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[Thallen]

I believe when my account password was stolen, someone tried pulling this same stunt, and got the account globally banned. I guess Loriel gets special treatment though, right?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Thallen

I believe when my account password was stolen, someone tried pulling this same stunt, and got the account globally banned. I guess Loriel gets special treatment though, right?

Same here, except it was only my forum account...something better be done because the clickable link was up there long enough for many people to click on it. Maybe I should ban him....

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Same here, except it was only my forum account...something better be done because the clickable link was up there long enough for many people to click on it. Maybe I should ban him....

Maybe you should ban yourself? That's like, a good idea too? Right? Him being a Global, Loriel knows the consequences had he used any information he gained. It's the users fault for falling for such an easy prank. I doubt Loriel, had he even gained a username or password, would even do anything with it. Having and using information are totally different things.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Scott

Maybe you should ban yourself? That's like, a good idea too? Right? Him being a Global, Loriel knows the consequences had he used any information he gained. It's the users fault for falling for such an easy prank. I doubt Loriel, had he even gained a username or password, would even do anything with it. Having and using information are totally different things.

You can sugar coat it all you want, it wont make it any more right

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

You can sugar coat it all you want, it wont make it any more right

That's sweet (Ha, a pun.) coming from you. Do you mean to tell me you have never made any pranks or tricks against anyone?

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

You can sugar coat it all you want, it wont make it any more right

Assuming loriel did have such a thing, would it not be more wise to understand that to be a demonstration of how these new thread tags could be misused rather than an attempt to steal people's passwords? The latter could be expected of a lowlife antigraalian, but Loriel is not such.

Some of you folks want respect for your positions, I say: give some in return. Don't disrespect Loriel by categorizing him with the low.

[MagicalTux]

Anyway I'm going to block such things.

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[Thallen]

Originally Posted by Scott

That's sweet (Ha, a pun.) coming from you. Do you mean to tell me you have never made any pranks or tricks against anyone?

Hey, I have before, and I was banned for it. Why do I get harsh treatment, yet global staff doesn't?

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by MagicalTux

Anyway I'm going to block such things.

Thanks. That was my point. When will it be fixed?

[Splke]

Er.. you could of simply pointed that flaw out, instead of trying to use it..

Very uncool, but hey, I guess Thallen's new word 'favoritism' is going to stick with you Loriel. Good job.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Splke

Er.. you could of simply pointed that flaw out, instead of trying to use it.

Hey, it was a practical experiment with value beyond a simple pointing-out that nobody would have listened to.

Very uncool, but hey, I guess Thallen's new word 'favoritism' is going to stick with you Loriel. Good job.

That is cool, but why would anyone listen to such lying and slandering folks like Thallen?

[MagicalTux]

Originally Posted by Loriel

Thanks. That was my point. When will it be fixed?

It is already

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Lance

Assuming loriel did have such a thing, would it not be more wise to understand that to be a demonstration of how these new thread tags could be misused rather than an attempt to steal people's passwords? The latter could be expected of a lowlife antigraalian, but Loriel is not such.

Some of you folks want respect for your positions, I say: give some in return. Don't disrespect Loriel by categorizing him with the low.

Yea, and nemesis was once trusted also....Loriel could have discussed this with MagicalTux instead of putting it on the forums.
Gee, what did we learn on the forums today kids?
We learned how to exploit a bug to steal account/passwords.
Like I said, if a normal member had done this,even if they were trying to "show a flaw", they would have been immediately banned (I wont catorgorize regular members as low lifes, sorry).
Noone is saying Loriel is a low life, but they are pointing out that he was wrong in what he did, and the fact that anyone else would have been banned...........

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Yea, and nemesis was once trusted also...

Dare not compare me with Nemesis. That line sucks, but more concice ways of putting it sound less dramatic

Gee, what did we learn on the forums today kids?

How to fix an exploit.

they would have been immediately banned

Perhaps under your regime of stupidity.

anyone else would have been banned...........

So rejoice.

