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Darlene159 · #1 08-10-2004, 10:05 PM

I am done with this conversation, you talk in circles Loriel...and what you are saying here is different then what you said on AIM.

I will say this...if anyone EVER does something like this again, I dont care who it is, and I dont care what reason you have for doing so....I will not hesitate to ban them, let this be fair warning

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Loriel as a global was doing his job, by showing people the flaw.
He did make an attempt to contact Tux, it is not his fault Tux did not respond.

"the people" did not need to see the flaw, only the person who can fix it needed to see it, and saying "I tried to contact so and so, but he ignored me" sounds like what the members said in the illegal threads that are removed all the time...I dont do double standards

Loriel · #2 08-10-2004, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

saying "I tried to contact so and so, but he ignored me" sounds like what the members said in the illegal threads that are removed all the time...

What does that mean?

Darlene159 · #3 08-10-2004, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

What does that mean?

It means, that you dont get to do something that is against the rules just because you cant get ahold of the appropriate person right away, and do not ask me again what rule that you broke...go read the Graal rules

Loriel · #4 08-10-2004, 10:36 PM

The appropriate person ignored my messages, Moonie.

Lance · #5 08-11-2004, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

do not ask me again what rule that you broke...go read the Graal rules

If you say he broke a rule, the burdon of proof is yours, not his. I say this merely because I am curious about which rule he broke, as well...

Crono · #6 08-10-2004, 10:42 PM

Actually hold on a second. Doesnt Loriel get a warning first?

Loriel · #7 08-10-2004, 10:46 PM

Why would I get a warning? No one is even able to show me a rule I broke.

GoZelda · #8 08-10-2004, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

Why would I get a warning? No is even able to show me a rule I broke.

Actually, those that fell for your trick broke a rule, because they gave out their password

Loriel · #9 08-10-2004, 10:52 PM

Indeed.

And:

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Discussions of bans are not permissible. If you have a question about a ban or would like to make an appeal, contact the relevant administrator by Forum PM (Private Message) or by e-mail.

If you feel that you have been wronged by a moderator, contact a higher member of staff such as a supermod or admin, and calmly explain the situation. Do not disregard what you have been told, regardless of whether or not you consider it fair or reasonable.

Moonie, stop discussing whether I am to be banned. Instead, you should contact a higher member of staff and calmly explain the situation.

Turles_is_back · #10 08-10-2004, 11:37 PM

Ha ha ha ha. This is great. Sadly I missed it 'cause I was in school.

Ha ha ha.

*steps out*

Darlene159 · #11 08-11-2004, 12:04 AM

Ok, Loriel...you are just acting like a little kid now....you did it, you got by with it, you had your fun, you proved your point....end of discussion

Loriel · #12 08-11-2004, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

you did it, you got by with it, you had your fun, you proved your point...

I am glad you agree with me

Darlene159 · #13 08-11-2004, 01:44 AM

lol, so if there is no specific rule for what was done, it is ok?
You know, I am getting a really bad feeling about this.....

Goboom · #14 08-11-2004, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

lol, so if there is no specific rule for what was done, it is ok?
You know, I am getting a really bad feeling about this.....

The feeling that you have finally realized you are wrong about something?
Even though you have been wrong a million times.

brock128 · #15 08-11-2004, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

Way to win an argument.

You act like I still care.

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

I will say this...if anyone EVER does something like this again, I dont care who it is, and I dont care what reason you have for doing so....I will not hesitate to ban them, let this be fair warning

Way to make a bad judgement and not ban him.

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Originally Posted by Loriel

The appropriate person ignored my messages, Moonie.

Because he didn't know you were contacting him.
Read -> Comprehend -> Post

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Originally Posted by GoZelda

Actually, those that fell for your trick broke a rule, because they gave out their password

They were scammed into doing so. Scamming = illegal.

And since nobody can point a finger as to what rule he broke, I will. He (attempted anyway) to scam people of their accounts. I'm sure it's in the ToS, but I can't find it in the trainwreck of a website.

Lance · #16 08-11-2004, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by brock128

You act like I still care.

Well, you posted.

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They were scammed into doing so. Scamming = illegal.

Calling a sheep's tail a leg does not make it one.

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And since nobody can point a finger as to what rule he broke, I will. He (attempted anyway) to scam people of their accounts. I'm sure it's in the ToS, but I can't find it in the trainwreck of a website.

