Dead?

[xAndrewx]

Yep, that's correct Sam. Most don't even play GK.

[Craigus]

GK is all about the kingdoms, i once enjoyed this aspect of the game and think i could once again if a decent kingdom came along again...i believe all the kingdoms are badly run at the moment, Pirates probably being the only acception, although i would not join it because it can't RP and doesn't fit with my character.

[xAndrewx]

What's your character, Craig?

[Craigus]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

What's your character, Craig?

My character had a successful career in the Dustari military and led it for a short period before becoming prince. He is a warrior and fights for noble causes and would not be seen fighting for dirty no good pirates

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Craigus

My character had a successful career in the Dustari military and led it for a short period before becoming prince. He is a warrior and fights for noble causes and would not be seen fighting for dirty no good pirates

Har har, we pirates should be more dirty and bad, you are right

[Craigus]

Dustari was once the law enforcing kingdom it was always meant to be, used to keep the pirates in thier place, now the pirates are left to roam the seas all ships beware! something must be done :O

[Taikun]

it's useless to argue :/

[Taikun]

couldn't of explained better O.o i am for a reset seriously

[Taikun]

and what made diamonds and maps grew that much in value were the market stand bugs not the player. i don't want to blame anyone, graal is a betha yes but after all this bugs that people abused, don't you think a reset would make the economy "normal" again? imagine all the things we would enjoy again. eventshields/swords/belts/helmets etc. would be worth eventing again which staff doesn't want to event right now because it's beeing sold for usd afterwards anyways as everybody knows. it's time to make this server worth playing again without people running around with tons of usd'd stuff and glitched levels and created items.. this sounds kind of a blame but it's not. i just really think a server restart would help. the people who got their levels legally know how to get them again, and those who got them by glitches will have to work now. sry but that's my opinion

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Taikun

and what made diamonds and maps grew that much in value were the market stand bugs not the player. i don't want to blame anyone, graal is a betha yes but after all this bugs that people abused, don't you think a reset would make the economy "normal" again? imagine all the things we would enjoy again. eventshields/swords/belts/helmets etc. would be worth eventing again which staff doesn't want to event right now because it's beeing sold for usd afterwards anyways as everybody knows. it's time to make this server worth playing again without people running around with tons of usd'd stuff and glitched levels and created items.. this sounds kind of a blame but it's not. i just really think a server restart would help. the people who got their levels legally know how to get them again, and those who got them by glitches will have to work now. sry but that's my opinion

We are working on new stuff and new events. We improved a lot of things and also Stefan fixed bugs and help when ever he has time. You need to be patient, because we cannot do it all at once.
We also will give out more good items and we do that by and by.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

We also will give out more good items and we do that by and by.

And who do you think will get their hands on those items? Answer this question correct and you get a cookie!

[Craigus]

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

And who do you think will get their hands on those items? Answer this question correct and you get a cookie!

Doesn't really matter, sure if its a good item a rich person will end up with it and the newer person will end up with a variety of items that is more use to him, what matters is that the new people see that they have a chance to get these items they are avaliable and by winning events they can get these items.

[Sam]

Staff can't be the nannies for the players. If they want to sell or trade it, they can do it. The only thing we can do is make a better balance.

[Googi]

The price of diamonds is playerbase regulated. The prices of ultra-rare items are largely outside the bounds of supply and demand as the supply is often zero outside of USD markets (sometimes an ultra-rare item will go up for trade but the request will be another ultra-rare item that cannot be obtained except, again, through USD markets). You aren't going to get this stuff with dias and RoWs.

[StrykerTFFD]

Thanks Googi. I was kind of expecting you to come along and make the point I was trying to make but couldn't quite get across.

[StrykerTFFD]

Yeah, I wasn't saying thanks to you Sam.

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

You clearly don't understand supply and demand. If Supply is Up, Demand is Down, Price is Down. If Supply is Low, Demand is Up, Price is Up. That's Supply and Demand and only applies to this case in this way: The rare items are being horded by the older, higher level players. They CONTROL the Supply and can put whatever Price they want reguardless of the Demand. The younger players either pay the high prices or go without. This also forces younger players who find items like diamonds to use the higher prices on diamonds to SURVIVE as they have no other means of income.

Originally Posted by Googi

The price of diamonds is playerbase regulated. The prices of ultra-rare items are largely outside the bounds of supply and demand as the supply is often zero outside of USD markets (sometimes an ultra-rare item will go up for trade but the request will be another ultra-rare item that cannot be obtained except, again, through USD markets). You aren't going to get this stuff with dias and RoWs.

*sigh*
Read the bolded parts. That's the points I'm talking about. Your diamond examples don't concern me. I don't mention diamonds anywhere, except as an example where players need to continue the high prices to keep up with the ways of income.