[Mafukie]

wow, thats actually really disturbing...

[Crono]

loriel is the type of global who's quiet and knows how to do naughty things but his leet global powers stops anything from happening to him.

ps.Thallen's banishment on GK was unjust

[brock128]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Ok, that's bullcrap...if a member of these forums had pulled a stunt like that, they would have been immediately, and permanently banned issed:

And yet Loriel is still here.

Originally Posted by Scott

Maybe you should ban yourself? That's like, a good idea too? Right? Him being a Global, Loriel knows the consequences had he used any information he gained. It's the users fault for falling for such an easy prank. I doubt Loriel, had he even gained a username or password, would even do anything with it. Having and using information are totally different things.

Doing and having are two different things. Both are illegal, actually, if I remember correctly.

And it doesn't matter if it's "lol ez prank." Not everybody is computer savvy here.

Originally Posted by Loriel

Thanks. That was my point. When will it be fixed?

Why didn't you just post about it?

Originally Posted by Loriel

Hey, it was a practical experiment with value beyond a simple pointing-out that nobody would have listened to.

I would have.

That is cool, but why would anyone listen to such lying and slandering folks like Thallen?

Pot (to kettle): lol ur black lol

In closing, don't take pitty on him just because he's a global. That's called corruption, kiddies. We already have enough of that on graal. Take out the /banhammer.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally Posted by Lance

Assuming loriel did have such a thing, would it not be more wise to understand that to be a demonstration of how these new thread tags could be misused rather than an attempt to steal people's passwords?

No man, there is no wise reasoning to an unwise action.

anyway, yeah, what moonie said:

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Yea, and nemesis was once trusted also....Loriel could have discussed this with MagicalTux instead of putting it on the forums

Blarg, if only i'd gotten up earlier i could have said that first

oh well *High fives moonie* Ohh, that felt weird, but this is one of the infrequent times when she's right.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Gerami

loriel is the type of global who's quiet and knows how to do naughty things but his leet global powers stops anything from happening to him.

What I do does not hurt anyone.

ps.Thallen's banishment on GK was unjust

That would be an interesting opinion, if you had any insight that would qualify you to make a judgement. Which is not the case.

Originally Posted by brock128

And yet Loriel is still here.

You can say goodbye to me already.

Doing and having are two different things. Both are illegal, actually, if I remember correctly.
And it doesn't matter if it's "lol ez prank." Not everybody is computer savvy here.

I never had any intentions of doing remotely evil things with this. That lol ez prank attitude is not mine.

Why didn't you just post about it?

Did I not already answer this?

I would have.

And would you have fixed it?

Pot (to kettle): lol ur black lol

Try making sense.

In closing, don't take pitty on him just because he's a global. That's called corruption, kiddies. We already have enough of that on graal. Take out the /banhammer.

Go ahead.

[Monkeyboy_McGee]

Originally Posted by Loriel

You can say goodbye to me already.

Bye man o_o

I never had any intentions of doing remotely evil things with this. That lol ez prank attitude is not mine.

Oyeah, ok, i'll just take your word for it, since i instantly trust some text on my computer screen enough to believe it when it says that

Did I not already answer this?

No man, suddenly donning a low self esteem and claiming that nobody would have listened to you is not a valid reason.

[Kaimetsu]

This is stupid. Do you people even know what bans are for? What possible purpose could be served by removing Loriel from the community?

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Monkeyboy_McGee

i instantly trust some text on my computer

Would you trust some other text to convince you otherwise?
And, what the hell would I do with stolen accounts?

No man, suddenly donning a low self esteem and claiming that nobody would have listened to you is not a valid reason.

That is not an issue of lack of self esteem, but one of ignorance.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Loriel

And, what the hell would I do with stolen accounts?.

Uh, the same thing other people who steal passwords do with the stolen accounts?
Let's not forget, we dont know you...even if we have talked to you on these forums or on Graal for several years, we still dont know you....just like noone really knew Nemesis. When you put that crap on these forums, you put all kinds of doubt in peoples minds, whether that was your intention or not (I would seriously change my password if I clicked on that link, which I will because I dont remember if I did or not now x.x).

