Graal Kingdoms Economy

[seanthien]

I really don't want to bother reading, but if you ask me, script is fed up with the way things are and is complaining about his lost items. You want a solution, go develop a dungeon, baddies, and items to be released that can make up for other items. Problem is if you ask me, there isn't enough variety in GK. Most people do melee, most people aim for rows, and than all that ****. Only the few with the rares around gk can be diverse, and even then it's still pretty much the same thing in a way.

[Darklux]

Bad idea.
Just event new items out. They could be unbanned at a point of time, I don't think youd like to see your items removed?

[mattdapimp]

If you want to find out ways to help the economy on GK, you need to ask the poor people. Taking ideas and suggestions from a rich player can be somewhat useful, but for the most part THEY ARE RICH. They don't know nothing about how hard it is to obtain even fairly decent gear. I got plenty of ideas to help the economy on GK, but I'm not even going to discuss them on this thread. I'd be wasting my time in doing so. I will say reducing the value of diamonds to 250 plat each DOESN'T HELP anything. Just one suggestion i had to Tig, was if you want platinum to be the top currency make the value of diamonds to the NPC the same as it is to players. 500 plat per diamond to the NPC would take a HUGE chunk of the diamond population right out of the game. I've only seen two things happen so far, since the 2 player economy fixers have lowered the value of diamonds. A: People buying diamonds with plat, B: People are buying plat with diamonds. This is nothing but beating around the bush. There are going to have to be much more drastic changes to fix the economy on GK. Making diamonds worth less platinum is not one of them, in fact is only going to make things worse.

[DustyPorViva]

Q: Hello, Poor Bum, what do you think of the economy?
A: I ain't got no money!

[mattdapimp]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Q: Hello, Poor Bum, what do you think of the economy?
A: I ain't got no money!

Yeah and all you are is a troll. I have money, but I'm not no rich bastard on the server that doesn't have to do anything to get what they want. And weather anybody wants to agree or not, from what I've seen the current GK currency is USD. Don't even try to argue.

[Deas_Voice]

i have to agree with matt, making diamonds worth 250 plats is just making the economy even worse!

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by mattdapimp

Yeah and all you are is a troll. I have money, but I'm not no rich bastard on the server that doesn't have to do anything to get what they want. And weather anybody wants to agree or not, from what I've seen the current GK currency is USD. Don't even try to argue.

Usd is so rare nowadays, what smart one wants to spend money on a half-dead server. Currency is rares. Also, if you have such genius ideas and yet fail to express them among players you really shouldn't even bother, because then you're at fault for it.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by mattdapimp

Yeah and all you are is a troll. I have money, but I'm not no rich bastard on the server that doesn't have to do anything to get what they want. And weather anybody wants to agree or not, from what I've seen the current GK currency is USD. Don't even try to argue.

Hmmmm, someone can't take a joke!

[mattdapimp]

Well if the GK economy is a joke to you, then fine it's a joke to me as well. Lets pretend everything's fine, like people have for the past 2+ years. As for USDing, you don't see or hear of it much cause yeah YOU GET BANNED. So it might seem rare to you, but only god knows what's going on. I also agree with you Sean, rares are a HUGE part of the economy at this present time. Most of witch lie in the hands of already very wealthy people.

As far as ideas, a few could be as a stated above in my other post having the diamond NPC value 500 plat. New content such as new dungeons that people can go to and farm like HHW/HHE is. And actually implement some useful items that drop there. Of course we don't want them to be very common, but some newer items that can be obtained by people that don't have these "rares" you speak of. Then maybe even middle class / lower end of the totem pole people can get their hands in the cookie jar to get other useful items they may need. Even in the present dungeons, the value on drops could be increased making farming more worth while instead of just using alchemy on all the drops.

No matter what you do, unless you permanently remove diamonds from the server they are always going to be a form of currency. So if you don't want them to be the main currency, just have them being able to be sold to the vendor as another type of DoPV. All lowering the value of diamonds is going to do for the economy, is make it twice as hard to obtain items you need (WITH PLAT)

For example, 1 RoW to the best of my knowledge was around 4k Diamonds when they were the main currency. Which is 2 million plat. Leon had mentioned he'd sell a RoW for about 1.5-2m plat. Now if the diamonds value stay at 250 plat each, you're going to have to work twice as hard to obtain that RoW. Not saying all your plat is going to come from diamonds, but this is just a rough estimate of how things would work.

