Who harasses who...?

[DevilsDice]

What else would you like her to do while they are fighting?

Begin cheerleading? Or perhaps begin writing the newest novel on, those two fighting... There wasnt much to do besides watch

[GoldSri]

Toran...the victim hahaha

it looks like he is twisting what they have said to make them look bad and him the innocent victim

if they were "harrasing" you toran..what goes around ccomes around and you are getting back what you have dished out

[Googi]

Originally posted by GoldSri
if they were "harrasing" you toran..what goes around ccomes around and you are getting back what you have dished out

Except it's hard to call what she's doing harrassment more than just acting like a *****.

[Muha_builder]

:grrr:

[DevilsDice]

:grrr:

True words of knowledge....

[serenityjones]

Why is it that toran is involved in everything that is disruptive to both the forums and graal. For the last few weeks the focal point of all this disharmony seems to be toran . Toran this , toran that,
toran wants g2k2 reset, toran accuses Zoe. Toran apparently revels in the spotlight and is only happy when making others unhappy . All this aparently followed because toran wanted something someone else had and couldnt take no for an answer
so he got brad ,amoun and a few others from forest to harrass a person (s) till he got it. Now I don't know if there is a rule against a person disrupting peoples fun and enjoyment of graal and maybe there should be . As far as I am concerned Toran doesn't belong anywhere on graal

[Python523]

The problem here isn't just that Toran has harassed people, if that was the only problem then this would be a one sided arguement. You people need to realize, retaliating by harassing back isn't going to help your situation, I consider both sides here victums. Example: I'm in the trade house, Toran walks in, Tec chases him for the best of 10-15 minutes, Tec also chased Torankusu into his own maps and prevented him from leveling, I could really care less on which offense is more extreme than another, both sides are at fault here. I don't care if he commited CC fraud in real life or not, that has nothing to do with the situation in the game, if I shoplifted, got caught, and got punished, that doesn't mean I'm going to get banned in a game I play because of it. Also, please don't tell me 'Well Toran could go on peaceful to avoid getting PKed by Tec" because my answer to that will be "Well Zoe, Wren, and whoever else can go to a playerhouse so they don't have to see him, or just simply ignore him."

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by serenityjones
[B]
couldnt take no for an answer
so he got brad ,amoun and a few others from forest to harrass a person (s) till he got it. B]

Uhm..what makes you think I ASKED them to harass you? MAYBE you guys actually DO THINGS to MAKE people NOT LIKE YOU. You're not perfect you know, and you're probably about as moralistic as Inuyasha and Kenshin.

[foxyrain]

Originally posted by Python523
The problem here isn't just that Toran has harassed people, if that was the only problem then this would be a one sided arguement. You people need to realize, retaliating by harassing back isn't going to help your situation, I consider both sides here victums. Example: I'm in the trade house, Toran walks in, Tec chases him for the best of 10-15 minutes, Tec also chased Torankusu into his own maps and prevented him from leveling, I could really care less on which offense is more extreme than another, both sides are at fault here. I don't care if he commited CC fraud in real life or not, that has nothing to do with the situation in the game, if I shoplifted, got caught, and got punished, that doesn't mean I'm going to get banned in a game I play because of it. Also, please don't tell me 'Well Toran could go on peaceful to avoid getting PKed by Tec" because my answer to that will be "Well Zoe, Wren, and whoever else can go to a playerhouse so they don't have to see him, or just simply ignore him."

Excellent thought if only in principle. He has been on our ignore list for sometime now...now if only there was a way to become invisible to him.

As to Tec...he is gone now Jagen.