You were 100% wrong, why dont you just suck it up, and admit that what you did was not the appropriate way to do things.
You did it on purpose to see how many members would fall for it because you thought it would be funny...now that is real professionalism there from a global member of this community

This is stupid. Do you people even know what bans are for? What possible purpose could be served by removing Loriel from the community?

I will tell you what purpose it would serve, it would tell the members of this community that we are all equal when it comes to the rules....that globals are not exempt from following the same rules that the rest of the community have to follow

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Uh, the same thing other people who steal passwords do with the stolen accounts?

... ? That makes so much sense for me.

I will because I dont remember if I did or not now x.x

Clicking of links cannot steal passwords.

You were 100% wrong

You were `` 100% wrong '' repeatly before, and failed to realise that. What makes you think that you can now judge wrongness to that extent?

why dont you just suck it up, and admit that

Eh? Perhaps because there is the slim possibility that your opinion, despite the passion you spread it with, is not the only choice.

what you did was not the appropriate way to do things.

You certainly are able to understand that just saying `` hey, [imgr]-tags can be abused, remove them '' would not have changed anything.
I have been trying to contact Robert to fix this, he apparently ignores me.

You did it on purpose to see how many members would fall for it because you thought it would be funny...

Well, if you say so.

now that is real professionalism there from a global member of this community

I do not think that you are one to speak of professionalism, especially with such a professional emoticon. You still refuse to invest any thought beyond pure flaming into what happened, so your repeated attacks to not prove any point.

I will tell you what purpose it would serve, it would tell the members of this community that we are all equal when it comes to the rules...

I wish that was true.

that globals are not exempt from following the same rules that the rest of the community have to follow

Not arguing any other point, I would like you to quote the exact rule I broke.

[Goboom]

There is also no proof that that form "stole" passwords from users also if it did steal passwords it would only steal the forum password, its your fault if you choose not to change your forum account password to something diffrent than your Graal Account Password.

All that Loriel really could have done is make the dumb people that fell for this "prank" sound more intelligent by posting for them.

Moonie, you have to look at more than one side of the picture.
The globals now-a-days are too "ban hammer" happy.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Goboom

The globals now-a-days are too "ban hammer" happy.

There is about one global with a ban hammer these days.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by MagicalTux

It is already

Oh, now it is.

[davidpsy]

Yeah I guess Loriel proved a point, but I think it is unfair how had someone who was nonglobal done the same thing they probably would have been banned.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by davidpsy

Yeah I guess Loriel proved a point, but I think it is unfair how had someone who was nonglobal done the same thing they probably would have been banned.

Exactly .

[MagicalTux]

Loriel, next time, you should just PM me, it would save you, me and everyone from a lot of trouble.

Now I'd like everyone to calm down a bit. Don't answer too fast, and think before posting. Make intelligent posts, not flood, and stop saying "It's xxx fault" or things like that, it looks like a "Kindergarden" (I forgot the english word, so you'll have the german one... Stefan's influence, probably...)

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Goboom

There is also no proof that that form "stole" passwords from users also if it did steal passwords it would only steal the forum password, its your fault if you choose not to change your forum account password to something diffrent than your Graal Account Password.

All that Loriel really could have done is make the dumb people that fell for this "prank" sound more intelligent by posting for them.

Moonie, you have to look at more than one side of the picture.
The globals now-a-days are too "ban hammer" happy.

Ok, let me get this straight then...it would be ok if someone else did the same thing, and it would be the members fault for falling for it? It doesnt make people dumb to click on a link in someone's sig, not everyone thinks that everyone else is out to hurt graal or it's members, I had my forums account password stolen already, one time because I clicked on a link that appeared to be a valid forum link...sound familiar? I am certainly not stupid, but I will never click on another link again, heck, I dont even know that I want to click on any link on the forums again, except that I have to, because it's my job to make sure links are appropriate =/

I see both sides, I really do....but the appropriate thing to do would have been to discuss this in private with Robert, not exploit it on the forums, no matter what the reason for doing it. Loriel, I said that you did what you did for fun because you actually told me that, not because it was my opinion....

