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[adam]

:-/ It doesn't matter where the script is, If it's a bad serverside script the entire server is crippled.

I know this from experience. Nothing else serverside works while any other serverside part is busy doing something.

[protagonist]

Originally posted by adam
:-/ It doesn't matter where the script is, If it's a bad serverside script the entire server is crippled.

I know this from experience. Nothing else serverside works while any other serverside part is busy doing something.

This does not change the fact that it is an NPC. Critical NPCs are still NPCs.

[voicedcow6666]

Originally posted by protagonist


This does not change the fact that it is an NPC. Critical NPCs are still NPCs.

Yes, it's a NPC, but it's not JUST a NPC. It's a vital part of the NPC Server. And it's not an ordinary NPC...it gets triggers which only IT can get (actionplayeronline, rcchat, etc).

[osrs]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Two points.

1) Nobody has actually answered Giltwist's question. Yes, it's an integral part of the NPC Server. So?
2) Giltwist is a pretty darn good scripter too. In this case, you can't pull the 'I am better than you so just listen to me' card.

Giltwist=TribulationStaff ?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
Um, yes it is MORE than just an NPC... it's the backbone of the entire NPC Server, it is essentially the NPC Server. Delete a Control-NPC and see what happens...

No, the NPC Server runs NPCs. The NPC Server is not an NPC. That would make no sense. The CNPC, at most, provides a host for the NPC Server. Deleting it causes harm, but that doesn't mean they are one and the same.

Wow... I love propaganda... you take just one little part. It was not a stupid comparison, it was very valid.

No, it wasn't. You can't take a completely unrelated example, apply a principle and then say you've proven that the principle applies to the original. It's like the reverse of a Straw Man - a very weak argumentative technique.

The Control-NPC is like the engine, all the other NPC's are components...

Really, dude. Stop being an idiot. Stop trying to obfuscate matters by introducing meaningless comparisons and argue from a programming perspective.

You have point-blank said that we are wrong and don't know what we're talking about!

Yeah? Quote me.

[Projectshifter]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
No, the NPC Server runs NPCs. The NPC Server is not an NPC. That would make no sense. The CNPC, at most, provides a host for the NPC Server. Deleting it causes harm, but that doesn't mean they are one and the same.

No, it's basically the NPC Server, understand that, maybe I just thought after everyone else pointed out how vital it was you'd understand. It is basically the NPC Server, it runs EVERYTHING, it's exe->npc for the most part... get it got it good and get over it!

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
No, it wasn't. You can't take a completely unrelated example, apply a principle and then say you've proven that the principle applies to the original. It's like the reverse of a Straw Man - a very weak argumentative technique.

No, it is a strong and solid arguement. Just because you're not willing to accept that computers can have anything to do with the outside world, doesn't mean that they don't...

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Really, dude. Stop being an idiot. Stop trying to obfuscate matters by introducing meaningless comparisons and argue from a programming perspective.

No, this is VERY relevant. YOU need to stop acting like you're a god. I TRIED to ignore everyone tell me how much they hated Kai, and I was like "No, he's a good guy, you just need to get to know him". And I tried to get along with you, you're not willing to EVER admit that you might even REMOTELY be wrong, so STOP thinking you're gods gift to scripting, you're not. Neither am I, you're good, but you're not as godly as you think you, and I'm not as good as I think I am, and I'll be the first one to admit that, so STOP it okay?
---Shifter

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
No, it's basically the NPC Server, understand that, maybe I just thought after everyone else pointed out how vital it was you'd understand. It is basically the NPC Server, it runs EVERYTHING, it's exe->npc for the most part... get it got it good and get over it!

All you are doing is stating your opinion again and again. You don't understand the system, you just want to recite whatever you've been told.

No, it is a strong and solid arguement. Just because you're not willing to accept that computers can have anything to do with the outside world, doesn't mean that they don't...

Idiotic, idiotic, idiotic. You're not thinking at all. The NPC Server may be like a car, but you can't draw the comparison and expect it to prove whatever conclusions you reach. First you have to prove that the comparison fits. Otherwise it's just circular logic.

No, this is VERY relevant.

Ah, and the capital letters prove it? Listen: It's not relevant just because you say it is. You have two options:

1) Prove that the car analogy is applicable, in which case you have to prove the very thing that the analogy is meant to depict.
2) Stop being stupid and start arguing as a programmer.

YOU need to stop acting like you're a god.

