Ok this is just plain messed ><

[Hilton]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


YOUR character? Like, YOUR servers? Like, YOUR company? As an elected representative of Graal, I have every authority to make changes such as this that benefit the community.

As a paying customer I do not benefit from this because I use that head occasionally.

Also, should we all delete AIM because people go around impersonating certain staff members' AIM names, oh great elected representative of Graal?

[DeathChill]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


As I said, a tiny fraction of a percentile. Er1c knows perfectly well that the head is the accepted RC head. It's posititively discourteous for him to use it.

Er1c's also been around since before it was the RC head as there was no RC head ;( aka before you ;P

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by DeathChill

Er1c's also been around since before it was the RC head as there was no RC head ;( aka before you ;P

And? His being here longer than me means that he gets some sort of priority? When he's not staff on G2K1, he's just a player. That's all.

hilton: Your example is ludicrous. It's nothing like the same thing.

[Tyhm]

I support Kai's ruling.

But only until such time as Stefan sets the RC Head to a more appropriate icon. If it were possible to set the NPCServ head, I'd disable that too, but there's apparently no legal way to do so, making it kinda moot.

[freddyfox]

Originally posted by Hilton


As a paying customer I do not benefit from this because I use that head occasionally.

Well, that sucks, tough luck. Their game, they can change it if they want.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Tyhm
I support Kai's ruling.

But only until such time as Stefan sets the RC Head to a more appropriate icon. If it were possible to set the NPCServ head, I'd disable that too, but there's apparently no legal way to do so, making it kinda moot.

*nods*

If it's a serverwide change and everybody knows about it then there's no problem.

[Hilton]

You know there is a staff list for a reason.

And yes Vermain, how petty of me to think Graal was some sort of democracy where issues/changes were presented to players before being set in stone. Now that I think about it it seems more Communistically (real word?) run.


But silly me, it's just a game!! Goodnight!

[Frolic_RC2]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


YOUR character? Like, YOUR servers? Like, YOUR company? As an elected representative of Graal, I have every authority to make changes such as this that benefit the community.

Yes actually. We all own our character. We all PAID for it after all, so yes. OUR character. To some point OUR servers. The company is there to serve US, so yes.

If it was still free it would be different, but since we ALL paid for it, we OWN our characters. So you can't use that in defense.

You may say "but you, Soul Blade, are using a staff account" I have 2 other accounts, 1 which is no longer upgraded (T-Squad) and another (Soul-Blade) with about 100 days left, just a low low post count. Post counts are good anywho...

Elected representative? No. More like "volunteer worker" for graal. You are in your position because you are skillful at scripting, no other reason I'm sure. Certainly from this we all see you aren't there because of your "excellent decision and management" skills (for those who don't realize, I was being sarcastic).

Doesn't seem like this benefits anyone, making a head which says "RC" is perfectly reasonable, and if people don't understand that, they can then be classified as idiots, or below age to play graal. I don't think even a 8 year old would be stupid enough for that mistake.

Its not right to rescrict heads which people have used for possibly years, a head which completely makes your character. Some may say "its just a game" but what would you be saying if they took the head you have used for a long while?

(no I do not use this head, I just wanted to go against Kaimetsu and formulate an arguement because its fun )

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Frolic_RC2
Yes actually. We all own our character. We all PAID for it after all, so yes. OUR character. To some point OUR servers. The company is there to serve US, so yes.

If it was still free it would be different, but since we ALL paid for it, we OWN our characters. So you can't use that in defense.

You pay for the privilege of using THEIR characters. The data on the server belongs to them. Otherwise you'd be able to choose any name etc.

Elected representative? No. More like "volunteer worker" for graal. You are in your position because you are skillful at scripting, no other reason I'm sure. Certainly from this we all see you aren't there because of your "excellent decision and management" skills (for those who don't realize, I was being sarcastic).

I was made NAT Admin for my scripting skill. That's not why I was made co-manager. If you don't like the decisions I make then fine, you're welcome to your opinion. I'm sure virtually every decision meets bad responses along with the good, especially if the person making the decision has people like you lining up to take a shot at them. I don't let it bother me because I think I made the right choice.

Doesn't seem like this benefits anyone, making a head which says "RC" is perfectly reasonable, and if people don't understand that, they can then be classified as idiots, or below age to play graal. I don't think even a 8 year old would be stupid enough for that mistake.

I'm fully cooperative with that idea, assuming that everybody knows that the change has been made. Otherwise we might get problems with newbies who haven't seen that G2K1 uses a special system and subsequently make the mistake of thinking that gokudhsds23232 is an RC. You say only stupid people would make this mistake, as if stupid people are less valid customers. These are your excellent decision-making skills coming into play?

Its not right to rescrict heads which people have used for possibly years, a head which completely makes your character. Some may say "its just a game" but what would you be saying if they took the head you have used for a long while?