Zoe

[DevilsDice]

The problem here isn't just that Toran has harassed people, if that was the only problem then this would be a one sided arguement. You people need to realize, retaliating by harassing back isn't going to help your situation, I consider both sides here victums. Example: I'm in the trade house, Toran walks in, Tec chases him for the best of 10-15 minutes, Tec also chased Torankusu into his own maps and prevented him from leveling, I could really care less on which offense is more extreme than another, both sides are at fault here. I don't care if he commited CC fraud in real life or not, that has nothing to do with the situation in the game, if I shoplifted, got caught, and got punished, that doesn't mean I'm going to get banned in a game I play because of it. Also, please don't tell me 'Well Toran could go on peaceful to avoid getting PKed by Tec" because my answer to that will be "Well Zoe, Wren, and whoever else can go to a playerhouse so they don't have to see him, or just simply ignore him."

Wow... Im so thankful one staff member has the brains to see IRL problems / situations should not affect a ingame situation, in the least...

Thanks Jagen, maybe somebody will actually listen now, and not go to saying, "Well you commited CC fraud" or some **** like that...

[foxyrain]

"!! anU stole his shoes. (8/24/2003 5:31:33 PM):
Mass message:
hey jim i have so many stolen credit cards i could make myself a fake plastic
girlfriend worth billions.
!! anU stole his shoes. (8/24/2003 5:30:57 PM):
Mass message:
stealing your credit cards, PM me for info.
!! anU stole his shoes. (8/24/2003 5:29:51 PM):
Mass message:
i have a pusy thx i call her mom."

"anU stole his shoes" is Toran. I have a screen shot to prove if needed, thankyou. I took toran off ignore when I heard through other masses that a battle was apparent. Yes, I must admit, curiousity got me.

This is just a few of the many remarks that finally ended by someone asking a stop to it because of children being on graal. This was in mass message.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by foxyrain
"!! anU stole his shoes. (8/24/2003 5:31:33 PM):
Mass message:
hey jim i have so many stolen credit cards i could make myself a fake plastic
girlfriend worth billions.
!! anU stole his shoes. (8/24/2003 5:30:57 PM):
Mass message:
stealing your credit cards, PM me for info.
!! anU stole his shoes. (8/24/2003 5:29:51 PM):
Mass message:
i have a pusy thx i call her mom."

"anU stole his shoes" is Toran. I have a screen shot to prove if needed, thankyou. I took toran off ignore when I heard through other masses that a battle was apparent. Yes, I must admit, curiousity got me.

This is just a few of the many remarks that finally ended by someone asking a stop to it because of children being on graal. This was in mass message.

zoe that's funny. What's your point?

[DevilsDice]

As if that arguement once again has any relative factors to what has been going on with you all.

It is a totally different arguement, and notice the sarcaism as he states he could buy a [some] plastic dolls...

You are simply using every thing you can to favor this fight in your side, as if it wont since Toran is the all so hated...

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by Python523
The problem here isn't just that Toran has harassed people, if that was the only problem then this would be a one sided arguement. You people need to realize, retaliating by harassing back isn't going to help your situation, I consider both sides here victums. Example: I'm in the trade house, Toran walks in, Tec chases him for the best of 10-15 minutes, Tec also chased Torankusu into his own maps and prevented him from leveling, I could really care less on which offense is more extreme than another, both sides are at fault here. I don't care if he commited CC fraud in real life or not, that has nothing to do with the situation in the game, if I shoplifted, got caught, and got punished, that doesn't mean I'm going to get banned in a game I play because of it. Also, please don't tell me 'Well Toran could go on peaceful to avoid getting PKed by Tec" because my answer to that will be "Well Zoe, Wren, and whoever else can go to a playerhouse so they don't have to see him, or just simply ignore him."

I think you are trying to find a middle ground simply because both sides are polarized, but that doesn't mean the middle is 'right'.

I had spoken with tec, we had agreed to let toran and his friends do whatever they want, that we were going to just have fun ourselves and Tec would stop punishing Toran for his misdeeds.

The next day, Toran and his friends hounded him all day until he left graal for good, then they moved on to Zoe and Wren.

I ask you, if toran is a victim here, why would he seek out to go to Dustari (those are not screen shots of forest you know) and wear a tag that says 'INVADING DUSTARI' knowing full well that the very people he claims are harrassing him are going to show up to stop him?

