Who harasses who...?

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by busyrobot


No SS? maybe she didn't realize she was about to be setup.



Trying to contrive a threat where there was none to attempt to get someone banned is well, quite an abuse I think.

It only serves to make it harder for actuall threats to be taken seriously when you abuse it like this, not like you care.




Like I've said, there needs to be logs.

dustari brigade to make BS up to fend for their queen.

sad.

Point is: She said it, it was taken as a threat, it should be treated as a threat. Watch what you say if you don't want to end up in this situation.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Tseng

I wonder if you blame your probation officer, or the police, for whatever it was you were arrested and brought to court for. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you did.

tseng i lol@ u too, because I was found innocent for the actions that I was put under house arrest and whatnot for, and no longer have a house arrest or any court penalties. Ok. That is all.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Torankusu
tseng i lol@ u too, because I was found innocent for the actions that I was put under house arrest and whatnot for, and no longer have a house arrest or any court penalties. Ok. That is all.

Your story changes to suit your mood and the circumstances.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Tseng


Your story changes to suit your mood and the circumstances.

Explain to me to how the hell you can prove I am on house arrest or any county/state penalties for legal issues? You cannot, thus, you have no foundation to accuse me of lying. I was proved INNOCENT as in NOT GUILTY for the things I was accused of doing; the only thing I got in trouble for was a citation (oh that's nothing, $30 and poof) for violating Curfew.

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by Torankusu
dustari brigade to make BS up to fend for their queen.

sad.

Point is: She said it, it was taken as a threat, it should be treated as a threat. Watch what you say if you don't want to end up in this situation.

Princess, Calani is the Queen.

As you know, she did not say it, it was not taken as a threat, it was taken as something to twist into a threat, as you obviously premeditated it to be.

Note what Tseng noticed about the locations of people, etc.
You obviously faked it, and to top it off, it's the word of someone who was proven to commit CC fraud against someone of outstanding character, you loose Toran.


Not only that, but you should be dealt with for faking such a thing.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Torankusu
Explain to me to how the hell you can prove I am on house arrest or any county/state penalties for legal issues? You cannot, thus, you have no foundation to accuse me of lying. I was proved INNOCENT as in NOT GUILTY for the things I was accused of doing; the only thing I got in trouble for was a citation (oh that's nothing, $30 and poof) for violating Curfew.

I was referring yet again to past experience, where your story about what you did between bannings changed with the wind.

Besides, you rather missed the point of my post, instead choosing to digress into debating a humorous comment I added at the end.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by busyrobot


Princess, Calani is the Queen.

As you know, she did not say it, it was not taken as a threat, it was taken as something to twist into a threat, as you obviously premeditated it to be.

Why is it only Dustari people saying it wasn't a threat? How do you know? maybe she realised she could get into deep trouble for it and is changing her story and saying the context was different?

Note what Tseng noticed about the locations of people, etc.
You obviously faked it,

faked what? oh, right, I edited a screenshot. with what and how? I have no freaking graphics talent.

and to top it off, it's the word of someone who was proven to commit CC fraud against someone of outstanding character, you loose Toran.

lol, explain to me why i was unbanned because i didn't do that lol @ u padren.

matter of fact, lol @ dustari.

[DevilsDice]

Originally posted by Tseng
I wonder if you blame your probation officer, or the police, for whatever it was you were arrested and brought to court for. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you did.

Thats a low blow man... You shouldnt go into his real life... It has no relevence here... Shame on you...

<rest of tsengs post>

OK, nonetheless, you are avoidding the matter at hand. People can leave, and be re-recruited into Dustari, no questions asked, which is an abuse of power at their fault...

Of course, nothing is going to happen, because the oh so horrid was threatened of death, but NAY! If I call Zoe / Wren a *****, all hell breaks loose...

BULL****

Somebody is favoring somebody...

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by Torankusu
[B]

[b]
faked what? oh, right, I edited a screenshot. with what and how? I have no freaking graphics talent.

-- no, you manipulated the context, by being selective, you know the difference, you wouldn't play dumb about it if you had nothing to loose.

[b]lol, explain to me why i was unbanned because i didn't do that lol @ u padren.

you were unbanned for cc fraud against GK/Cyberjouer

I was shown the records by a friend of mine, one of your victims.

