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[MagicalTux]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Where is this rule?

In France, there is a law that covers password stealing (it's about accessing a service with someone's else identity I think..)
Anyway, it's more than obvious, stealing people's password is forbidden...

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by MagicalTux

Iit's about accessing a service with someone's else identity I think..

What wrecked fool would do that?

[teshy2]

I click and click Loriel and click Loriel again and again but I get no free gralats!!~
Omagawd, I'm going to sue your pants off for false advertising. >:O

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by MagicalTux

In France, there is a law that covers password stealing (it's about accessing a service with someone's else identity I think..)

Well, the internet isn't France, and Moon Goddess isn't a policewoman anyway. Her job is to enforce the forum rules.

Anyway, it's more than obvious, stealing people's password is forbidden...

All I am arguing is that Loriel didn't actually break a rule, because there was no rule for him to break.

[brock128]

Originally Posted by Lance

Well, you posted.
Calling a sheep's tail a leg does not make it one.
"And since nobody can point a finger as to what rule he broke...I can't either".
He did not try to scam anyone out of their accounts, as has been duly noted.

Name one other use for it. Yes, feel free to run circles around me and say "TO POINT OUT THE EXPLOIT." I'll just say again "He could have contacted somebody." and you'd say "He tried and they ignored him", and then I'd say "He didn't try hard enough - and he should have used Forum PMs or posted a topic about it."

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How has this prank revealed that Loriel is either corrupt or unstable?

You act like this is the only thing he's done.

Originally Posted by Loriel

Yeah, and that is my fault how?

For not trying hard enough to contact him, and instead using the exploit to, as far as we know, your advantage?

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Where is this rule?

It's called common sense. I don't think it's listed because it's so painstakingly obvious.

Originally Posted by Loriel

What wrecked fool would do that?

You <3

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

All I am arguing is that Loriel didn't actually break a rule, because there was no rule for him to break.

Well gee, I guess since my bank doesn't have anything in the rules that say I can't hack their servers to get millions of dollars, then I can do so without any legal trouble. you're a *****

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by brock128

You act like this is the only thing he's done.

I act like this is the thing Moon Goddess wants to ban him over. Which it is.

It's called common sense. I don't think it's listed because it's so painstakingly obvious.

It's not a rule. Therefore: The various claims that Loriel broke a rule are unfounded. I await an alternate reason to ban him.

Well gee, I guess since my bank doesn't have anything in the rules that say I can't hack their servers to get millions of dollars, then I can do so without any legal trouble

Actually, there's a law against that.

The problem here is that you're very stupid. You lack any useful intellect, but without regard for this fact you are attempting to interpret my posts in a rational way. Inevitably, you fail. However, at times I can be wildly optimistic, so I'm going to explain my stance in greater detail, in the vain hope that you might actually understand it.

Loriel did something that, according to many people, is bad. Many say that he should be banned. Some of them are making the mistake of thinking that he broke the rules, and, as an upstanding member of the community, I took it upon myself to correct them. Loriel did not break any rules.

Read that last sentence again. Here it is: Loriel did not break any rules. Note that it is not quite the same as this sentence: Loriel did not do anything wrong. The first one is the one that I said. The second one is something you invented in your little tiny head. Indeed, I think that Loriel should not have done what he did, but that changes nothing. Loriel did not break any rules.

There are other possible reasons to punish him, of course (for example, your belief that he should be banned because you don't like him), but none of them are actually justified. Nobody, so far, has been able to show how removing him from the community will have any positive effect. Until they do, the cries for bans should be ignored, and those doing the crying should be treated with the disdain they deserve. That's you, by the way.

[protagonist]

That's funny; we ban normal players for stealing accounts and have their websites taken down for having websites that claim to be Graalonline (I'm sure I would also be banned if I did something like this). Were Loriel not a scripter, I am certain he would be globally banned, not just forum banned.

I think that it would be a justified ban. It violates the rule of common sense, something someone in a global staff position should have. If I went on a playerworld and saw someone advertising a link for a site like that, my first action would be to take a screenshot and have Spark globally ban him/her. Don't pretend that you all wouldn't do the same thing; you're just circling the wagons.