Grow up. I dismiss your idiotic arguments so that means I'm being arrogant? Did you consider that perhaps your arguments really are flawed? Oh, you didn't? Well, I guess I must be the arrogant one, then

I TRIED to ignore everyone tell me how much they hated Kai, and I was like "No, he's a good guy, you just need to get to know him".

How very good of you. However, judging by your previous attempts at PR, I think I would be better off without you defending me.

And I tried to get along with you

Which was pretty annoying, because I really didn't want to get along with you.

you're not willing to EVER admit that you might even REMOTELY be wrong

Psch. In a standard argument, how many times do you see a person randomly declare that he might be wrong? It's implicit, it's not something that has to be stated. The only people who ever make this kind of argument are people who assume their opinion to be correct, and are aghast that somebody has the gall to disagree with it.

Of course there's the possibility that I could be wrong, but until you bring me even a shred of evidence to support your case, I will continue to deem it unlikely.

I'm not as good as I think I am, and I'll be the first one to admit that

You sure? Because I heard a lot of people saying it before you did.

[voicedcow6666]

*shrugs* PS, just quit wasting time on Kai. Wait for Stefan to come back and let him say it...How much you want to bet he tries to prove Stefan wrong about it too?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
Wait for Stefan to come back and let him say it...How much you want to bet he tries to prove Stefan wrong about it too?

You're not listening. I'm not arguing that you are wrong, I'm arguing that you have not yet given any reasons to support the conjecture. You may well be right, but you're doing a damn poor job of arguing your case.

[voicedcow6666]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


You're not listening. I'm not arguing that you are wrong, I'm arguing that you have not yet given any reasons to support the conjecture. You may well be right, but you're doing a damn poor job of arguing your case.

No, you're just doing a damn good job of being stubborn.

The whole lagging a vital NPC to the NPC Server's well being is good enough.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
No, you're just doing a damn good job of being stubborn.

If by 'being stubborn' you mean 'refusing to blindly believe what I tell you no matter how many times I say it' then yes. Until you give me a good reason, I will continue to be 'stubborn'.

The whole lagging a vital NPC to the NPC Server's well being is good enough.

I dealt with that. Everything is handled by the same processor, it doesn't matter where the code is.

[voicedcow6666]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
I dealt with that. Everything is handled by the same processor, it doesn't matter where the code is.

Answer me this...How come if you delete any other NPC on a server nothing happens, except loss of function from whatever that NPC did, but if you delete the control-npc, a lot more happens?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
Answer me this...How come if you delete any other NPC on a server nothing happens, except loss of function from whatever that NPC did, but if you delete the control-npc, a lot more happens?

Because it is irrevocably linked to the NPC Server. Linked to.

[voicedcow6666]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Because it is irrevocably linked to the NPC Server. Linked to.

Every other NPC isn't linked to the NPC Server? So how come when the NPC Server goes down NO scripts show up?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
Every other NPC isn't linked to the NPC Server? So how come when the NPC Server goes down NO scripts show up?

Note the word 'irrevocably'. There are online dictionaries you can use.

The NPC Server uses the CNPC. It depends on the CNPC. That doesn't mean it is the CNPC. All NPCs are handled by the NPC Server, but they are not linked in the same way.

[Tseng]

I seem to recall reading or picking up somewhere along the line that it was bad practice to put a timeout in the control-npc. I can't, however, remember the reason which was stated.

However, I must agree that the arguments that have been made so far for this point have been sub-par, and, like Jagen, say that the best idea is most likely to await Stefan's return and ask him.

[voicedcow6666]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

The NPC Server uses the CNPC. It depends on the CNPC. That doesn't mean it is the CNPC.

Though if you look back, I never said it WAS the NPC Server, I simply said it was a vital part of it.

I assume you'll agree that if a bad serverside script is out in use it'll lag for players? And if you agree to that you'd also agree that the more that script has to do, the more it will lag, correct? And if you agree to that, then you can also agree to the fact that the same will happen to the CNPC, correct? Well then, lets move forward a bit. You yourself said it was irrevocably linked to the NPC Server...and if that's true, which you yourself said it was, would it not directly effect the NPC Server itself? And if you agree to that, well then....should I even have to go on?

[Tseng]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
I assume you'll agree that if a bad serverside script is out in use it'll lag for players?

You fail to define what constitutes a "bad" serverside script. A bad serverside script need not "lag" players.

And if you agree to that you'd also agree that the more that script has to do, the more it will lag, correct?

Processor time != lag.

And if you agree to that, then you can also agree to the fact that the same will happen to the CNPC, correct?

Still: Processor time != lag.

Well then, lets move forward a bit.

Sure about this?

