Babylon...

[Mykel]

Anyone play Babylon recently? Kudos to all Bab staff, you have made the server into a very fun server. Wow, such a turn-around. It looks great.

[Thallen]

I hope you're joking...

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Thallen
I hope you're joking...

Its quite a popular server, got quite alot of stuff too.
I haven't played it for ages though, but I talk to people who say its still very good

[dlang]

Originally posted by Thallen
I hope you're joking...

You're just mad because you got banned, unbanned, and rebanned a whole bunch of times. I mean your ban reason has a scroll bar on it ;o

[Mykel]

No, I am not joking dude. It is actually quite fun. Excellent events.

[D1ce2]

Enigma stole the events:P

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Thallen
I hope you're joking...

Again another logical post by Thall.

I guess you are overlooking all the bad stuff which i guess many people feel outweighs the good stuff, which is very few to begin with

[thesaiyan]

Originally posted by dlang


You're just mad because you got banned, unbanned, and rebanned a whole bunch of times. I mean your ban reason has a scroll bar on it ;o

Heh, when he was known as Eli or whatever he had a ban reason sooo long on SL.

[Divider]

Originally posted by thesaiyan


Heh, when he was known as Eli or whatever he had a ban reason sooo long on SL.

Yeah, and I can't think why, since he's such an easy guy to like n all


Not played Bab recently, played a few months back for awhile..was cool, but got bored of Graal again.

[WHIPENIE4]

i havent really spent more then 30 minutes on it since lord helmut left the first manager.

oh yea. using event ideas aren't bad. but Taking the level Style is a no no. My event doesnt need anything but a tag team area and I dont care if playerworlds use Allstar but it pisses me off when they go on Classic as its being hosted then 10 minutes after they goto another server and try and host it there and say they made it. It's retarded.

[--Chris--]

Babylon is not only one of the worst servers content wise but it's also caught breaking PWA policies just about every day I pretty much hate it.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by --Chris--
Babylon is not only one of the worst servers content wise but it's also caught breaking PWA policies just about every day I pretty much hate it.

Erm, evidently you havn't played some other servers.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by --Chris--
Babylon is not only one of the worst servers content wise but it's also caught breaking PWA policies just about every day I pretty much hate it.

Suggestion: If you know of something they are doing that is against PWA Policies , then by all means contact one of us at the PWA so we can look into it. But if you do please provide real proof and not simply accusations of wrong doing. Just saying because I say-so just doesn't cut the mustard.

[Crono]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Just saying because I say-so just doesn't cut the mustard.

Now the real question is, what cuts mustard =O!!


Babylon is an ok playerworld, sure it has broken a PWA rule (probably more) but

1) It's staff aren't corrupt. If they are the manager(s) actually -do-something about it.

2) Players can get their playerhouses/guild houses/misc things like cafes and probably inns uploaded easily. As long as it complies with babylon's standards and fits into the rules.

I can't think of much right now, god im tired and bored.

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Gerami
1) It's staff aren't corrupt. If they are the manager(s) actually -do
something about it.

***** you are joking right? I have seen instances where staff give themselves the items they are selling, i have reported many instances, but they are just brushed aside.

Not to mention that most, if not all, of the staff are friends, thus their positions.

Do not attempt to say something like "Well its a good thing they hire people they can trust" because that is just not right at all.

2) Players can get their playerhouses/guild houses/misc things like cafes and probably inns uploaded easily. As long as it complies with babylon's standards and fits into the rules.

*****

[Genesis]

Originally posted by Blue_Dragn


***** you are joking right? I have seen instances where staff give themselves the items they are selling, i have reported many instances, but they are just brushed aside.

Not to mention that most, if not all, of the staff are friends, thus their positions.

Do not attempt to say something like "Well its a good thing they hire people they can trust" because that is just not right at all.



*****

If you dont like it so much why do u play there so you can complain?