EDIT:To make this more clear, the prices of diamonds and brutals have gone in a reverse direction.Their costs aren't controlled by players, rather they're controlled by those who have the money to overpay for them. High leveled players, those who are richer than the younger players, toss up high offers in order to buy out the younger players, not give them a chance. I mean look at the costs of brutals. They're insane. Who can afford those other than people who are trying to buy them in mass and power level? That's my feeling on diamonds, since you keep bringing them up.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

Thanks Googi. I was kind of expecting you to come along and make the point I was trying to make but couldn't quite get across.

Finally you got it! Good!

Originally Posted by Googi

The price of diamonds is playerbase regulated.

That's what I am talking about! And that's what counts here.

And because we cannot control anything outside of Graal, we (Staff) cannot prevent such things like buying items for real money.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

And because we cannot control anything outside of Graal, we (Staff) cannot prevent such things like buying items for real money.

Except, of course, banning people who USD, which the staff don't try hard enough to do. Or scammers for that matter.

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

To make this more clear, the prices of diamonds and brutals have gone in a reverse direction.Their costs aren't controlled by players, rather they're controlled by those who have the money to overpay for them. High leveled players, those who are richer than the younger players, toss up high offers in order to buy out the younger players, not give them a chance. I mean look at the costs of brutals. They're insane. Who can afford those other than people who are trying to buy them in mass and power level? That's my feeling on diamonds, since you keep bringing them up.

Diamonds have remained at 500 plat for a very long time. Talking about diamonds in terms of plat to begin with is a mistake. Diamonds, not plat, are the currency of 2K2. An increase in their plat value doesn't represent an increase in the value of diamonds but a decrease in the value of platinum.

Also, there is no case of someone buying diamonds in bulk through overpaying in terms of plat that I know of, or even buying diamonds in bulk for 500 plat each. This is not to say that such cases doesn't exist, but that they are very likely too rare to impact the plat value of diamonds in any considerable way.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Googi

Except, of course, banning people who USD, which the staff don't try hard enough to do. Or scammers for that matter.

We don't punish people for selling or buying items for USD. That's not our business. The only thing we can do is to prohibit specifically announcements of selling or buying for real money inside the game.
And that follows a ban.
I am working hard for the ban of scammers and I also was able to bring scammed items back to their owners, but it don't works all the time.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

We don't punish people for selling or buying items for USD. That's not our business.

Yeah, I know it's not. But the staff can make it their business.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah, I know it's not. But the staff can make it their business.

It doesn't really change much - it's pretty hard to get actual proof. Shortly after I began being a GP we tried it... didn't work so hot.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by Googi

Diamonds have remained at 500 plat for a very long time.

Yeah, but I come from the times when they cost 10 plat each. I miss those days.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

The prices for diamonds or brutals are made by the players. It's like in real life: supply and demand!
Don't pay so much, offer less and the prices will go down.

You got what I am talking about? DIAMONDS AND BRUTALS, by answering Taikun:

Originally Posted by Taikun

...have to add that the prices on GK are awful. why the heck did diamonds go to 500 plat per? how dumb is that (think bout it). same with brutal maps beeing sold for 5k each. that's just... there we are back at the point buying stuff for real money. it seems it's the only way to success at this game.

And if you read that:

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

That's what I am talking about! And that's what counts here.

And because we cannot control anything outside of Graal, we (Staff) cannot prevent such things like buying items for real money.

I am talking about supply and demand traded INSIDE of Graal. But maybe you can ask Googie to let explain it only for you, what I am talking about.

And the reason why the prices of diamonds and brutals are going higher and higher is, because the older player are lazy and just want to be stronger by doing nothing and improve their weapons with diamonds.
But that are complaints we don't accept, because it's their own fault.

[Butz]

Maybe there should be some sort of secret strike force that tries to catch people selling items for USD, and when proof is collected, ban the accounts of those players, and release the items back into circulation? >.>

Any other game out there wouldn't stand for this sort of thing.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Zero Hour

It doesn't really change much - it's pretty hard to get actual proof. Shortly after I began being a GP we tried it... didn't work so hot.

Use dummy AIM accounts.

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

Yeah, but I come from the times when they cost 10 plat each. I miss those days.

I come from the times when diamonds were worthless because it was more efficient to craft 10 gralats using a gold and a durby than it was to craft 20 with 2 golds, 2 diamonds and a durby, boy!

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by Googi

I come from the times when diamonds were worthless because it was more efficient to craft 10 gralats using a gold and a durby than it was to craft 20 with 2 golds, 2 diamonds and a durby, boy!

Haha =D

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by Googi

I come from the times when diamonds were worthless because it was more efficient to craft 10 gralats using a gold and a durby than it was to craft 20 with 2 golds, 2 diamonds and a durby, boy!

...lol.