You yourself said it was irrevocably linked to the NPC Server...and if that's true, which you yourself said it was, would it not directly effect the NPC Server itself?

So the NPCServer takes a bit more processor time to process things. Kai's point about this from earlier still holds.

And if you agree to that, well then....should I even have to go on?

Your logic has holes in it from the start - you should re-examine your starting point. After all, when you have an "if a, then b," "if b, then c," "if c, then d," and then a is disproven...well, simply put: b, c, d, and anything else which depends on d are rather irrelevant.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
Though if you look back, I never said it WAS the NPC Server, I simply said it was a vital part of it.

I never disputed the fact. However, that doesn't mean that giving it processor-intensive scripts will have any more effect than if it were a normal NPC.

I assume you'll agree that if a bad serverside script is out in use it'll lag for players? And if you agree to that you'd also agree that the more that script has to do, the more it will lag, correct? And if you agree to that, then you can also agree to the fact that the same will happen to the CNPC, correct?

Your links are clumsy and illogical, but it is true that extra load on the NPC Server leads to lag for players.

Important note: This extra load won't just harm single NPCs. It will slow the entire server. It doesn't matter which NPC contains the demanding script - the effects will be felt equally by all.

Well then, lets move forward a bit. You yourself said it was irrevocably linked to the NPC Server...and if that's true, which you yourself said it was, would it not directly effect the NPC Server itself?

Not necessarily, no. There is no immediate distinction between the CNPC burdening the NPC Server and another NPC doing so. As I stated above, NPCs don't get lagged individually - the slowdown from their scripts affects everything equally.

[voicedcow6666]

Kai...Would you put a timeout in the CNPC?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
Kai...Would you put a timeout in the CNPC?

Not without first checking with Stefan about it, or getting an explanation from somebody who knows what he's talking about.

[Projectshifter]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Not without first checking with Stefan about it, or getting an explanation from somebody who knows what he's talking about.

You're such a stubborn ass. I am glad how you blatently admitted that you had no desire to get along with me, that just proves how UNdedicated you are to the GST. If you were dedicated, maybe you'd at least try and get along. Don't bring up the fact about multiple ppl getting on, I tried to do that with you, but you had to be obnoxious about it. Perhaps if you weren't too busy always trying to make yourself sound so smart and above everyone else and looking down your nose at others, you'd realize that we are human beings to, and we script and we aren't just randomly spouting out words to argue with you, it has basis.
And the comparison of the NPC Server to a car is blatently obvious. The engine is the server, and the rest of it is components to a car. It may have differences, but the conceptuals of it work out if you're not so close-minded.
---Shifter

[voicedcow6666]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Not without first checking with Stefan about it, or getting an explanation from somebody who knows what he's talking about.

Can you be sure you'd say that if you hadn't read this topic?

The CNPC does a lot more than just what's inside of the script itself, it picks up a lot more triggers, etc. If you can't figure out on your own why it's a bad idea, then imo (and this is just my opinion) you're not nearly as good as people seem to think. No one's ever had to tell me not to do it or why not to or anything...it's just common sence. Perhaps it is this experience thing you talked about...

Either way, we'll just wait for Stefan...Apparently he's the only one which can give a good solid reason as to why it's a bad idea.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
You're such a stubborn ass.

Since you seem to use the same definition as Zega, I guess I am ^_^

I am glad how you blatently admitted that you had no desire to get along with me, that just proves how UNdedicated you are to the GST. If you were dedicated, maybe you'd at least try and get along.

1) I don't need to work with you as a GST member.
2) Even if I did, I don't need to be your friend in order to work with you.

Don't bring up the fact about multiple ppl getting on, I tried to do that with you, but you had to be obnoxious about it.

I don't remember that. I think that once again you're confusing reality with that place in your head where you're the best guy ever and everybody else sucks.

Perhaps if you weren't too busy always trying to make yourself sound so smart and above everyone else and looking down your nose at others, you'd realize that we are human beings to, and we script and we aren't just randomly spouting out words to argue with you, it has basis.

That's cool, but until you actually describe that basis, I'm not gonna give you any respect. All you're doing is reciting your opinion like a droning mantra and drawing irrelevant comparisons.

Yes, you're human beings. That's a good thing?
Yes, you script (though not particularly competently). How is that relevant? The key to this argument is understanding Graal's internal workings. However much scripting experience you have, you suck as a programmer and as a thinker.

And the comparison of the NPC Server to a car is blatently obvious. The engine is the server, and the rest of it is components to a car.

Right. Except it depends on the assumption that the CNPC is the NPC Server, which has not yet been proven. I could happily think up an example that fits my point of view, but that wouldn't automatically prove me right too.