"And since nobody can point a finger as to what rule he broke...I can't either".

He did not try to scam anyone out of their accounts, as has been duly noted.

Loriel · #17 08-11-2004, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by brock128

Because he didn't know you were contacting him.
Read -> Comprehend -> Post

Yeah, and that is my fault how?

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Originally Posted by MagicalTux

I do not expect people to contact me via ICQ. You can mail and use forum PMs.
Note that my ICQ number isn't displayed anywhere on Graal...

But we talked on ICQ before.

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

lol, so if there is no specific rule for what was done, it is ok?

No, there are still these catch-all clauses in the rules. I was just upset with your `` read the rules yourself to find out which one you broke '' attitude.

Galdor · #18 08-11-2004, 01:49 AM

... shhh!

Zalastri · #19 08-11-2004, 04:31 AM

I'd trust loriel with my account, hell he has access to all of our gold accounts items and stuff >.>. I find it odd that Moonie is still staff, she is abbrahsive (Spelling?) to the community. I know loriels a decent guy and she should know that about her fellow.. staffers.. =\

MagicalTux · #20 08-11-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Where is this rule?

In France, there is a law that covers password stealing (it's about accessing a service with someone's else identity I think..)
Anyway, it's more than obvious, stealing people's password is forbidden...

Loriel · #21 08-11-2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicalTux

Iit's about accessing a service with someone's else identity I think..

What wrecked fool would do that?

Kaimetsu · #22 08-11-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicalTux

In France, there is a law that covers password stealing (it's about accessing a service with someone's else identity I think..)

Well, the internet isn't France, and Moon Goddess isn't a policewoman anyway. Her job is to enforce the forum rules.

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Anyway, it's more than obvious, stealing people's password is forbidden...

All I am arguing is that Loriel didn't actually break a rule, because there was no rule for him to break.

brock128 · #23 08-11-2004, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Well, you posted.
Calling a sheep's tail a leg does not make it one.
"And since nobody can point a finger as to what rule he broke...I can't either".
He did not try to scam anyone out of their accounts, as has been duly noted.

Name one other use for it. Yes, feel free to run circles around me and say "TO POINT OUT THE EXPLOIT." I'll just say again "He could have contacted somebody." and you'd say "He tried and they ignored him", and then I'd say "He didn't try hard enough - and he should have used Forum PMs or posted a topic about it."

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How has this prank revealed that Loriel is either corrupt or unstable?

You act like this is the only thing he's done.

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Originally Posted by Loriel

Yeah, and that is my fault how?

For not trying hard enough to contact him, and instead using the exploit to, as far as we know, your advantage?

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Where is this rule?

It's called common sense. I don't think it's listed because it's so painstakingly obvious.

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Originally Posted by Loriel

What wrecked fool would do that?

You <3

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

All I am arguing is that Loriel didn't actually break a rule, because there was no rule for him to break.

Well gee, I guess since my bank doesn't have anything in the rules that say I can't hack their servers to get millions of dollars, then I can do so without any legal trouble.

you're a *****

Kaimetsu · #24 08-11-2004, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by brock128

You act like this is the only thing he's done.

I act like this is the thing Moon Goddess wants to ban him over. Which it is.

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It's called common sense. I don't think it's listed because it's so painstakingly obvious.

It's not a rule. Therefore: The various claims that Loriel broke a rule are unfounded. I await an alternate reason to ban him.

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Well gee, I guess since my bank doesn't have anything in the rules that say I can't hack their servers to get millions of dollars, then I can do so without any legal trouble

Actually, there's a law against that.

The problem here is that you're very stupid. You lack any useful intellect, but without regard for this fact you are attempting to interpret my posts in a rational way. Inevitably, you fail. However, at times I can be wildly optimistic, so I'm going to explain my stance in greater detail, in the vain hope that you might actually understand it.

Loriel did something that, according to many people, is bad. Many say that he should be banned. Some of them are making the mistake of thinking that he broke the rules, and, as an upstanding member of the community, I took it upon myself to correct them. Loriel did not break any rules.

Read that last sentence again. Here it is: Loriel did not break any rules. Note that it is not quite the same as this sentence: Loriel did not do anything wrong. The first one is the one that I said. The second one is something you invented in your little tiny head. Indeed, I think that Loriel should not have done what he did, but that changes nothing. Loriel did not break any rules.