Just think about that for a good minute or two....of all the things these two characters (Toran, DevilsDice) could be doing, they go to our kingdom, with invasion tags, harrass our members, then cry foul?

I want to ask you very simply, is this something that harrassed victims do when they want to be left alone?

I have to say.....I think not.



As to the CC fraud, it was against a player here in GK, and as he was crying about being the victim of baseless acusations when it turned out he was lying and had ripped people off, I think it warrents being mentioned.

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by Torankusu
zoe that's funny. What's your point?

If you ask me (as I am sure you would....likely not) the point is that you continue to be vulgar and rude and rather repugnent.

If you can't see the point, you are once again ignoring the obvious so you can feel like you just can't understand why people get so bothered by you. What's everyone's problem??


If you saw me saying something like that you'd be whining in a heart beat and you know it.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by busyrobot

The next day, Toran and his friends hounded him all day until he left graal for good, then they moved on to Zoe and Wren.

wow, that's funny because Tecumseh quit because "staff are making me quit other then that ban me which is worse."

[DragonX]

I set my nick to 'invading <kingdom>' when I goto any kingdom island, simply because I am bored and it's fun. Then I get PMs asking 'Why are you invading' or threats saying 'Don't you dare, I will send my best men after you' yada yada lol then I just tell them I am joking then they say 'Oh ok' and I go do whatever I was intending to do (quest or whatever). You guys seem to get mad so easily, sheesh. You need to go on TV in the SOAP channel and just get rid of all that drama thats going on.

[Googi]

Originally posted by busyrobot
I ask you, if toran is a victim here, why would he seek out to go to Dustari (those are not screen shots of forest you know) and wear a tag that says 'INVADING DUSTARI' knowing full well that the very people he claims are harrassing him are going to show up to stop him?

Stop him, yes. However, claiming to "know where he lives" is just stupid.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by DragonX
I set my nick to 'invading <kingdom>' when I goto any kingdom island, simply because I am bored and it's fun. Then I get PMs asking 'Why are you invading' or threats saying 'Don't you dare, I will send my best men after you' yada yada lol then I just tell them I am joking then they say 'Oh ok' and I go do whatever I was intending to do (quest or whatever). You guys seem to get mad so easily, sheesh. You need to go on TV in the SOAP channel and just get rid of all that drama thats going on.

oh, look, he said "for fun." It's a game, Argosax and I were doing it FOR FUN and Zoe threatens my life. NOT FUN.

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by Googi


Stop him, yes. However, claiming to "know where he lives" is just stupid.

The phrase was 'really lives' as referrence to 'not where you say you live but....where you really live'

If I was to make a threat, I'd say "I know where you live"

you CAN say 'really live', but that implies some dispute about where 'really' is.

As it was mentioned, it is completely out of context from the other remark, not in anyway a threat.

Even toran now admits at least a full minute passed.....if you are arguing, how many times do you say something new in a minute?

More than toran is trying to say was said.



It was simply, 'really in the USA' and not in Egypt, as previously mentioned.

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by DragonX
I set my nick to 'invading <kingdom>' when I goto any kingdom island, simply because I am bored and it's fun. Then I get PMs asking 'Why are you invading' or threats saying 'Don't you dare, I will send my best men after you' yada yada lol then I just tell them I am joking then they say 'Oh ok' and I go do whatever I was intending to do (quest or whatever). You guys seem to get mad so easily, sheesh. You need to go on TV in the SOAP channel and just get rid of all that drama thats going on.

A) When you do it, it's in fun, not as a way to try to get some good screenshots to try and get someone banned on false pretences.

B) There is nothing in fun about Toran, he was asked not to bother us, as a condition of his being unbanned one of the last times. If you were in his shoes, with the history and the BS that's been going on DX, would you 'in good fun' just start an invasion? If you came to the shores, I would probably play along in good fun, but when Toran is in our faces full time and then does it, it's just tired and sad and not even vaguely in the spirit of fun.

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by Torankusu
oh, look, he said "for fun." It's a game, Argosax and I were doing it FOR FUN and Zoe threatens my life. NOT FUN.