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
Can you be sure you'd say that if you hadn't read this topic?

Yep. Before now I didn't even know that the CNPC could timeout, so I'd be sure to ask.

The CNPC does a lot more than just what's inside of the script itself, it picks up a lot more triggers, etc.

Picking up triggers isn't doing something, it's receiving something. The NPC Server is just delivering more to it than to the other NPCs.

If you can't figure out on your own why it's a bad idea, then imo (and this is just my opinion) you're not nearly as good as people seem to think.

And if you can't give a single logically consistent reason to support your belief then you're a blinkered idiot. None of us can realistically see inside the NPC Server, so we have to rely on what we're told. You've been told that CNPC timeouts are bad, and that's okay. But if that's all you know then that's all you should say. You shouldn't express elitism against those who haven't been told the same thing, and you shouldn't attempt to explain the idea when you have no idea how programs actually work.

[Python523]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Picking up triggers isn't doing something, it's receiving something. The NPC Server is just delivering more to it than to the other NPCs.

Receiving a trigger also generates some run time, example: on delteria when the shoot command came out, I was being stupid and I made an npc fire 360 projectiles per half second, the run time of the Control-NPC went up to about 2-3 seconds, and there wasnt any script involved, it just received the actions from the projectiles

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Python523
Receiving a trigger also generates some run time, example: on delteria when the shoot command came out, I was being stupid and I made an npc fire 360 projectiles per half second, the run time of the Control-NPC went up to about 2-3 seconds, and there wasnt any script involved, it just received the actions from the projectiles

Well, yes, that's to be expected. What's your point?

[Projectshifter]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
That's cool, but until you actually describe that basis, I'm not gonna give you any respect....Yes, you script (though not particularly competently)....However much scripting experience you have, you suck as a programmer and as a thinker.

Since you seem to require proof of everything, tell me how I'm not a particuarly competent scripter. I'm glad that you have the confidence to make hollow remarks that you can't backup. How do I suck as a programmer and a thinker? You mean because I can't do math like you makes me not very competent and a bad scripter? So does that mean because you can't do as much serverside coding and building of NPCs that you are inferior to Jagen and I?
---Shifter

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
Since you seem to require proof of everything, tell me how I'm not a particuarly competent scripter.

I've seen some of your scripts. None of them have been impressive. I've seen you talk here, and demonstrate your ignorance of all kinds of programming subjects. I've seen you repeatedly fail to grasp simple concepts as they were explained to you.

How do I suck as a programmer and a thinker? You mean because I can't do math like you makes me not very competent and a bad scripter?

Hardly. Mathematical knowledge is only a resource. By my estimation, you couldn't make use of that knowledge even if you possessed it.

[Projectshifter]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I've seen some of your scripts. None of them have been impressive. I've seen you talk here, and demonstrate your ignorance of all kinds of programming subjects. I've seen you repeatedly fail to grasp simple concepts as they were explained to you.

LMAO, you're hardly one to talk. You've basically proven that your only knowledge lies in mathmatics, that is your only TRUE advantage here, and while you do know a bit about Graal scripting, you don't know as much as you try and let on. What scripts of mine have you seen might I ask? I'm sorry that I never pulled out a script and say "Kai, be impressed". I don't need to impress you, your opinion now matters little to me, so that fact that you haven't SEEN a script that is impressive, doesn't mean I'm not capable of making one? Simple concepts are relative to the person, and I've seen you fail to grasp things when everyone else has told you that you're wrong (this thread for instance, which we've pointed out). So let me see, the scripts of yours I've glanced at, the impressiveness lied where? You keep bragging about your vector systems and such, isn't that mathmatics there? I use math too, but my impressive scripts don't rely as heavily on them, I have other skills to demonstrate...

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Hardly. Mathematical knowledge is only a resource. By my estimation, you couldn't make use of that knowledge even if you possessed it.

Amazing, you only have estimation. If you had any ground to stand on I might respect that, but since you don't, keep your estimations to yourself until you can back them up.
---Shifter

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
LMAO, you're hardly one to talk. You've basically proven that your only knowledge lies in mathmatics, that is your only TRUE advantage here, and while you do know a bit about Graal scripting, you don't know as much as you try and let on.

If that's what you want to believe then feel free to do so, though it makes you look all the more stupid. Mathematical knowledge alone is hardly enough to make some of the things I've created, you're merely using it as an excuse to justify your failure to match me.

What scripts of mine have you seen might I ask?