[Taikun]

i personally don't play gk anymore because of the fact that there are like 3 monopols who have all items and only fewer who have got hold of the rest of eventstuff. umm there is nothing i could work for anymore. once it was fun to level physique but since that "creating brutal maps" time i don't see the point in paying lots for them if others get them for free and spread them out to their usd friends. i won't play till a reset happens because i see no fairness at this point. nor do i think that it's ok that people have lvl 107 phys by that wisdom-physique glitch. whta sense does armor make then? (ac, resist phys?) if you can get me arguments against a reset i would like to hear them.

[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Taikun

i personally don't play gk anymore because of the fact that there are like 3 monopols who have all items and only fewer who have got hold of the rest of eventstuff. i don't see the point in paying lots for them if others get them for free and spread them out to their usd friends.

I distinctly recall you being a large-time USDer o.O

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Taikun

if you can get me arguments against a reset i would like to hear them.

Because most problems on 2K2 can be solved by nerfing.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Taikun

...but since that "creating brutal maps" time i don't see the point in paying lots for them if others get them for free and spread them out to their usd friends...

Interesting. I would like to know who is able to create maps except GK staff. Maybe you can explain that a bit better. If you know about illegal manipulations you should contact staff! Also if you talk about any of the current staff.

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by Taikun

i personally don't play gk anymore because of the fact that there are like 3 monopols who have all items and only fewer who have got hold of the rest of eventstuff. umm there is nothing i could work for anymore. once it was fun to level physique but since that "creating brutal maps" time i don't see the point in paying lots for them if others get them for free and spread them out to their usd friends. i won't play till a reset happens because i see no fairness at this point. nor do i think that it's ok that people have lvl 107 phys by that wisdom-physique glitch. whta sense does armor make then? (ac, resist phys?) if you can get me arguments against a reset i would like to hear them.

If you cared about items you wouldnt have sold yours to random people multiple times. So dont tell everyone you dont play because of your inability to get items. You had all kinds of stuff that you CHOSE to get rid of. As for you not being able to pk people anymore then maybe you shouldnt haven given away your stats either? Seriouslly, dont give everything you have away including stats and come back here complaining about gameplay. Because you have no right. If you cant pk anymore then why dont you do something about it besides sitting in trade all day when you do actually decide to log on. Get dias to get maps and go kill stuff. That goes for everyone who is to lazy to level by any means neccesary. Gear doesnt make THAT much difference between two high level pkers. And like i said before, there is nothing stopping any of you from leveling yourself. Laziness is the only excuse. Dont sit in trade all day complaining about people getting stronger than you because while you were sitting there complaining they were spending time doing maps or collecting diamonds to buy more maps.

[Taikun]

but who will nerfe them? i doubt that staff will do it :/ look at the items. they're all overpowered.. ZH i didn't even know who had the brutals and where they got it from. i never bought 1 for usd

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Taikun

but who will nerfe them? i doubt that staff will do it :/ look at the items. they're all overpowered.. ZH i didn't even know who had the brutals and where they got it from. i never bought 1 for usd

The staff have nerfed things in the past. Claiming that a reset is needed because staff won't nerf is pointless, however, since it would be the staff that would have to reset the server.

Originally Posted by Taikun

yes, unfortunatly

No. It's not. Don't say the server is dead when it clearly isn't just because you don't like the server. If you think the server sucks, say that it sucks, not that it's dead.

[xAndrewx]

Who's talking about brutals? You've bought other items Taikun.

[Taikun]

i traded items for them yea. what's wrong with it. umm Sam. Jagen had created those maps and James (both can't now anymore) which is good but still there are people with over 100's of stacked ones. tig had 1000 x.x and also grimmp2p had many that he bought from players who have got them from james. umm there are still many around but o well. i guess staff doesn't have the time to check every single account. (nor would i if i was staff). it's a lot of work x-x. xD andrew you won't believe it but i never bought a single item via usd.

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by Taikun

i traded items for them yea. what's wrong with it. umm Sam. Jagen had created those maps and James (both can't now anymore) which is good but still there are people with over 100's of stacked ones. tig had 1000 x.x and also grimmp2p had many that he bought from players who have got them from james. umm there are still many around but o well. i guess staff doesn't have the time to check every single account. (nor would i if i was staff). it's a lot of work x-x

Can you provide any evidence?
Who's James anyway?

[Sam]

Stefan deleted all those stacked brutals 2 or 3 weeks ago.

[Taikun]

umm yeah the maps beeing / have been on their accounts o.o @ andrew . oh good sam but i am sure there are still some around because i'm always beeing told who has them without really asking for it. but if you say that stefan deleated them ALL i will believe it :O (james was a developer staff if i remember correctly who had really many rights such as creating items. he created them and after many months when he came back after he quit he traded to tig and others for mal stuff. then lance deleated those items on gk and replaced them with some other stuff and james got away with it i guess. meanwhile james isn't staff anymore i think but i am not sure xD). james sold like over 2k brutals for mal stuff is one evidence and for jagen.. well we all know bout the old times don't we?

[Sam]

Ok let's go back to the topic. It was the question: Whats going on, on GK? Is it dead.