase it would be just asking for your security to be breached.

If they are not trusted their not Staff to begin with. But that has nothing to do with the security of the server. The higher up you are the bigger the target for hackers and script kiddies so you limit the chances of a problem here. You have aceptible limits of libility and those that are not , limiting the people who have serveroptions rights to a very few is acceptible; giving them to the high profile Globals are not because they are even bigger targets.

Incorrect - if there is a problem with the server options, and the manager asks the global scripting-team member (or even some other staff member who is trustworthy not to ruin things) to fix it, then they have some business having the rights.

Then you make arrangements for both of you to be there to "fix" the problem , giving out those rights is not the right way to fix an issue.

No, you don't. Your general lack of staff is in large part responsible for this - if you don't have many staff, there aren't many staff to go wrong with whatever rights they are given.

Wrong, we have had Npulse when it was on the top of the Player list so this "theory" doesn't hold water. The amount of Staff or players has no correlation to how a server is managed as to rights of Staff either local or Global. We have plenty of GPs which are the ones who control the gameplay as to the Game rules. What we have is a lack of those who develop the server not run it. (Gats, Nats, Lats)

For another, these problems are not so much a matter of 'giving the right out' as it is 'giving the right out to the wrong person'. There is nothing objectively wrong with giving the right to people who are trustworthy who can use it to help. And, on these new pay servers, where everyone and their brothers have rights and problems occur frequently, don't you think it's a good idea for one of those people with rights to be someone who is a) knowledgable, b) trustworthy, and c) whose account cannot be directly disabled from the server itself, who can log on and repair things when problems like this exist?

Again no I don't agree with this kind of lame thinking , this are isolated occurances because of those who do not make their server secure but giving out to many rights. If you create your own problem by doing this then you have to pay the price of waiting for days or even a week or more to get it fixed. You don't fix the barn door after the animals are already out you fix the problem before it has a chance to occur. Like I said before Globals are bigger targets than Managers and the best way to get at a server is by attacking a person who has the rights to do the most damage to a server. A person may only want to hurt one server but once they are able to access this "Global" then the idea may come " hey lets go on all servers which he has access to alot on " and not only damage one but many. Sorry but this is not an acceptible risk to me or Moonie and why we do what we do and deny serveroptions to Globals. If they are high enough then they already have those rights globally and that is not anything I have control over so that is an acceptible risk. It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not but our track record with Npulse speaks for itself, it is one of the most secure if not the most secure server online ( 2 1/2 years) and it is by no accident it's that way.


Added note: Why make it easier for people doing stupid things to get them fixed? This does not address the problem but perpetuates the issues by letting them exist. Address the root of the problem and fix that don't add to it by letting the problem continue.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
If they are not trusted their not Staff to begin with.

look, the reason WHY you don't have a lot of staff
=o
I told you this over a year ago, when I was still a staff member... you do not trust your staff enough, and because of that, they quit, and do corrupt things... i mean, why keep being good, when no matter what you do, you are never trusted? I think much of n-pulse's past staff quit because of your lack of trust in them (NOT because they are power hungry, or whatever you try to blame it on)

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Wrong, we have had Npulse when it was on the top of the Player list

this is off topic, BUT, what ever happened to you saying that Geo killed n-pulse? i mean, if YOU had n-pulse when it was at the top, then evidently, it wasn't Geo who did it, so why not stop passing the blame onto him, and admitt that n-pulse's decline has been during your management... it's gone from best, to worst all while you were manager, you have just proven that.

Originally posted by Milkdude99
The amount of Staff or players has no correlation to how a server is managed as to rights of Staff either local or Global. We have plenty of GPs which are the ones who control the gameplay as to the Game rules. What we have is a lack of those who develop the server not run it. (Gats, Nats, Lats)

He ment that, if you do not have a lot of players/staff, then the CHANCES of something happen are MUCH lower... and by you saying that you lack developmental staff is only aiding his argument, since those are the ones with the most RC rights. (obviously besides admins and cheif's)... i mean, what can a corrupt FAQ do? lol, just mass things? or a corrupt ET? take money from the ET bank before quitting? most do that anyways...

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Again no I don't agree with this kind of lame thinking

is name calling needed here? i really love how you like to slip little insults into your arguments, then try to pass it off as not flaming
-_-

[Darlene159]

ETD, why are you bringing your personal crap here when people are having a discussion? added note: Moon god didnt call anyone any names, unless "lame thinking" is a name you usually call a person. Dont make this personal, it is a discussion on why people shouldnt or should be allowed to have server option rights...it isnt about Npulse alone.