Graal2001 remake... what would you...

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Python523

Don't see why Lance and Koni can't collaborate on some kind of merge... makes no sense if there are two 2k1 servers.

Because if Lance and Koni go in together, it would be a free ride for Lance and Koni would have a harder time finding workers.

[Python523]

Originally Posted by protagonist

Because if Lance and Koni go in together, it would be a free ride for Lance and Koni would have a harder time finding workers.

I don't see why it should be allowed for both of them to have a 2k1 server. Isn't it technically theft to go 'okay, here's a server, i'm going to take it's concept and revise it even though it's still online! (even if it's private).'

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Python523

I don't see why it should be allowed for both of them to have a 2k1 server. Isn't it technically theft to go 'okay, here's a server, i'm going to take it's concept and revise it even though it's still online! (even if it's private).'

It's not really stealing if I helped develop the original 2k1, helped manage the original 2k1, and I'm using the original 2k1 as my base project. I'm not using Lance's 2k1, or any of the stuff that has been developed the past year or two. It's stuff from the time I was working there.

Also, seeing as how 2k1 currently has TWO private servers that are entirely inactive, I can hardly see it being a problem. It's become apparent that Lance is never going to finish his project. I don't even have a server yet so it's not really a problem at the moment.

I would like Lance to step down from managing the current 2k1 so that there will only be one 2k1 online, but that doesn't seem like it has much chance at happening without force.

[Python523]

Originally Posted by konidias

It's not really stealing if I helped develop the original 2k1, helped manage the original 2k1, and I'm using the original 2k1 as my base project. I'm not using Lance's 2k1, or any of the stuff that has been developed the past year or two. It's stuff from the time I was working there.

Eh, point taken but one could argue that all of that content belongs on the 2k1 server regardless of what path they have taken or who owns it. If I made a world for World X, quit, and then they decide to get rid of it completely and start over I don't think I should be allowed to come back and take my world and put it up on a new gserver.

Originally Posted by konidias

Also, seeing as how 2k1 currently has TWO private servers that are entirely inactive, I can hardly see it being a problem. It's become apparent that Lance is never going to finish his project. I don't even have a server yet so it's not really a problem at the moment.

Yea, I agree that it shouldn't have two servers either.

Originally Posted by konidias

I would like Lance to step down from managing the current 2k1 so that there will only be one 2k1 online, but that doesn't seem like it has much chance at happening without force.

That would seem like the ideal solution but doesn't look like it would happen.

Why bother?
Do you really think that even a heavily revised 2k1 would be popular? Do you really think so? This was 4 years ago. Graal has changed a lot in the last four years... especially the playerbase. Of course you still have the people who really wish 2k1 was still around... even I'll admit that 2k1 was the most fun I've ever had being a player on (and being a staff on). However, do you think that the majority of graal will want to play it?

Maybe what gave 2k1 its 'charm' wouldn't be so attractive now? What made 2k1 so special... the fact that you were actually doing something that seemed productive? Will players still want to do that..? The hats? Many servers do the exact same thing with them that 2k1 did now. The bomies? Will new players want to try a completely new race? The simple economy? Will players want to work for hours and make gralats while instead they could work for hours on GK and get satisfaction through killing people with your strength? The community? Well, for one, the community is all but gone, it seems (very few of the original players seem to still be around). What will make people want to play 2k1?

Maybe 2k1 should just be laid to rest... Even if you remake it and change a lot of things to make it attractive to current players, would it still technically be 2k1 then? It's been four years, man. Four long years. Graal has changed a lot since then. Maybe graal has 'evolved', for lack of a better word, beyond what made 2k1 attractive.

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by konidias

I would like Lance to step down from managing the current 2k1 so that there will only be one 2k1 online, but that doesn't seem like it has much chance at happening without force.

Some people don't want their stuff gone, again.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Python523

Why bother?
Do you really think that even a heavily revised 2k1 would be popular? Do you really think so? This was 4 years ago. Graal has changed a lot in the last four years... especially the playerbase. Of course you still have the people who really wish 2k1 was still around... even I'll admit that 2k1 was the most fun I've ever had being a player on (and being a staff on). However, do you think that the majority of graal will want to play it?

Maybe what gave 2k1 its 'charm' wouldn't be so attractive now? What made 2k1 so special... the fact that you were actually doing something that seemed productive? Will players still want to do that..? The hats? Many servers do the exact same thing with them that 2k1 did now. The bomies? Will new players want to try a completely new race? The simple economy? Will players want to work for hours and make gralats while instead they could work for hours on GK and get satisfaction through killing people with your strength? The community? Well, for one, the community is all but gone, it seems (very few of the original players seem to still be around). What will make people want to play 2k1?

Maybe 2k1 should just be laid to rest... Even if you remake it and change a lot of things to make it attractive to current players, would it still technically be 2k1 then? It's been four years, man. Four long years. Graal has changed a lot since then. Maybe graal has 'evolved', for lack of a better word, beyond what made 2k1 attractive.

I do believe a heavily revised 2k1 would be popular. The old players would remember some of the stuff from the past, and new players will have a whole new server to explore. I think the all new graphics alone will make people want to stick around a while and see how the server unfolds. There are very few servers with nice new graphics.

Of course I can't promise that 2k1 will be as "special" as it once was. That's impossible. But I do intend to keep everything that gave 2k1 it's appeal. Bomy pets, the fun jobs (okay they were fun at the time, they need revision), instruments and stuff to buy... etc.

I comprehend what I'm doing and understand that 2k1 by itself would not do well at this point in time. That is why I'm pushing to revise it enough so that people will feel it's a totally new server. The remaining "oldbies" of original 2k1 time will find the server to be refreshing yet familiar. That's all I want to achieve.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Python523

I don't see why it should be allowed for both of them to have a 2k1 server. Isn't it technically theft to go 'okay, here's a server, i'm going to take it's concept and revise it even though it's still online! (even if it's private).'

He was given Stefan's blessing, I think. It isn't "Lance's" anyway. It is CJ's.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by protagonist

He was given Stefan's blessing, I think. It isn't "Lance's" anyway. It is CJ's.

Well Stefan isn't totally decided yet. I'm hoping to get his approval though. That is what matters really. The server doesn't technically belong to any player or group of players. It belongs to Cyberjoueuers and Stefan/Unix have the last word on it.

I just figured seeing as how the current 2k1 project seems dead, and Stefan doesn't seem to mind my project, that there isn't really a problem.

[Damix2]

I say just keep the button mashing jobs, they were easy and simple.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Damix2

I say just keep the button mashing jobs, they were easy and simple.

However, people didn't like doing them.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by konidias

Well Stefan isn't totally decided yet. I'm hoping to get his approval though. That is what matters really. The server doesn't technically belong to any player or group of players. It belongs to Cyberjoueuers and Stefan/Unix have the last word on it.

I just figured seeing as how the current 2k1 project seems dead, and Stefan doesn't seem to mind my project, that there isn't really a problem.

I don't see any reason why Stefan wouldn't want you to. I mean, if Lance wants to really finish up whatever it is he needs to in order to make 2k1 public, he still can. This seems to be like, maximum favorability. And as you said: it's not as though you're using his content.