[--Chris--]

"Suggestion: If you know of something they are doing that is against PWA Policies , then by all means contact one of us at the PWA so we can look into it. But if you do please provide real proof and not simply accusations of wrong doing. Just saying because I say-so just doesn't cut the mustard." - MG

Obviously they aren't just accusations, do you really think I would make such a statement if they were? You gotta be kidding me, of course I have backup - I don't think it's neccessary to post them here. Ususally I make a report in the GGT forum, handle the situation by contacting their staff members myself and when they don't comply just tell Spark or Tseng. Being PWA you should know Babylon is one of those servers "on thin ice" according to Spark, try considering that before doubting me. Next time don't be so ignorant.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by --Chris--
"Suggestion: If you know of something they are doing that is against PWA Policies , then by all means contact one of us at the PWA so we can look into it. But if you do please provide real proof and not simply accusations of wrong doing. Just saying because I say-so just doesn't cut the mustard." - MG

Obviously they aren't just accusations, do you really think I would make such a statement if they were? You gotta be kidding me, of course I have backup - I don't think it's neccessary to post them here. Ususally I make a report in the GGT forum, handle the situation by contacting their staff members myself and when they don't comply just tell Spark or Tseng. Being PWA you should know Babylon is one of those servers "on thin ice" according to Spark, try considering that before doubting me. Next time don't be so ignorant.

No try not posting any reference to things like this on the Forum, blame your own ignorance for posting that and getting the proper reply you should have gotten. I never said post anything here , getting in contact with the PWA on something doesn't include posting on the Forums about it. What Spark says about any PW in confidence in a PM or a chat program doesn't need to be posted here and you are very wrong in doing so. You are not handling it very well if you are posting about it here.

[--Chris--]

"No try not posting any reference to things like this on the Forum, blame your own ignorance for posting that and getting the proper reply you should have gotten." - MG

It's true, it's not much of a private matter, it's the reason I dislike them - I need one of those (unless you prefer if I just said "I hate Babylon" and give no reason.)

Secondly;

Ignorant: "Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge"


"But if you do please provide real proof and not simply accusations of wrong doing. Just saying because I say-so just doesn't cut the mustard." - MG

"I never said post anything here" - MG

Woah, make up your mind. I haven't posted anything except there has been problems (like just about every other PW.)

"What Spark says about any PW in confidence in a PM or a chat program doesn't need to be posted here and you are very wrong in doing so."

This isn't really a "confident" matter. They know it, their players know it, staff know it (or should - I'd use you for an example ) - the public knows it. Even if they didn't "omg babylon is _almost_ in trouble for doing wrong things people - this knowledge is so exclusive and rare, I mean...no PWs ever break rules and no threads are ever created about it and I'm sure no-one talks about it " Oh almost forgot "there is totally a rule about it too "

"What Spark says about any PW in confidence in a PM or a chat program doesn't need to be posted here and you are very wrong in doing so." - MG

That's assuming it was in confidence. I believe he has mentioned it outside of where-ever he said it or where it was said was already some-what public (can't recall exactly.) Otherwise you're only some-what right.

"You are not handling it very well if you are posting about it here. " - MG

No, you're right - my original post stating why I dislike the server with minimal details and it being something commonly found just about everywhere is wrong. You just have to always find some way to attempt to attack me don't you ^-^? Thanks for making things uneccessarily tense.

[Divider]

Handbags are five pacies ladies.

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by Genesis


If you dont like it so much why do u play there so you can complain?

This is such a common assumption and i love when everyone will shoot this out before anything else.

Of course no one would know the past i have with babylon, at least not so many people on the forums anyways.

I just like to go because somewhere, i believe they might change what they are doing, and shift to a positive and direct manner.

[Milkdude99]

It's true, it's not much of a private matter, it's the reason I dislike them - I need one of those (unless you prefer if I just said "I hate Babylon" and give no reason.) --Chris--

Any problems with a PW is a private matter and against Forum rules to post it here, you know this ................


Woah, make up your mind. I haven't posted anything except there has been problems (like just about every other PW.)--Chris--

Again you don't post problems on the Forum for the already formentioned reasons.