It is proven, but you cannot ban for wire fraud against third parties, as it doesn't involve Cyberjouer.

So, you are not banned, but still a thief and a miserable excuse for a human. sorry to sound harsh, but it's true if you commit CC fraud on people

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by busyrobot

There's no proof padren, don't even bring it up.


edit: What you are talking about is not CC Fraud, get your claims straight.

[busyrobot]

I'll bring it up because I saw the proof myself Toran, you did it and we both know it.

You don't get to pick which of your missdoings you are called on and which you get to have ignored.

[gozen]

Originally posted by busyrobot


-- no, you manipulated the context, by being selective, you know the difference, you wouldn't play dumb about it if you had nothing to loose.

you were unbanned for cc fraud against GK/Cyberjouer

I was shown the records by a friend of mine, one of your victims.

It is proven, but you cannot ban for wire fraud against third parties, as it doesn't involve Cyberjouer.

So, you are not banned, but still a thief and a miserable excuse for a human. sorry to sound harsh, but it's true if you commit CC fraud on people

Ok, what the hell is that supposed to say, you didn't quote the post right.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Torankusu


edit: What you are talking about is not CC Fraud, get your claims straight.

[busyrobot]

edit: What you are talking about is not CC Fraud, get your claims straight.

Fraudulent Stop-Payments are CC fraud. However, you may have more experience with the nuances of this topic, so if you know a better term, let me know.

[DevilsDice]

OK, less stray from the poor soul who was threatened of his life and more stray from CC talk...

If you have nothing of rellevence to the fact that Dustari is corrupted and just as well being as "bad" as Torankusu was, then you need to leave.

HAAH! and for once I can stay!

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by DevilsDice
OK, less stray from the poor soul who was threatened of his life and more stray from CC talk...

If you have nothing of rellevence to the fact that Dustari is corrupted and just as well being as "bad" as Torankusu was, then you need to leave.

HAAH! and for once I can stay!

You are beating a dead horse.

If no one is engaging you on that topic, read back to the time where it was demonstrated in previous posts that your logic would not be worse regarding your charges of corruptness.

It's simple:
you were invading dustari you fool
You try to provoke an attack with 'invading dustari' tags no less and then cry like a child when you get it.

That is why no one is responding to your 'corruption' charges.

As for the belief that toran is hiding in the corner in his room for fear of zoe coming to get him, rofl. You know as well as he that the sequence of those screen shots are complete and utter BS

Better regroup and try plan B, whatever that is.

[busyrobot]

If you have nothing of rellevence to the fact that Dustari is corrupted and just as well being as "bad" as Torankusu was, then you need to leave.

as bad as toran was? I thought he was supposed to be a little angel given as a gift to all mankind from the gods above....when did you or he once admit to being 'bad'?

not in this lifetime.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by busyrobot
As for the belief that toran is hiding in the corner in his room for fear of zoe coming to get him, rofl.

i live in virginia too, you never know, people here are f'ing psychos.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by busyrobot


as bad as toran was? I thought he was supposed to be a little angel given as a gift to all mankind from the gods above....when did you or he once admit to being 'bad'?

not in this lifetime.

you know little.

[Torankusu]

About faking the screenshots or switching the order.......:

Notice something.
zoe-live, I have -24/51 GP...zoe-kill I have 8/51...zoe-live i have 11/87 SP...zoe-kill i have 16/87 GP...Kind of odd that I have more GP/SP after she says she's gonna kill me, right? Obviously zoe-live happened before zoe-kill.

[DevilsDice]

Regardless, the point is, people are allowed in and out of a kingdom... Thats my main problem. I have nothing against Zoe / Wren in the least...

Hell, I was going to Dusty to go in their castle and say "HAHA DUSTY IM IN YOUR CASTLE".... Jus so happens all this happened...

Nonetheless, using a name "Invading Dustari" was jus funnier towards my initial joke...

DX has done it before, but nay, Toran is here, so it is bad automatically... You all have said to "drop it" but nonetheless, your bring up the past...

Anywhom, I think you guys need to solve this "Leave and kill somebody, then rejoin because I ask..."