You're asking yourself the silly question "does this violate a rule"? Does "arbitrarily" banning a person violate any rule?* No, it doesn't. The rules clearly state a Graalonline Admin reserves the right to revoke access based on their judgement. In my judgement, apparently Moonie's as well, and that of several other users, this act is inappropriate.

*I'm not conceding that this ban would be arbitrary, either.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by brock128

You act like this is the only thing he's done.

What else?

using the exploit to, as far as we know, your advantage?

What advantage? I sacrificed (expecting to be banned) my account to get fixed what you call an exploit. That is not exactly a horribly unfair advantage.

It's called common sense. I don't think it's listed because it's so painstakingly obvious.

So I can make up reasons to get someone banned, announce it as common sense, and have Moonie banned for, dunno, living in Florida? There are a lot of evil people in Florida!

You <3

I have not used any services under someone else's name/account/whatsoever. I think falsely accusing people of crimes is not legal.

Well gee, I guess since my bank doesn't have anything in the rules that say I can't hack their servers to get millions of dollars, then I can do so without any legal trouble.

You are again mixing up banhammer-illegal and prison-illegal.
The bank is not going to omg ban you, but instead they are going to have you jailed.
If any of those whose accounts I stole (a.k.a. no one) wishes to sue me, go ahead.

you're a *****

Oh, that proves your points. Nevermind my post.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by protagonist

You're asking yourself the silly question "does this violate a rule"? Does "arbitrarily" banning a person violate any rule?* No, it doesn't. The rules clearly state a Graalonline Admin reserves the right to revoke access based on their judgement. In my judgement, apparently Moonie's as well, and that of several other users, this act is inappropriate.

*I'm not conceding that this ban would be arbitrary, either.

That is your interpretation, which is clearly irrelevant.

[Darlene159]

Kai, if I wanted to ban Loriel, I would have already.....I dont wish to ban anyone.
I knew why Loriel had done what he did, but that does not justify him doing something that would get anyone else banned, I should have banned him, and I apologize to the rest of the community for not doing my job because of Loriel's positin, and knowing the reasons why he did what he did. If I had thought for a second, that Loriel was actually stealing password, I would have instantly banned, but I knew why he did it, so I did not....even though a regualr member, or anyone else would have been banned, anyone sending links like this in game would be banned.

Kai, the only attack you are giving me is that I said "he broke the rules", ok so there is no specific rule that he broke, I will refrase it...what he did was wrong and bannable, and you cannot say it wasnt bannable, because people are getting banned for those kinds of links all the time.

You people act as if you think you really know Loriel...none of us do unless any one of you know him in real life, any one of use could do something corrupt at any given time for all you know. Nemesis did.....

I dislike the message this thread is sending other members of this community, and I dont want to go into detail on this statement for obvious reasons, but with Kai and Loriel's awesome, "noone can touch me", intelligence, I am sure they can figure it out

You're asking yourself the silly question "does this violate a rule"? Does "arbitrarily" banning a person violate any rule?* No, it doesn't. The rules clearly state a Graalonline Admin reserves the right to revoke access based on their judgement. In my judgement, apparently Moonie's as well, and that of several other users, this act is inappropriate.

You are correct

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

You people act as if you think you really know Loriel...none of us do unless any one of you know him in real life, any one of use could do something corrupt at any given time for all you know. Nemesis did.....

I absolutely fail to see your point.
I do not know you. Please remove your moderation powers because I am afraid that you will go corrupt and delete random threads. oh, wait, it is not corrupt if you do it.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Loriel

I absolutely fail to see your point.
I do not know you. Please remove your moderation powers because I am afraid that you will go corrupt and delete random threads. oh, wait, it is not corrupt if you do it.

That isnt the point I was making, and you know it

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

That isnt the point I was making, and you know it

No, not really.

[dlang]

Originally Posted by Loriel

No, not really.

That shows how little sense you have.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Kai, if I wanted to ban Loriel, I would have already.....I dont wish to ban anyone.

That seems at odds with your earlier statements.

Kai, the only attack you are giving me is that I said "he broke the rules"

Attack? What are you talking about?

ok so there is no specific rule that he broke, I will refrase it...what he did was wrong and bannable

Everything is 'bannable'. Can you actually explain how banning him would have any positive effect, though?

any one of use could do something corrupt at any given time for all you know. Nemesis did.....

