Global Development Team

[WanDaMan]

i.e not helping people?, isn't my fault I didn't get an education is it?
Prooven my theory about GST doing nothing for no one unless their account name is stefan, rawr.

[Kristi]

When Enigma was under review, Loriel and PS ran though all the scripts to check for security and npc server efficiency. I am not quite sure if that falls under nothing, because it seems to be something to me.

[SSJ2_Gogeta]

The GST does work. Their job is to make sure scripts are efficent and secure on servers.
Its impossible for them to go on every single server but if you contact Loriel he usually responds.

[syltburk]

Fact is that you are talking about two persons, and there is more on the GST team... Sure maybe Loriel does work, I think I never said anything about that GST doesn't work. Atleast I havn't said anything about Loriel doing a bad job.

I just thinks that its stupid that some people feels that level making isn't special, or is to "easy" or to "common" so level makers that actually are good get no credit for that just "Yeah well there is others", one day there will be no more level makers that actually have some quality and isn't lazy bums.

Also, It still remains that level making can do the very same things as GST, its just in a different development area. What I have learned is that there is a lack of respect to level makers, you might think "No we respect them", but It doesn't sound like it. The way you act isn't right to us. We maybe doesn't need a global level team, I acept that. But what the hell? Since when did level making become a second hand job.
There is alot off servers that is in need of LAT's, do you know why they doesn't have any? Because it is actually not that easy to find level makers, atleast level makers that will work and put effort in it. Most have quit due the lack of "need".

[dlang]

I quit level making because of the lack of "inspiration"
I'd still like to help others on how to make things better though, but unfortunatly there is no global position for the profession I think counts more than others. Scripts & GFX useless without levels to put them in.

[Milkdude99]

Originally Posted by dlang

I quit level making because of the lack of "inspiration"
I'd still like to help others on how to make things better though, but unfortunatly there is no global position for the profession I think counts more than others. Scripts & GFX useless without levels to put them in.

This was explained already on why a Levels Global Team is not needed.

[dlang]

Graal can't be sued over levels etc. I know...

And unixmad doesn't want more Global RCs...

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by dlang

Graal can't be sued over levels etc. I know...

And unixmad doesn't want more Global RCs...

oms graal can be sued by scripts?!psata! (deletes all the stolen crap*)

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally Posted by dlang

And unixmad doesn't want more Global RCs...

Yet this R0bin fellow got one?

oh well its the same for playerworlds too right? No More Classic?

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

oms graal can be sued by scripts?!psata! (deletes all the stolen crap*)

Graal can be comprimised by script (ie hacked, cheated, security holes out the wazoo)

I think Kai stated this somewhere already, but that problem does not exist with levels.

Scripts can bog down the npc server, levels cannot

This is all just being repeated, do not let it go through your empty head this time.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by dlang

unfortunatly there is no global position for the profession I think counts more than others. Scripts & GFX useless without levels to put them in.

Unfortunately, you could say the exact same thing about the other two departments.

Sorry, but no.

[WanDaMan]

a script can clog up the npc server, i.e

if(created) timeout = 0.05;
if(timeout){
for(i=0;i<10000;i++){
sendtorc i;
}
timeout=0.05;
}

or something similar

[osrs]

Originally Posted by Blue_Dragn

Yet this R0bin fellow got one?

He deserved it.

[protagonist]

Hi, global levels team is an excuse to be lazy and not make your own levels.

Any average person can read the tutorials and make a good level.

Graphics require a large measure of talent. You can't just read a tutorial and make a standard graphic, and if you did, you'd have to be able to make all sorts of things with that ability, not just a tree or bush.

Scripts require alot of mathematical coherence and logic which alots of players lack. It's not impossible to become mathematically coherent or logical, but it's alot harder than both graphics and levels because it changes a fundamental part of your life. Trust me. Learning to script completely changed how I did math, and I now get 96/97/98s because of it. It requires alot of dedication if you do not already have such tools available.

(By the way, I sort of dropped scripting once I heard about the new language so that I could take up C and get ready for it. So don't ask me to script for you, I haven't kept it up and do not remember alot of it outside of mathematics)

[Aknts]

Hello... Guess who is back. Anyways I have talked to Stefan about this many times and he told me to get a team ready for a Global Level Team in which I did and we never talked further about it. I have talked to him on 2 occasions in which he loved the idea but that was as far as it got.

[ETD]

Originally Posted by Aknts

Hello... Guess who is back. Anyways I have talked to Stefan about this many times and he told me to get a team ready for a Global Level Team in which I did and we never talked further about it. I have talked to him on 2 occasions in which he loved the idea but that was as far as it got.

This explains a lot...

And I think Stefan says he likes a lot of ideas... since it makes him look better to those people =X just a thought though...

Anyways, if the GLT will actually be made, you'd think he would post about it by now...

[Aknts]

He told me to lead a team for it and all so I got a team and then he would never reply after that.

[WanDaMan]

Well what ever he said isn't going to come to plan. It's obvious they don't want a working team on the global team, heh.
This thread should be closed

meanys.

[Dach]

Originally Posted by protagonist

Any average person can read the tutorials and make a good level.

Leveling takes talent
the only problem is that having global RC is not needed, the only thing it would accomplish is a boost in general PW level quality. You can just go from server to server asking if they need any help and get the same results. Even if the server denies your help because they don't know you and/or your not endorsed Globally, then that is the PW's problem.

[Milkdude99]

I agree it does take talent as well as vision to think up new ways to use tiles. I don't think the "average " person can make what is needed today.

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by Dach

Leveling takes talent
the only problem is that having global RC is not needed, the only thing it would accomplish is a boost in general PW level quality. You can just go from server to server asking if they need any help and get the same results. Even if the server denies your help because they don't know you and/or your not endorsed Globally, then that is the PW's problem.

It does take a certain degree of talent, but it's easily attainable compared to the other two fields. Why do you think there are so many LATs in retrospect to the number of GATs or NATs?

[dlang]

It may be easy to learn to make levels, but its not as easy to be very good at it and have a good imagination to aid in your creations.

Making levels is about being able to apply your thoughts into a level effectively.

[Dach]

Originally Posted by protagonist

It does take a certain degree of talent, but it's easily attainable compared to the other two fields. Why do you think there are so many LATs in retrospect to the number of GATs or NATs?

Yeah, but if you jack up your quality expectations, there really aren't that many decent level makers. Tiling is one thing, making a whole map (that's actually good!) is a whole 'nother ball game

Ganis on the other hand...

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by protagonist

It does take a certain degree of talent, but it's easily attainable compared to the other two fields. Why do you think there are so many LATs in retrospect to the number of GATs or NATs?

Because people think Level Making is easier, and so they try it, and go
"I R M L33t LAT!"

Working a script and actually getting it to work, is frusterating, and a working script cant just be "laid" down, so i guess people tend to avoid that.