This isn't really a "confident" matter. They know it, their players know it, staff know it (or should - I'd use you for an example ) - the public knows it. Even if they didn't "omg babylon is _almost_ in trouble for doing wrong things people - this knowledge is so exclusive and rare, I mean...no PWs ever break rules and no threads are ever created about it and I'm sure no-one talks about it " Oh almost forgot "there is totally a rule about it too "--Chris--


They talk about it plently in the channels they are supposed to , email or on a chat program not on the Forums.


You just have to always find some way to attempt to attack me don't you ^-^? Thanks for making things uneccessarily tense. --Chris--


Really and now you resort to trying to make your case by lying? Seeing this is the only post I have ever said anything of this nature to you at all. In fact it is only the second post I have EVER said anything to you at all so how does this constitute "always finding ways to attack you?" I suggest if you can find proof of what you claim to take it to the powers at be because that's harassment. But I would be careful of making false reports it has a way of backfiring on you. :|

[WHIPENIE4]

why does every topic turn into a war? I mean come on. Enigma everyone fought about. UN is fought about, i'll keep my comments to myself, Babylon now? i mean don't you have anything better to do? Lets all pick our feet up off da ground, put them on our little stool and listen to some good old Pac.

[Divider]

Originally posted by WHIPENIE4
why does every topic turn into a war? I mean come on. Enigma everyone fought about. UN is fought about, i'll keep my comments to myself, Babylon now? i mean don't you have anything better to do? Lets all pick our feet up off da ground, put them on our little stool and listen to some good old Pac.

This one looks interesting though for once.

[Alexander]

Well I'm happy to see someone has some positive comments about Babylon.

I been sort of active/nonactive over the last 3 weeks due to a computer problems.

Chris, you can notify me about the problem and I can fix it, I think you know my AIM screenname, or you could just forum pm me. I know babylon is on the edge, but I want to change that very much >.<

[dlang]

Originally posted by Alexander
Well I'm happy to see someone has some positive comments about Babylon.

I been sort of active/nonactive over the last 3 weeks due to a computer problems.

Chris, you can notify me about the problem and I can fix it, I think you know my AIM screenname, or you could just forum pm me. I know babylon is on the edge, but I want to change that very much >.<

DL leaving helped =)

[SingleChance]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Any problems with a PW is a private matter and against Forum rules to post it here, you know this ................

What the hell?
It's not against the rules to post if you have a problem with a pw...

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by SingleChance


What the hell?
It's not against the rules to post if you have a problem with a pw...

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/a...?s=&forumid=15

[--Chris--]

"Any problems with a PW is a private matter and against Forum rules to post it here, you know this ................ " - MG

"Threads made to inflict harm, damage or offence to a single person, playerworld or a minority, will be closed. And should NOT be posted in the first place. " - Rules

1) I didn't create a thread to personally bash them or so. 2)I wouldn't consider posting they've had problems in minimal detail (even though it's a fact) "made to inflict harm, damage or offense."3) It isn't a personal attack considering I also mentioned _all_ PWs have problems.

"Again you don't post problems on the Forum for the already formentioned reasons." - MG

Again, this isn't a specific problem. On another note; the mods are doing a pretty bad job if this is the case, refer to the following + loads of other threads such as the ones bashing Enigma and NW:

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...threadid=50082

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...threadid=50165

"They talk about it plently in the channels they are supposed to , email or on a chat program not on the Forums."

That's suppose to be justification against:

"This isn't really a "confident" matter. They know it, their players know it, staff know it (or should - I'd use you for an example ) - the public knows it. Even if they didn't "omg babylon is _almost_ in trouble for doing wrong things people - this knowledge is so exclusive and rare, I mean...no PWs ever break rules and no threads are ever created about it and I'm sure no-one talks about it " Oh almost forgot "there is totally a rule about it too " especially considering everything else I've said above?