Nemesis was always a corrupt idiot. Anybody with eyes could've seen it from the start. Do not compare him to Loriel.

Obviously you feel that some people can be trusted more than others or you would not advocate their having powers. Was Unixmad wrong to appoint you to supermod, without knowing you completely?

[MagicalTux]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Everything is 'bannable'. Can you actually explain how banning him would have any positive effect, though?

Maybe for him to understand that doing something bad wasn't the solution to the problem...
Even if he couldn't contact me on ICQ, there's many other ways to contact me...

[brock128]

Everything is 'bannable'. Can you actually explain how banning him would have any positive effect, though?

Said it once, say it again - One less unstable Global.

And I already stated one act of corruption, but it seems nobody read the topic, so I'll say it again. Back when I was ET on 2k1, he was screwing with my events. Stole the prize money, pretty sure he started taking a nukeshot and started blowing stuf up. That's the one thing that I recall off the top of my head, but I also thought there was something on 2k2 with his corruption.

I do know that Loriel is very unstable, and I have no idea why he's a global, and why people seem to trust him so much.

[WanDaMan]

Loriel should be banned, and I hope he does get banned for it if he hasn't been banned yet.

If it was someone else like Pie for instance, he'd get banned in a second..
Even if he seems responsable, didn't Nemesis?

Eventhough he hasn't broke a rule, it's still wrong and something needs to be done about it.

[dlang]

Loriel is banned at this time.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by MagicalTux

Maybe for him to understand that doing something bad wasn't the solution to the problem...

You haven't yet shown that his actions were "bad" in any meaningful sense. Example: You used some flawed grammar in your post. This is unquestionably bad. Should you be banned in the hopes that you will learn not to do it again?

Again: Bans are only justified if it can be shown that they stand a reasonable chance of improving the board. Nobody has yet done that here.

Originally Posted by brock128

Said it once, say it again - One less unstable Global.

No matter how many times you say it, the words will carry no weight unless you back them up. Horror stories of distant corruption are hardly convincing evidence.

In any case, if he should be banned, it shouldn't be in response to this event.

[brock128]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

No matter how many times you say it, the words will carry no weight unless you back them up. Horror stories of distant corruption are hardly convincing evidence.

In any case, if he should be banned, it shouldn't be in response to this event.

That's great except...
a) My hard drive crashed a while ago, so I lost my cashe of pictures.
b) I'm not even AT my computer now, vacation.
c) He's banned anyway, so yeah.

[Malinko]

Banned for doing a fake joke? What is the world coming to? It's a small joke and little harmless fun, it's not like it would kill you. Think of it this way, the Graal Code of Conduct says you shouldn't enter your password anywhere to log in to any site that isn't affliated with GraalOnline, people who did, you chose to do what you did, and you should pay for that instead of complaining. He has no right to be banned for something you chose to do. Please grow up?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by brock128

That's great except...
a) My hard drive crashed a while ago, so I lost my cashe of pictures.
b) I'm not even AT my computer now, vacation.

Therefore we should just assume that you are right?

[dlang]

Kaimetsu, you must not have any common sense if you compared something such as grammar to what Loriel has done.

Originally Posted by Malinko

Banned for doing a fake joke? What is the world coming to? It's a small joke and little harmless fun, it's not like it would kill you. Think of it this way, the Graal Code of Conduct says you shouldn't enter your password anywhere to log in to any site that isn't affliated with GraalOnline, people who did, you chose to do what you did, and you should pay for that instead of complaining. He has no right to be banned for something you chose to do. Please grow up?

He attempted to steal passwords, it does not matter in the least that he was joking around. If you walk up to someone on the street and assault them with a steel bar, the police aren't going to care if you were playing around or not.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by dlang

Kaimetsu, you must not have any common sense if you compared something such as grammar to what Loriel has done.

He attempted to steal passwords, it doesn't not matter in the least that he was joking around. If you walk up to someone on the street and bust them upside the head with a steel bar, the police aren't going to care if you were playing around or not.

How do you know? Maybe the log on did nothing but a redirection? If you do not know the code, you can't prove anything. It could have been some joke that didn't log anything at all. If you go try it, meaning you are risking YOUR OWN user name and password.

