Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Hiring more lackluster staff is going to make things worse, which is all they seem to be doing.

I'm sick and tired of you and your friends slandering development staff who you see fit not into your eyes. Or actually anyone who gives their honest effort into helping Classic. You want Classic to release content, but for anybody to step up to the plate, that isn't 'quality' to your eyes, you make public and private insults at them, when they have not even released anything yet.(Or for recent cases, have only had their RC for 5 minutes). I've told the same thing to Luda when he decided to be a douchebag to me. Graal was made upon the basis of player-created content. Nothing has to be picture perfect, but with the right idea and effort is what's needed. The greatly wanted old levels didn't have the best designs to them when I looked through them, but I will assume that it was the gameplay which was more over appreciated.

You make your accusations off of unfinished content that is not supposed to be shown to non staff members, which imposes Staff transgressions.

If you want to help, I suggest shutting up. Maybe things might get released faster that way. I don't care if I am staff and telling you this. The people you call quality are the most disrespectful people ever. You actually used to not be an ass before.

I'm not here to argue, nor will I probably reply back, but I don't understand why you continue to play Classic if this is how you feel about current and future development. I've always wondered this in fact.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Originally Posted by Rufus

This is what has got Classic in the mess that it is currently in. Rush to fill in the content void, blame the fact that it's Classic for the lack of quality, and worry about the stigma attached to that content later. It is such a poor and amateur way of developing, and that is not what Classic needs at all.

Originally Posted by Rufus

So, to return to the point I'm trying to make here; In a server revival quality is paramount, especially if the content is not particularly unique. Content shouldn't be released for the sake of having content. Release content for the sake of being a better server. Classic is up to the point now where most of the game mechanics and game lore is offered elsewhere, and at a greater quality to boot, so if they're going to add a similar feature to Classic they need to go all the way with it or not put it in at all. First impressions are everything, and as this current playerbase isn't all too familiar with the old content, most of the re-releases are new releases. Players are not going to feel the same sense of joy, hype, gratitude, fondness (and all those other positive feelings you get when you play on a decent game you've been waiting for) to a "better" re-release of a re-release further down the line, so these initial releases need to be of quality. More importantly we need longevity in content, so a delay in a release is totally worth it as long as the product has a more professional finish to it when it finally does release.

I didn't even need to write out a reply. This is a server revival and what I outlined in my quoted text has a heightened effect with increased hirings of scrubby and talentless staff. Good luck getting real developers to work alongside that.. y'know.. the level of skill that Classic actually needs for a revival. There isn't much time left for this either.

[Luda]

[Nelm]

I think the problem is less of Classic hiring "scrubby and talentless" staff and more of the talented developers not stepping up and working for Classic. This could be for multiple reasons, but if they're hiring "scrubs", they're obviously desperate for help. So where are the "talented developers"?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Nelm

I think the problem is less of Classic hiring "scrubby and talentless" staff and more of the talented developers not stepping up and working for Classic.

Would you work on a server if you believed that you were pulling the team? Would you work on a server if you knew that the content that the other developers were making would need to be remade? Would you work on a server if you knew that the release of content that the crappy developers were making was punching its reputation further into the ground? How about working on a server where you feel you're working by yourself? Doesn't seem like a very nice setting to me.

Originally Posted by Nelm

This could be for multiple reasons, but if they're hiring "scrubs", they're obviously desperate for help. So where are the "talented developers"?

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...3&postcount=11

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Rufus

opinion

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Yes, because everything you wrote was made of facts right?

[Nelm]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Would you work on a server if you believed that you were pulling the team? Would you work on a server if you knew that the content that the other developers were making would need to be remade? Would you work on a server if you knew that the release of content that the crappy developers were making was punching its reputation further into the ground? How about working on a server where you feel you're working by yourself? Doesn't seem like a very nice setting to me.

I don't get it. SOMEONE has to step up and be the person to break the cycle. I WOULD work if I felt I was pulling the team. I WOULD remake content that needed to be remade. However, if I were in this position, I would be doing my best to help the other Devs so that this wasn't an issue. I WOULD be the person trying to turn the ship around instead of being a person standing by watching it sink. If I had to work or feel like I'm by myself, I would do it.

Sometimes you have to put yourself aside and if you care about something as much as all these people who are complaining about Classic are, why is NO ONE willing to be the person responsible for turning this around? How is anything going to change if no one is willing to put the effort, and be a consistent positive influence in development?

I'm not pointing anyone out here, but someone has to be willing to step up who is fed up with all this. Otherwise, we'll be in this thread debating what SHOULD be done with Classic in 5 years.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...3&postcount=11

Good post and info there. But it still doesn't change the fact that the cycle needs to be broken.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Nelm

I WOULD work if I felt I was pulling the team.

One look at the complete lack of organization and thought put into the systems and you'll soon realize that it is simply NOT worth the effort. Rebuilding them is a possibility, but you can't do that when Storm is supposedly doing that himself. You'll just be making something that might (probably won't*) get replaced, potentially wasting your time. This, among some personal reasons, is why I haven't been doing it already.

[DutchGuy]

I always knew that Classic's Highlight would be Classics downfall.

[MysticX2X]

I've always said everything strongly depends on the eye of the beholder. I would also believe no 'quality' developers come to Classic because it's not as popular as the other servers and hasn't been for years, and that there isn't many benefits for graal developing.

Well said, Nelm.

edit:I also have to add that it's insulting to fix someone else's work to what you think of 'quality' without their consent. If the work isn't of expectations, it won't be used. That's not hard to understand.

[Nelm]

So the question has to be asked, "Why did the PWA not feel the need to replace Storm?"

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Nelm

So the question has to be asked, "Why did the PWA not feel the need to replace Storm?"

Maybe they did. The problem is that any alternative is questionably better. I guess taking that chance might have been worth it though.

[Nelm]

Well, I'm not sure that the results could be much worse. However, this is not a 'Fire Storm' thread, so I'll leave this conversation for a different time.

[Tyhm]

Because scripting communications between serverside and clientside scripting is a pain in the butt, and few other people want to do it.

Heh. Here's a thought -
Whoever can throw together a system that works better (even on the test server), I'll throw my weight behind them for replacing Storm.