Just because Robert didnt reply, doesn't mean he wasn't working on the problem

Goboom, that last part of your post really shocked me...as if to say it would be ok for Loriel to steal the forum account to make the members seem more intelligent...who are you to say they are not intelligent, and why do you make it seem as if this would be right?

I have been on Graal for many years, I think I have learned what is legal and what is illegal, I have seen what people get banned for, and what they have not gotten banned for, and I have also watched some globals abuse things because they know they can...tell me, Loriel...If someone had sent a link on GK or whatever place you work on, that was like the link that you had on here, what would you have done?

Now I'd like everyone to calm down a bit. Don't answer too fast, and think before posting. Make intelligent posts, not flood, and stop saying "It's xxx fault" or things like that, it looks like a "Kindergarden" (I forgot the english word, so you'll have the german one... Stefan's influence, probably...)

I am not trying to flame anyone, I am trying to make a point...the point being that a global should not get away with doing something illegal just because he thinks he has a legitament reason for doing so

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by MagicalTux

Loriel, next time, you should just PM me, it would save you, me and everyone from a lot of trouble.

You do not ever respond to my ICQ messages. What do you expect?

I forgot the english word

I do not think there is one.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Loriel

You do not ever respond to my ICQ messages. What do you expect?

Could have forum pmed it

I do not think there is one.

Stop acting like immature kids would be the word.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Loriel

I do not think there is one.

Creche, perhaps? With an accent circonflexe?

Meh I gave my password to Loriel with that, but I didn't thought he'd use it to steal my password or anything. I changed it just in case, but I didn't thought Loriel would be able to do so. Besides, deeds speak louder then words.

kthxbai

[davidpsy]

The point is, Loriel may have done a good thing by doing what he did. But it is not fair that he gets away with it just because he is a global.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Besides, deeds speak louder then words.

And deed anything bad happen because you clicked on my link yet?

[MagicalTux]

[QUOTE=Loriel]You do not ever respond to my ICQ messages. What do you expect?QUOTE]

I don't remember you were on my ICQ list... and I don't see you in.

If you are not on my ICQ list, all messages you send are ignored. Also when I'm at the office (the only place where I use ICQ), only a few people can see if I'm online and can contact me. Other's messages are not displayed.

If you have something to tell me, forums PM is the best way.


MagicalTux

[davidpsy]

I personally think loriel did this for kicks and is just now saying he did it to prove a point to get out of being banned, but that just me and I do not have proof for such.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

It doesnt make people dumb to click on a link in someone's sig,

It certainly does not appear too cautious to enter login data on an unknown website.

not everyone thinks that everyone else is out to hurt graal or it's members,

Which I am not. If you could just stop impliedly accusing me of that, we could drop this topic... ?

I am certainly not stupid

That is just as debatable as your accusations.

but I will never click on another link again

Sigh. You might as well stop using the web then.

heck, I dont even know that I want to click on any link on the forums again, except that I have to, because it's my job to make sure links are appropriate =/

Some common web sense to figure out what is legitimate and what is not might help.
I give you the point about the ``I had my forums account password stolen already, one time because I clicked on a link that appeared to be a valid forum link'', but what I did was pretty obvious.

the appropriate thing to do would have been to discuss this in private with Robert

Did I not try? I do not think that such fun ignorant settings are my fault.

I think I have learned what is legal and what is illegal

And yet many people repeatly disagree with you about this.

tell me, Loriel...If someone had sent a link on GK or whatever place you work on, that was like the link that you had on here, what would you have done?

How is randomly sending a link comparable to what I did?

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by davidpsy

The point is, Loriel may have done a good thing by doing what he did. But it is not fair that he gets away with it just because he is a global.

You completely make sense here. You know, if we let people get away with doing good things, very good things might happen, and we do not want that, do we?