You should have to RP out of the kingdom at all times, not just, /kingdom leave boom bow kill somebody b/s

Its rather retarded...

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Torankusu
zoe-live, I have -24/51 GP...zoe-kill I have 8/51...zoe-live i have 11/87 SP...zoe-kill i have 16/87 GP...Kind of odd that I have more GP/SP after she says she's gonna kill me, right? Obviously zoe-live happened before zoe-kill.

The order is not the only thing up for debate. There seems to have been a fair amount of time between the two statements, suggesting that other conversation elements could have occured between the two.

[DevilsDice]

The order is not the only thing up for debate. There seems to have been a fair amount of time between the two statements, suggesting that other conversation elements could have occured between the two.

He named the screen shots, meaning his computer could of lagged, and allowed something to go by he wanted to catch, or nothing went by and he jus is a slow mofo

[busyrobot]

how do you propose, devilsdice, that we then deal with idiots who are supposed to be allies that are attacking dustari?

"It's all bad because toran's there" what is this??????

You know the history, he's been harrassing dusties for a long time, it's not an innocent little joke at that point

Like I said, you lost this argument a long time ago.



And thanks Kaimetsu, nice to see someone who is not accused of being biased post.

[gozen]

Wow, these arguments are really intense. I really just think the issue is the rejoining, perhaps a time buffer ((1 hour?)) between leaving and joining should be added.

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by DevilsDice


He named the screen shots, meaning his computer could of lagged, and allowed something to go by he wanted to catch, or nothing went by and he jus is a slow mofo

now that does not make sense, you can paste them without naming them until later, you know that, what are you attempting to say?

Are you now trying to say they didn't happen right after each other?

That they aren't in sequence or something??

[DevilsDice]

how do you propose, devilsdice, that we then deal with idiots who are supposed to be allies that are attacking dustari?

I was OOC STUPID. The tag was off, I WAS OOC. AREN. ANYOTHER WAY YOU WANNA SAY IT.... I was not at the time (( and If I felt like it i woulda removed from forest getting me killd faster. >.> )) on tag, or even Argosax or Cress...

"It's all bad because toran's there" what is this??????

Erm, did I say that? Toran was there, BIG FRIGGIN WHOOP... We were on Dustari and fight broke out... Wasnt bad cuz toran was there, so lest i missed something...

You know the history, he's been harrassing dusties for a long time, it's not an innocent little joke at that point

Lol. So, Tec removing himself and somehow getting back in and killing BOTH ME WHILE ON TAG, and following Toran through maps and killing him isnt Harrassment? If you want it too stop, then somebody has too first. And Toran is too hard-headed to stop...

Like I said, you lost this argument a long time ago.

Bull****. Nobody but you protested against it. Chris isnt here to say anything, Tseng said nothing about it, I dont think Craigus even has Forum access... I havent lost anything, except for sanity and a will to go on... Despite that, I have yet to lose to your corrupt ways.

When Toran used to leave and rejoin (( via Brad )) Brad and him were both kicked, and when asked to rejoin (( via me )) I said no, and blocked them. NOBODY is allowed to do that. If you are in a Kingdom, you are considered a RPing person(s). Not do "/kingdom leave infront of somebody and beat them senseless then magically get back in so you cant die" b/s...

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by busyrobot



now that does not make sense, you can paste them without naming them until later, you know that, what are you attempting to say?

Are you now trying to say they didn't happen right after each other?

That they aren't in sequence or something??

I think he means that I named them when I took them meaning I wasn't looking at the graal screen and it took a few seconds (5+) for me to save them....

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by DevilsDice
He named the screen shots, meaning his computer could of lagged, and allowed something to go by he wanted to catch, or nothing went by and he jus is a slow mofo

You're missing the point. The time Torankusu took to make the screenshots is irrelevant, because the world does not wait for him to be ready before throwing the next ball. There was a reasonably large amount of time between the two screenshots - time in which Zoe probably said other things.

[busyrobot]

Originally posted by gozen
Wow, these arguments are really intense. I really just think the issue is the rejoining, perhaps a time buffer ((1 hour?)) between leaving and joining should be added.

it's intense because this guy is trying to set up a friend of mine to be banned, which in addition to being dishonest, I think is against the EULA, regarding interferring with people's enjoyment of the game. (getting them banned fraudgulently will do that)


They guy also made life hell for a lot of people, some of whom left.