There are other possible reasons to punish him, of course (for example, your belief that he should be banned because you don't like him), but none of them are actually justified. Nobody, so far, has been able to show how removing him from the community will have any positive effect. Until they do, the cries for bans should be ignored, and those doing the crying should be treated with the disdain they deserve. That's you, by the way.

Loriel · #25 08-11-2004, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by brock128

You act like this is the only thing he's done.

What else?

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using the exploit to, as far as we know, your advantage?

What advantage? I sacrificed (expecting to be banned) my account to get fixed what you call an exploit. That is not exactly a horribly unfair advantage.

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It's called common sense. I don't think it's listed because it's so painstakingly obvious.

So I can make up reasons to get someone banned, announce it as common sense, and have Moonie banned for, dunno, living in Florida? There are a lot of evil people in Florida!

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You <3

I have not used any services under someone else's name/account/whatsoever. I think falsely accusing people of crimes is not legal.

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Well gee, I guess since my bank doesn't have anything in the rules that say I can't hack their servers to get millions of dollars, then I can do so without any legal trouble.

You are again mixing up banhammer-illegal and prison-illegal.
The bank is not going to omg ban you, but instead they are going to have you jailed.
If any of those whose accounts I stole (a.k.a. no one) wishes to sue me, go ahead.

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you're a *****

Oh, that proves your points. Nevermind my post.

teshy2 · #26 08-11-2004, 01:40 PM

I click and click Loriel and click Loriel again and again but I get no free gralats!!~
Omagawd, I'm going to sue your pants off for false advertising. >:O

protagonist · #27 08-11-2004, 03:52 PM

That's funny; we ban normal players for stealing accounts and have their websites taken down for having websites that claim to be Graalonline (I'm sure I would also be banned if I did something like this). Were Loriel not a scripter, I am certain he would be globally banned, not just forum banned.

I think that it would be a justified ban. It violates the rule of common sense, something someone in a global staff position should have. If I went on a playerworld and saw someone advertising a link for a site like that, my first action would be to take a screenshot and have Spark globally ban him/her. Don't pretend that you all wouldn't do the same thing; you're just circling the wagons.

You're asking yourself the silly question "does this violate a rule"? Does "arbitrarily" banning a person violate any rule?* No, it doesn't. The rules clearly state a Graalonline Admin reserves the right to revoke access based on their judgement. In my judgement, apparently Moonie's as well, and that of several other users, this act is inappropriate.

*I'm not conceding that this ban would be arbitrary, either.

Loriel · #28 08-11-2004, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by protagonist

You're asking yourself the silly question "does this violate a rule"? Does "arbitrarily" banning a person violate any rule?* No, it doesn't. The rules clearly state a Graalonline Admin reserves the right to revoke access based on their judgement. In my judgement, apparently Moonie's as well, and that of several other users, this act is inappropriate.

*I'm not conceding that this ban would be arbitrary, either.

That is your interpretation, which is clearly irrelevant.

Darlene159 · #29 08-11-2004, 04:10 PM

Kai, if I wanted to ban Loriel, I would have already.....I dont wish to ban anyone.
I knew why Loriel had done what he did, but that does not justify him doing something that would get anyone else banned, I should have banned him, and I apologize to the rest of the community for not doing my job because of Loriel's positin, and knowing the reasons why he did what he did. If I had thought for a second, that Loriel was actually stealing password, I would have instantly banned, but I knew why he did it, so I did not....even though a regualr member, or anyone else would have been banned, anyone sending links like this in game would be banned.

Kai, the only attack you are giving me is that I said "he broke the rules", ok so there is no specific rule that he broke, I will refrase it...what he did was wrong and bannable, and you cannot say it wasnt bannable, because people are getting banned for those kinds of links all the time.

You people act as if you think you really know Loriel...none of us do unless any one of you know him in real life, any one of use could do something corrupt at any given time for all you know. Nemesis did.....

I dislike the message this thread is sending other members of this community, and I dont want to go into detail on this statement for obvious reasons, but with Kai and Loriel's awesome, "noone can touch me", intelligence, I am sure they can figure it out

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You're asking yourself the silly question "does this violate a rule"? Does "arbitrarily" banning a person violate any rule?* No, it doesn't. The rules clearly state a Graalonline Admin reserves the right to revoke access based on their judgement. In my judgement, apparently Moonie's as well, and that of several other users, this act is inappropriate.