You may not have read the whole thread. I DID use that head up until I came to G2K1. Then I realised the confusion I could be causing and stopped.

[Frolic_RC2]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


You pay for the privilege of using THEIR characters. The data on the server belongs to them. Otherwise you'd be able to choose any name etc.

Nothing to say on this, because I probably don't really know. Just a dosage of common sense I think on my post.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

I was made NAT Admin for my scripting skill. That's not why I was made co-manager. If you don't like the decisions I make then fine, you're welcome to your opinion. I'm sure virtually every decision meets bad responses along with the good, especially if the person making the decision has people like you lining up to take a shot at them. I don't let it bother me because I think I made the right choice.

Co-manager? Well, I wonder who put you there, so I can argue with them

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

I'm fully cooperative with that idea, assuming that everybody knows that the change has been made. Otherwise we might get problems with newbies who haven't seen that G2K1 uses a special system and subsequently make the mistake of thinking that gokudhsds23232 is an RC. You say only stupid people would make this mistake, as if stupid people are less valid customers. These are your excellent decision-making skills coming into play?

Not hard to put into play, just post a message on the main site, and if able put a message on the news at login thing on G2k1, and tell them the new head will be put into play, and show them what the new RC head looks like. If anybody misses that, then common sense should kick in when they see RC on the playerlist. Come on, you must agree on this one.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

You may not have read the whole thread. I DID use that head up until I came to G2K1. Then I realised the confusion I could be causing and stopped.

Well, some people aren't able to just give up the way their character looks. I know I wouldn't. (not that I have been on graal for a while, I just know what my character looks like, and wouldn't change him)

[Shorty2Dope]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


You pay for the privilege of using THEIR characters. The data on the server belongs to them. Otherwise you'd be able to choose any name etc.



I was made NAT Admin for my scripting skill. That's not why I was made co-manager. If you don't like the decisions I make then fine, you're welcome to your opinion. I'm sure virtually every decision meets bad responses along with the good, especially if the person making the decision has people like you lining up to take a shot at them. I don't let it bother me because I think I made the right choice.



I'm fully cooperative with that idea, assuming that everybody knows that the change has been made. Otherwise we might get problems with newbies who haven't seen that G2K1 uses a special system and subsequently make the mistake of thinking that gokudhsds23232 is an RC. You say only stupid people would make this mistake, as if stupid people are less valid customers. These are your excellent decision-making skills coming into play?



You may not have read the whole thread. I DID use that head up until I came to G2K1. Then I realised the confusion I could be causing and stopped.

you sucked at co-owner/NAT... you left us!!

[freddyfox]

Originally posted by Hilton

And yes Vermain, how petty of me to think Graal was some sort of democracy where issues/changes were presented to players before being set in stone. Now that I think about it it seems more Communistically (real word?) run.

Yeah. Sorry, bub, but you should be absolutely thrilled you even have a SMALL chance of getting a say in ANYTHING. When you look over at a huge game like Everquest, you're lucky if anyone notices you posted AT ALL.

[James]

Originally posted by freddyfox


Yeah. Sorry, bub, but you should be absolutely thrilled you even have a SMALL chance of getting a say in ANYTHING. When you look over at a huge game like Everquest, you're lucky if anyone notices you posted AT ALL.

You'll be lucky if you even get to talk to one of the Head GM's.

[HVOstroHS]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Because Kaimetsu wasn't staff until recently, y'see?

3rd person talk! Caius likes it!

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Frolic_RC2


Nothing to say on this, because I probably don't really know. Just a dosage of common sense I think on my post.

The term 'common sense' is kinda self-defeating. A common person has an IQ of something around 100 - he's not exactly likely to be a font of wisdom, hmm?

Co-manager? Well, I wonder who put you there, so I can argue with them

Birdbird did, and Konidias recommended me when he quit.

Not hard to put into play, just post a message on the main site, and if able put a message on the news at login thing on G2k1, and tell them the new head will be put into play, and show them what the new RC head looks like. If anybody misses that, then common sense should kick in when they see RC on the playerlist. Come on, you must agree on this one.

Yes, certainly. If we can effectively change over to a new system then I'll be happy to cooperate with it. But until that time I think it's wise to restrict head25.

Well, some people aren't able to just give up the way their character looks. I know I wouldn't. (not that I have been on graal for a while, I just know what my character looks like, and wouldn't change him)

Perhaps they should've thought of that before they decided to use the commonly accepted RC head? I empathise with them, having done the same thing myself, but I maintain that it's not as much inconvenience to them as it could be inconvenience to a newbie to be duped by an RC-imitator.

Originally posted by Shorty2Dope

you sucked at co-owner/NAT... you left us!!

If I did indeed 'suck' at it then I did you a favour by leaving.