Also, this is the internet, nothing else.

[dlang]

Originally Posted by Malinko

How do you know?

Exactly, you don't know. Thats the problem. You don't know if he did or didn't, but there is always a chance that he did, and that chance is enough for a ban.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by dlang

Exactly, you don't know. Thats the problem. You don't know if he did or didn't, but there is always a chance that he did, and that chance is enough for a ban.

It's your job to look and see what site you're on, don't always trust computers to take you to the rightful place? That is why pop-ups annoy people =).

[dlang]

Originally Posted by Malinko

It's your job to look and see what site you're on, don't always trust computers to take you to the rightful place? That is why pop-ups annoy people =).

That is irrelevant.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by dlang

That is irrelevant.

How so? It's irrelevant since YOU logged onto to a site without checking what it is?

Anyways, I must go do some things in life, so I don't have any more time to argue this topic til later, but let me point something out.

Loriel for GM!

[dlang]

Originally Posted by Malinko

How so? It's irrelevant since YOU logged onto to a site without checking what it is?

I never viewed that site because it was removed before I came to this topic.
(Removed by Loriel after people started questioning it, from what I hear)

Its irrelevant because the action in this case that would deserve a ban is an attempt.

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Loriel for GM!

what the.......

[dlang]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

what the.......

My sentiments exactly...

[MagicalTux]

Originally Posted by Malinko

How so? It's irrelevant since YOU logged onto to a site without checking what it is?

Being the webmaster of a site which looks like Graal (forums or not) with password fields is bad.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Everything is 'bannable'. Can you actually explain how banning him would have any positive effect, though?

No positive effect, but it negates the negative effect that makes it appear that globals get away with things normal players do not get away with.

[MagicalTux]

Anyway we're really far away from the original topic.

The original topic of this thread is about the new tags. They allow you to do nice things, like putting an image and some text near the image, like my "Bomb Technician" on this post.

(Note that if this thread continues going out-topic, it may end closed)

[VeX_RaT_Boy]

Originally Posted by MagicalTux

Being the webmaster of a site which looks like Graal (forums or not) with password fields is bad.

That means no one can have a fan site or a webpage for their playerworld? THAT is bad.

[MagicalTux]

"with password fields" <-- I mean password fields which looks like Graal ones, and may confuse the user.

That's all.

Now let's come back to our topic...

[Goboom]

Originally Posted by MagicalTux

"with password fields" <-- I mean password fields which looks like Graal ones, and may confuse the user.

That's all.

Now let's come back to our topic...

Okay, so where is my image zooming script!?
EDIT: ERRR...HACK!

[brock128]

Originally Posted by VeX_RaT_Boy

That means no one can have a fan site or a webpage for their playerworld? THAT is bad.

Fansites don't take the graal forums design to trick people into giving their username and password for harvesting purposes.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Banned for doing a fake joke? What is the world coming to? It's a small joke and little harmless fun, it's not like it would kill you. Think of it this way, the Graal Code of Conduct says you shouldn't enter your password anywhere to log in to any site that isn't affliated with GraalOnline, people who did, you chose to do what you did, and you should pay for that instead of complaining. He has no right to be banned for something you chose to do. Please grow up?

What makes you think it was a "fake" joke? If you had bothered to read any of this thread at all, you would have seen that there was nothing fake about it, Loriel posted it publically to show an exploit because he couldn't get the quick response he desired from MagicalTux on the subject, not to mention he enjoyed seeing how many members would fall for it.How do you know it was harmless fun? How do you know he didnt plan on using those passwords? You dont, anymore than I dont know for sure, we dont "think" he would do that, but we can never know for sure. Your theory that we should pay, as members, because we click on a link un-knowingly, is really lame.
Banned for what "we" chose to do? How about banned for what "he" chose to do?

Being the webmaster of a site which looks like Graal (forums or not) with password fields is bad.

Yes, and Loriel (being a global scripter) had to have known that

No positive effect, but it negates the negative effect that makes it appear that globals get away with things normal players do not get away with.

Exactly....it does not matter what purpose their was for what was done, it was wrong, and noone else would have gotten by with it

Sorry, Robert....back on topic please