You already acknowledged the time gap was so large, that there is no way that Zoe would have been threatening your life.

You will be lucky if you are not banned for trying to fake this.


As for 'for fun'......if dustarians are so horrible and corrupt and mean and awful as you claim, why did you pop over to dustari for some good clean 'invasion' fun? You know, FOR FUN and all?


That really doesn't add up. Well, it does add up, if you do the math as "Toran + DevilsDice = Trying to harrass dustarians and pretend to just be having innocent fun afterwards"

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by Torankusu
wow, that's funny because Tecumseh quit because "staff are making me quit other then that ban me which is worse."

uh, not a snowballs chance in hades that tec was ever even vaguely threatened with being banned, ROFL.


So now you put words in his mouth because he's not here to dispute you, you are a true gentleman.

[DragonX]

Originally posted by busyrobot


uh, not a snowballs chance in hades that tec was ever even vaguely threatened with being banned, ROFL.


So now you put words in his mouth because he's not here to dispute you, you are a true gentleman.

I can back Toran up on this one thing. Tec did have his name set to that which was strange and confusing..=X

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by DragonX


I can back Toran up on this one thing. Tec did have his name set to that which was strange and confusing..=X

Then who ever threatened him with a ban was not staff, that's for sure.

btw, DX, can you answer my other question about toran, If you were in his shoes, with the history and the BS that's been going on DX, would you 'in good fun' just start an invasion?

[DragonX]

Originally posted by busyrobot



Then who ever threatened him with a ban was not staff, that's for sure.

btw, DX, can you answer my other question about toran, If you were in his shoes, with the history and the BS that's been going on DX, would you 'in good fun' just start an invasion?

Well hmm. First I would let the other party know that I am just setting my nick to it for fun, other then that, yeah.

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by DragonX


Well hmm. First I would let the other party know that I am just setting my nick to it for fun, other then that, yeah.

Good, so we can agree that what toran did was not the same, and actually quite different.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by busyrobot

B) There is nothing in fun about Toran, he was asked not to bother us, as a condition of his being unbanned one of the last times. If you were in his shoes, with the history and the BS that's been going on DX, would you 'in good fun' just start an invasion? If you came to the shores, I would probably play along in good fun, but when Toran is in our faces full time and then does it, it's just tired and sad and not even vaguely in the spirit of fun.

there are no more conditions. I can PK Wren/Zoe all I want. And I didn't "invade" to get screenshots, I wasn't going to PREDICT that she would say something stupid like "I could kill you" or "I know where you really live." I was actually going to finish a quest, but on the way PK Wren since she was there. Zoe just HAPPENED to say some ridiculous things; though, I wouldn't expect anything less from someone like her.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by busyrobot



Then who ever threatened him with a ban was not staff, that's for sure.

btw, DX, can you answer my other question about toran, If you were in his shoes, with the history and the BS that's been going on DX, would you 'in good fun' just start an invasion?

Guy, Angel got on and asked him to quit disrupting an event, tec replied with "fine ban me if you must." angel wasn't going to ban him. Tecumseh continues to PK forest members, and Jagen gets on to give me a bamboo rod, and Tecumseh is following me around in the trading room for nearly 15 minutes trying to PK me, so Jagen PMs him a few times telling him that what he is doing is ridiculous and more.

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by Torankusu
there are no more conditions. I can PK Wren/Zoe all I want. And I didn't "invade" to get screenshots, I wasn't going to PREDICT that she would say something stupid like "I could kill you" or "I know where you really live." I was actually going to finish a quest, but on the way PK Wren since she was there. Zoe just HAPPENED to say some ridiculous things; though, I wouldn't expect anything less from someone like her.

So you are saying you just stumbled upon an opportunity, to splice together two screen shots from different times, and the whole frame up thing all happened through a nice accident?


(before you bother your fingers with the typical response, reread the previous posts of those who pointed out this was obviously contrived, and where you even admitted that enough time passed to render the sequence irrelevant to the threat you tried to imply.)