[seanthien]

Sorry to say, I've never heard of a row being 4k diamonds in the past. Also, please, PLEASE, use paragraphs. That big chunky wordy piece of..words, hurts me eyes. Also, GK is a small community compared to most MMORPGs, most anything that goes on is known, like USD. Someone if not most everyone knows each other, they know each others items. You'd only USD valuables, if you all of a sudden obtained some, well, yeah, self-explainatory. migranes. joy.

[mattdapimp]

Well to be honest before Satain was banned i would always be on vent with him just chilling, and he was the USD KING. He told me quite a few people who are USDers. I'm not going to mention any names, but believe what you want. As far as some of the ideas i have mentioned, i think they'd work out. I wouldn't mind helping with any LAT work if Tig has any interest in this.

[seanthien]

Originally Posted by mattdapimp

Well to be honest before Satain was banned i would always be on vent with him just chilling, and he was the USD KING. He told me quite a few people who are USDers. I'm not going to mention any names, but believe what you want. As far as some of the ideas i have mentioned, i think they'd work out. I wouldn't mind helping with any LAT work if Tig has any interest in this.

I know people who did it too, it's not even close to being on par to what it used to be.
What are your ideas? I failed to get them because everything was a chunk of words.

[Imperialistic]

I think this idea might over populate the items in the economy and make them worthless, some people are permanetly banned until prooved otherwise meaning, the perm. ban CAN be revoked if permitted enough proof saying otherwise, but thats a issue with Global Staff and shouldn't be discussed here.

[mattdapimp]

Originally Posted by seanthien

I know people who did it too, it's not even close to being on par to what it used to be.
What are your ideas? I failed to get them because everything was a chunk of words.

Umm.. if you couldn't read it at all no matter how "chunked" up it is, have someone translate. Better yet, I'll edit the post just for you. Also i find it odd, you didn't read the ideas when you know about the first part, and last part.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by mattdapimp

Well if the GK economy is a joke to you, then fine it's a joke to me as well. Lets pretend everything's fine, like people have for the past 2+ years. As for USDing, you don't see or hear of it much cause yeah YOU GET BANNED. So it might seem rare to you, but only god knows what's going on. I also agree with you Sean, rares are a HUGE part of the economy at this present time. Most of witch lie in the hands of already very wealthy people. As far as ideas, a few could be as a stated above in my other post having the diamond NPC value 500 plat. New content such as new dungeons that people can go to and farm like HHW/HHE is. And actually implement some useful items that drop there. Of course we don't want them to be very common, but some newer items that can be obtained by people that don't have these "rares" you speak of. Then maybe even middle class / lower end of the totem pole people can get their hands in the cookie jar to get other useful items they may need. Even in the present dungeons, the value on drops could be increased making farming more worth while instead of just using alchemy on all the drops. No matter what you do, unless you permanently remove diamonds from the server they are always going to be a form of currency. So if you don't want them to be the main currency, just have them being able to be sold to the vendor as another type of DoPV. All lowering the value of diamonds is going to do for the economy, is make it twice as hard to obtain items you need (WITH PLAT) For example, 1 RoW to the best of my knowledge was around 4k Diamonds when they were the main currency. Which is 2 million plat. Leon had mentioned he'd sell a RoW for about 1.5-2m plat. Now if the diamonds value stay at 250 plat each, you're going to have to work twice as hard to obtain that RoW. Not saying all your plat is going to come from diamonds, but this is just a rough estimate of how things would work.

USDing reflects a healthy game. Kingdoms is very poorly so there might be a few usders around, it's hard to prove they dont exist, but there are certainly not enough around actively usding for it to even be worth mentioning.

Also you need to learn one thing. Diamonds are, and were never a true currency. Therefore all they were was a substitute for plat and an investment. You would sell your items for dias because you felt secure those diamonds would sell for 500plat and it's not as if nobody need's plat. Diamonds have much less use than plat. They're only for prepping weapons, something people are going to be doing FAR less often now that IWD's are very hard to come by. Lowering the price of diamonds won't really change anything, all it means is that people will be trading diamonds less, and plat more. Noob's should be almost unaffected unless they were geared heavily in diamonds. Buy dests for 100plat per (real value to plat) and sell the proceeds for platinum instead of diamonds. Tig is attempting to make currency weightless which would shift things completely. Diamonds wouldn't even be used as a currency were coins weightless from the beginning.

Rare's should not be a 'HUGE part of the economy' as they currently are. The problem isn't that they are rare imo, it's that they're otherwise unobtainable. There's no quick fix for the economy, it's a problem that was obvious long ago but nothing has been done to 'patch' it up.