Here's the lowdown:

he sexually harrasses Misty, gets a warning

same day, sexually harrasses Zoe, in addition to lots of general harrassment of more people, gets banned

gets unbanned, gets one chance to leave Zoe and Wren alone, (like on 'parole') breaks parole, gets banned

gets unbanned, because he even though he did harrass them, someone thought he should be given another chance

gets accused of CC fraud, gets banned

gets unbanned, due to lack of evidence he commited CC fraud against GK

staff are given evidence that he commited CC fraud with other players, (and acknowlage that the evidence is credible)
...but that is not with GK, so he remains unbanned


Now he does this, (he also seems likely to have lied about loosing a pair of monkey sandals when he was banned, but that's another story)

In short, if anything, he has vindicated Tseng's decision to originally ban him, as he has abused every chance he was given since.

Now he's trying to setup my friends, and that makes it a bit 'intense'

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by DevilsDice

When Toran used to leave and rejoin (( via Brad )) Brad and him were both kicked, and when asked to rejoin (( via me )) I said no, and blocked them. NOBODY is allowed to do that. If you are in a Kingdom, you are considered a RPing person(s).

?? Chris would readd me.

[Kaimetsu]

It seems quite likely that the two screenshots depect separate events, rather than a single contiguous whole. Evidence:

1) Lots of people - including Zoe - change places between the two shots. Why would she be moving if she is making a single threat?
2) Lots of time has passed. 13 food points take a while to disappear. I'd expect it would take her only a few seconds to type out the second half of the hypothetical threat.
3) The ferry messages. I don't know much about how these work, but presumably you need to approach the boat itself at some point? Such an excursion would break up the conversation.

[gozen]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

2) Lots of time has passed. 13 food points take a while to disappear. I'd expect it would take her only a few seconds to type out the second half of the hypothetical threat.

probably about 1 minute >.<

[Tseng]

Whichever dimwit said that I would take action if I saw them calling wren or zoe a (censored) and then attempted to use that as some evidence I was corrupt, please think. Please? Fire a couple of brain cells spontaneously?

If I see someone sexually harrassing another person, I am bound to take action.

Honestly. Is it that hard to think?

[gozen]

Originally posted by Tseng
Whichever dimwit said that I would take action if I saw them calling wren or zoe a (censored) and then attempted to use that as some evidence I was corrupt, please think. Please? Fire a couple of brain cells spontaneously?

If I see someone sexually harrassing another person, I am bound to take action.

Honestly. Is it that hard to think?

Common Sense, Isn't that common anymore.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

3) The ferry messages. I don't know much about how these work, but presumably you need to approach the boat itself at some point? Such an excursion would break up the conversation.

yeah, I was leaving, but I had no plat, and those messages spawn like crazy because you get stuck on boats. I would say the conversation took about a minute to a minute and a half.

[foxyrain]

Goodnight all.......

Obviously there is no rhyme or reason when it comes to Toran....so, it's like this Toran......you've nothing to fear from Zoe as I just simply do not threaten people's lives RL. LOL.....gosh scares me to even think of it. My meaning was IC as yours when we spoke in conversation regarding .....

I realize you would love to take this to the inth degree and punish all of us for your misgivings, misfortunes and unhappiness....but, not because we are Dustarian.....but because we are human and are trying to have fun and play a game. Each of us in some way have paid a price because of your wrath - and probably will continue to do so until you just can't run the gambit further. Until then, God speed Torankusu!

Zoe

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Torankusu
yeah, I was leaving, but I had no plat, and those messages spawn like crazy because you get stuck on boats. I would say the conversation took about a minute to a minute and a half.

A minute to say two things? Obviously there was text between the two statements, meaning you're not conveying the entire context.

[DevilsDice]

A minute to say two things? Obviously there was text between the two statements, meaning you're not conveying the entire context.

I do believe he was still somewhat fighting Wren, and the text was over her head for a small while at that time...

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by DevilsDice
I do believe he was still somewhat fighting Wren, and the text was over her head for a small while at that time...

A minute is not a small while.