"Really and now you resort to trying to make your case by lying? Seeing this is the only post I have ever said anything of this nature to you at all. In fact it is only the second post I have EVER said anything to you at all so how does this constitute "always finding ways to attack you?" I suggest if you can find proof of what you claim to take it to the powers at be because that's harassment. But I would be careful of making false reports it has a way of backfiring on you. " - MG

Lying?
"But if you do please provide real proof and not simply accusations of wrong doing. Just saying because I say-so just doesn't cut the mustard." - MG <---Right, I'm sure that wasn't provokative at all =D

"In fact it is only the second post I have EVER said anything to you at all so how does this constitute "always finding ways to attack you?" " -MG

Forgot about those threads during PWA hirings?

" I suggest if you can find proof of what you claim to take it to the powers at be because that's harassment." - MG

Irrelevant.

" But I would be careful of making false reports it has a way of backfiring on you." - MG

"You" better mean in general and not specifically directed to me. Also irrelevant.

Edit: Alexander, you've never done anything before - I don't expect you to do anything now. The only staff member on Babylon that actually does something and corrects + moderates the others behavior is ASM - God alone knows why she cares for the server so much.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by SingleChance


What the hell?
It's not against the rules to post if you have a problem with a pw...

Problems in the sense they are bashing ( PW suxs , Staff suxs ect) and not a problem like they can't connect or are stuck, something to that nature.

Rules as posted on the Forum

Do not make threads to bash a playerworld. If you have a problem you wish to report please contact a member of the Playerworld Administration. If you have a problem that can be sorted out locally (jails, scams, some bans etc... please contact a staff member on the playerworld first)

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by --Chris--

Forgot about those threads during PWA hirings?

Might want to read those post again.

[Alexander]

Originally posted by --Chris--
Edit: Alexander, you've never done anything before - I don't expect you to do anything now. The only staff member on Babylon that actually does something and corrects + moderates the others behavior is ASM - God alone knows why she cares for the server so much.

Everyone has their own view

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Alexander


Everyone has their own view

Yep yep I agree with you on that Alex ..

[Lance]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Problems in the sense they are bashing ( PW suxs , Staff suxs ect) and not a problem like they can't connect or are stuck, something to that nature.

Rules as posted on the Forum

Please note the wording of the final part of the rule:

If you have a problem that can be sorted out locally (jails, scams, some bans etc... please contact a staff member on the playerworld first)

I bolded the relevant words. I hope you possess the intelligence to extrapolate my point from that.

[Blue_Dragn]

Originally posted by --Chris--
The only staff member on Babylon that actually does something and corrects + moderates the others behavior is ASM - God alone knows why she cares for the server so much.

She is the only one left who cares i bet, but saying that like that, would be like denying that someone else cared. Someone else does care, they just arent there anymore.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Lance

Please note the wording of the final part of the rule:



I bolded the relevant words. I hope you possess the intelligence to extrapolate my point from that.

That rule was added after I Forum PM'ed Spark , that the rule was missing and after I had already posted so your post is irrelevant. So next time have the intelligence to know what you are talking about before you post. I added that rule after Spark had posted it to my post.

[DarkShadows_Legend]

:on topic:

Babylon is ok. It is probably the only playerworld that still has some decent pking on it. When I want to pk I go there since pking died out on the other well populated playerworlds.

:off topic:
I just read those rules.

Complaints about a Playerworld:

If you have a problem with a member of staff, do NOT post about it here. It is against the rules to post negatively about a single person. You should go directly to the Playerworld Administration. Or the manager of that playerworld.

It doesn't say anything about having a problem with the content of a playerworld.

Posted by -Chris-
Babylon is not only one of the worst servers content wise but it's also caught breaking PWA policies just about every day I pretty much hate it.

There is truth to his statement. There is always at least one staff member breaking rules daily. I'll go online and find one probably by the end of the day.
I don't see how this single post can be considered offensive and shouldn't be allowed?

All posts should be constructive.

Doesn't mean all will be constructive in a positive way and doesn't say they have to be constructive. :/

Threads made to inflict harm, damage or offence to a single person, playerworld or a minority, will be closed. And should NOT be posted in the first place.

If the original intent is to promote a playerworld then how is a thread going to be deemed as illegal halfway? Shouldn't the posts that caused the shift from positive criticism to negative, be deleted before it gets out of control?