[foxyrain]

Originally posted by Torankusu
there are no more conditions. I can PK Wren/Zoe all I want. And I didn't "invade" to get screenshots, I wasn't going to PREDICT that she would say something stupid like "I could kill you" or "I know where you really live." I was actually going to finish a quest, but on the way PK Wren since she was there. Zoe just HAPPENED to say some ridiculous things; though, I wouldn't expect anything less from someone like her.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by DevilsDice
What else would you like her to do while they are fighting?

Begin cheerleading? Or perhaps begin writing the newest novel on, those two fighting... There wasnt much to do besides watch

Dude, the very fact that they were fighting breaks up the conversation too. There are no logical grounds to believe that those two statements are part of a single threat.

[Googi]

Originally posted by busyrobot
If I was to make a threat, I'd say "I know where you live"

There are a lot of better threats you can make though.

[DevilsDice]

That really doesn't add up. Well, it does add up, if you do the math as "Toran + DevilsDice = Trying to harrass dustarians and pretend to just be having innocent fun afterwards"

Eh? I've never had intentions previously to "harrass" dustari... I was goin there for clean fun, but I've never turnd down a nice fight...

Yeesh, you dont even know me, how can you assune me and toran = harrassment for dustari??

I just think you guys are hella corrupt...

Dude, the very fact that they were fighting breaks up the conversation too. There are no logical grounds to believe that those two statements are part of a single threat.

Zoe wasnt fighting, and I doubt she would start talking and yelling as I said... I myself dont exactly find the point in trying to get them banned or get them in trouble with the threat but, it was made in a consecutive wording...

As to the rest of the conversation...

Well hmm. First I would let the other party know that I am just setting my nick to it for fun, other then that, yeah.

Yah, I dont think I need permission to mass "Haha Im in you castle Dusty"... if I did, then I would need to mass that every time I walked into something of Stefens, which would be... Graal itself...

There are a lot of better threats you can make though.

Hahaha! Funny...

So you are saying you just stumbled upon an opportunity, to splice together two screen shots from different times, and the whole frame up thing all happened through a nice accident?

More took advantage of somebodys stupidity...

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by DevilsDice
Yeesh, you dont even know me, how can you assune me and toran = harrassment for dustari??

Because of this:

Zoe wasnt fighting, and I doubt she would start talking and yelling as I said... I myself dont exactly find the point in trying to get them banned or get them in trouble with the threat but, it was made in a consecutive wording...

You're clearly lying about this issue, which shows how untrustworthy and duplicitous you are.

[DevilsDice]

You're clearly lying about this issue, which shows how untrustworthy and duplicitous you are.

Heh... Even if I was, I have no right to say I am, or am not....

Neither do you...

And I'm not lying, simply saying, there isnt a reason to get them banned, on account of them threatenning him, for there is no way to win... Considering how single-minded you all are...

edit:

duplicitous

Mind defining? Frustrating my mind is a bad thing to do at 3:00 am cali time.... I get easily cranky...

BTW, Kai, Forum PM me plz

[syltburk]

Tecumseh overacted totally, he were gonna get banned for short time for disrupting event, not long

he wasnt going to die for being banned in some few days,


HE WAS DISRUPTING A EVENT know this is the end of this thread.

[Python523]

Originally posted by syltburk
Tecumseh overacted totally, he were gonna get banned for short time for disrupting event, not long

he wasnt going to die for being banned in some few days,


HE WAS DISRUPTING A EVENT know this is the end of this thread.

Maybe so but it is not up to you and tyrial to decide if someone is going to be banned, that is why I didn't even think about doing so, when someone disrupts an event, you report them to me, you don't tell me how to do my job

[Muha_builder]

tec was a great guy and its a shame he left. I hope he will someday get back

[DenoriZakarum]

Originally posted by Muha_builder
tec was a great guy and its a shame he left. I hope he will someday get back

i agree, tec and dx are the nicest guys on there. its a shame he left