You are correct

Loriel · #30 08-11-2004, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

You people act as if you think you really know Loriel...none of us do unless any one of you know him in real life, any one of use could do something corrupt at any given time for all you know. Nemesis did.....

I absolutely fail to see your point.
I do not know you. Please remove your moderation powers because I am afraid that you will go corrupt and delete random threads. oh, wait, it is not corrupt if you do it.

Darlene159 · #31 08-11-2004, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

I absolutely fail to see your point.
I do not know you. Please remove your moderation powers because I am afraid that you will go corrupt and delete random threads. oh, wait, it is not corrupt if you do it.

That isnt the point I was making, and you know it

Loriel · #32 08-11-2004, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

That isnt the point I was making, and you know it

No, not really.

dlang · #33 08-11-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

No, not really.

That shows how little sense you have.

Kaimetsu · #34 08-11-2004, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Kai, if I wanted to ban Loriel, I would have already.....I dont wish to ban anyone.

That seems at odds with your earlier statements.

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Kai, the only attack you are giving me is that I said "he broke the rules"

Attack? What are you talking about?

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ok so there is no specific rule that he broke, I will refrase it...what he did was wrong and bannable

Everything is 'bannable'. Can you actually explain how banning him would have any positive effect, though?

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any one of use could do something corrupt at any given time for all you know. Nemesis did.....

Nemesis was always a corrupt idiot. Anybody with eyes could've seen it from the start. Do not compare him to Loriel.

Obviously you feel that some people can be trusted more than others or you would not advocate their having powers. Was Unixmad wrong to appoint you to supermod, without knowing you completely?

protagonist · #35 08-11-2004, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Everything is 'bannable'. Can you actually explain how banning him would have any positive effect, though?

No positive effect, but it negates the negative effect that makes it appear that globals get away with things normal players do not get away with.

MagicalTux · #36 08-11-2004, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Everything is 'bannable'. Can you actually explain how banning him would have any positive effect, though?

Maybe for him to understand that doing something bad wasn't the solution to the problem...
Even if he couldn't contact me on ICQ, there's many other ways to contact me...

brock128 · #37 08-11-2004, 04:54 PM

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Everything is 'bannable'. Can you actually explain how banning him would have any positive effect, though?

Said it once, say it again - One less unstable Global.

And I already stated one act of corruption, but it seems nobody read the topic, so I'll say it again. Back when I was ET on 2k1, he was screwing with my events. Stole the prize money, pretty sure he started taking a nukeshot and started blowing stuf up. That's the one thing that I recall off the top of my head, but I also thought there was something on 2k2 with his corruption.

I do know that Loriel is very unstable, and I have no idea why he's a global, and why people seem to trust him so much.

WanDaMan · #38 08-11-2004, 04:57 PM

Loriel should be banned, and I hope he does get banned for it if he hasn't been banned yet.

If it was someone else like Pie for instance, he'd get banned in a second..
Even if he seems responsable, didn't Nemesis?

Eventhough he hasn't broke a rule, it's still wrong and something needs to be done about it.

Kaimetsu · #39 08-11-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicalTux

Maybe for him to understand that doing something bad wasn't the solution to the problem...

You haven't yet shown that his actions were "bad" in any meaningful sense. Example: You used some flawed grammar in your post. This is unquestionably bad. Should you be banned in the hopes that you will learn not to do it again?

Again: Bans are only justified if it can be shown that they stand a reasonable chance of improving the board. Nobody has yet done that here.

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Originally Posted by brock128

Said it once, say it again - One less unstable Global.

No matter how many times you say it, the words will carry no weight unless you back them up. Horror stories of distant corruption are hardly convincing evidence.

In any case, if he should be banned, it shouldn't be in response to this event.

brock128 · #40 08-11-2004, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

No matter how many times you say it, the words will carry no weight unless you back them up. Horror stories of distant corruption are hardly convincing evidence.

In any case, if he should be banned, it shouldn't be in response to this event.

That's great except...
a) My hard drive crashed a while ago, so I lost my cashe of pictures.
b) I'm not even AT my computer now, vacation.
c) He's banned anyway, so yeah.

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