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[GryffonDurime]

Honestly, I don't see NPC-run Kingdoms functioning well. You act as though any human player is inherintly corrupt. To which, the only counter-argument I need is to say that most hallowed name "Aftershock".

Lance's 2k1, or 2k1 Prime, won't FORCE people to Roleplay. It will FORCE Kingdom-members to roleplay. Those that don't wish to Roleplay are represented on our staff list; we are developing content for them along with the Kingdoms. Those who do wish to Roleplay will be able to do so in a well-established enviornment, and judging by the currently planned roster, they will be able to roleplay under the supervision of very competant monarchs.

So many underestimate the functions of the Kings back on 2k1; they were the best examples of roleplaying their kingdom could offer, for the most part. 2K2, which valued the game mechanics an NPC system would get all tingly at, led us to some rather incompetant kings. If you want to talk about repeating past mistakes, I'd start with gaining power through a means besides Roleplaying rather than gaining power THROUGH roleplaying.

See all y'all when the Kingdom gates swing or sink open for the first time

[protagonist]

I'd rather see kingdoms run by humans. I don't think the kingdoms need reworked at all.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by protagonist

I'd rather see kingdoms run by humans. I don't think the kingdoms need reworked at all.

But I'm confused. You said there was no such thing as negative progress, and that any change would be for the better.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Lance

But I'm confused. You said there was no such thing as negative progress, and that any change would be for the better.

Lance, when a former detractor compliments you, it's usually better not to try and stab them in the foot.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

Lance, when a former detractor compliments you, it's usually better not to try and stab them in the foot.

It wasn't a 'stab'. Believe it or not, that post was designed to stimulate some thought and perhaps even receive an answer. After all, it's tough to figure out what people really mean when they say mutually contradictory stuff.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Lance

But I'm confused. You said there was no such thing as negative progress, and that any change would be for the better.

I didn't say that Koni's version would fail, I simply said that it wouldn't be something that I would be enthusiastic about. His 2k1 option would still be superior as long as you continue to be lazy and leave it UC, where it will never go anywhere.

[Waltz5]

Up to this point I loved Koni's 2k1 ideas and progress 10-fold... but after hearing his intial kingdom ideas, namely the NPC king idea, I am rather turned off and quite dissapointed.

Not only that, Lance has Gryffon with him, and with that a huge advantage in the kingdoms category.

[Scott]

I'm torn between helping Koni or Lance and Jordan. ;\

[draygin]

Man you need to clean out your mail box Scott that or get on Aim more. :P

At any rate I'm helping Lance although we've really butted heads in the past the only thing in Graal that really interests me is RPing and NPC leaders just really isn't my bran.

It's nice to see you know us so well you can instantly tell what we have experienced and our reasons for not liking npc kings.
While I have not RP'd on Graal with NPC Kings I have in many other games such as Neverwinter Nights. By far and large the better experiences where always on those servers that had player controlled Kingdoms.
Now while I don't like the idea of having preset Kingdoms and then recruiting leaders. I much prefer people comming up with kingdoms RPing as small groups and building support and by then building up into a Kingdom. I still absolutely hate the idea of NPC lead Kingdoms. I could go on listing examples and reasons for why but it's clear you know more about my experiences and how things work not to mention what I actually enjoy even more than I do so I really don't see the need.

[Brad]

popularity contests rule

[Googi]

This is almost as bad as your idea to get rid of playable Bomys.

[kenyonandelliot]

Originally Posted by Googi

This is almost as bad as your idea to get rid of playable Bomys.

no not the bomy's!

[Amagius]

Whoever can churn out a server that is interesting, fun, and has the atmosphere for roleplaying that Graal 2001 has my vote. I have no clue what either person has done, and neither does anyone besides the owners and perhaps a few other people.

[protagonist]

I have no problem with Koni's ideas and a new tilesets, etc. He just has to be more tolerant that some people are going to want to keep 2k1 the same and he has to work to please those people too. He's acting too much like Lance with the "you guys have no clue what you're talking about" thing. Enlighten us, Koni; don't patronize us. We've all had to deal with that too much already.

[konidias]

When you come up with an idea that you think is good and then people flat out reject it without even giving it a chance... it doesn't make you want to be very open to what THEY have to say.

I really don't thing arguing about it is going to matter right now. I shouldn't have said anything at all. When it is released you can either play it or not play it.

I'm just kind of tired of people claiming I'm being egotistical or selfish because I refuse to work with Lance. I don't want to work with him, it would not be fun and I would not enjoy it, therefore I don't do it. I'm already investing my time and effort into this project, I'm sure as heck not going to do it if I'm not enjoying it.