None of them were particularly noteworthy, so I forget the specifics. It's difficult to remember something that doesn't even remotely stand out.

I'm sorry that I never pulled out a script and say "Kai, be impressed". I don't need to impress you

No? A quote from three days ago:

Your respect means a lot to me

Would you like me to post the whole log? What you're doing is understandable, I've seen it before. People get rejected, and they decide that they hate the person who rejected them. It's just an ego thing, perfectly natural.

so that fact that you haven't SEEN a script that is impressive, doesn't mean I'm not capable of making one?

Your scripts aren't just unimpressive, they're poorly coded. People who make poor code are poor coders.

Simple concepts are relative to the person, and I've seen you fail to grasp things when everyone else has told you that you're wrong (this thread for instance, which we've pointed out).

You still don't get it. Lots of people have indeed told me that I'm wrong, but none of them have given any actual reasoning for it. You don't understand that debates are about more than just who has more supporters, and who can shout his opinion the loudest.

So let me see, the scripts of yours I've glanced at, the impressiveness lied where? You keep bragging about your vector systems and such, isn't that mathmatics there?

Mathematics is involved, but it's not the essence of the script. I was the first to make a pathfinding script, for example. Designed and implemented solely by myself. Did that involve any maths?

I use math too, but my impressive scripts don't rely as heavily on them, I have other skills to demonstrate...

Sure. You just haven't demonstrated them yet.

Amazing, you only have estimation. If you had any ground to stand on I might respect that, but since you don't, keep your estimations to yourself until you can back them up.

PS, do you even know what estimation is? It's the use of evidence to form a likely conclusion. Just as you estimate that I am entirely reliant on my mathematical abilities, I estimate that you have nothing on which to be reliant.

[Projectshifter]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
If that's what you want to believe then feel free to do so, though it makes you look all the more stupid. Mathematical knowledge alone is hardly enough to make some of the things I've created, you're merely using it as an excuse to justify your failure to match me.

Wow, good job with the whole modesty bit. You think that I am failing to match you? Sure... the only thing I fail to meet you at is your math, but then again that's only a small part of scripting, so get over yourself.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
None of them were particularly noteworthy, so I forget the specifics. It's difficult to remember something that doesn't even remotely stand out.

How conveinent for you that you can seem to try and bash me, but yet you can't come up with a solid example.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Would you like me to post the whole log? What you're doing is understandable, I've seen it before. People get rejected, and they decide that they hate the person who rejected them. It's just an ego thing, perfectly natural.

Amazing, you rejected me how? I wanted to be on good terms with you, but then it was evident how stubborn and obnoxious you were. Don't tell me about rejection, you're just not capable of accepting that you are not the god of scripting, as you so blatently seem to make evident that no one can prove well enough that you're wrong. But you can't prove your right, so you're making yourself look MORE ignorant...

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Your scripts aren't just unimpressive, they're poorly coded. People who make poor code are poor coders.

Poorly coded? Amazing how 10 seconds ago you can't remember my coding because it didn't stand out, but now you remember it's unimpressive and poorly coded? Tell me one thing of mine that you saw that was poorly coded? I half expect you to dig out a very old post or something, but go ahead. Tell me something I did that was poorly coded, because I guarantee that you're going to have trouble. Again, I'll admit I'm not a perfect scripter, but my coding is VERY similar to how Tseng and Jagen do it, same layout and format, and generally 99% of the time it seems the same concepts, so does that make them poor coders also?

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
You still don't get it. Lots of people have indeed told me that I'm wrong, but none of them have given any actual reasoning for it. You don't understand that debates are about more than just who has more supporters, and who can shout his opinion the loudest.

See, you won't LET anyone give you evidence, you just try and find logic loopholes and try and play it off as if everything wasn't made perfectly clear to you. If you're not right, you'll find an excuse as to how you might be if you stretch things out of their context or out of how they are commonly used.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Mathematics is involved, but it's not the essence of the script. I was the first to make a pathfinding script, for example. Designed and implemented solely by myself. Did that involve any maths?

I dunno how I POSSIBLY thought that checking every tile, then calculating the quickest and shortest path could POSSIBLY have to do with any mathmatical concepts at all... that is just absurd!

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Sure. You just haven't demonstrated them yet.

Where are your codings that are so great that you speak of?

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
PS, do you even know what estimation is? It's the use of evidence to form a likely conclusion. Just as you estimate that I am entirely reliant on my mathematical abilities, I estimate that you have nothing on which to be reliant.

Yes, estimation does not have to rely on evidence, I don't think you know what it means. Estimation is a guess. It does not have to be an educated guess, as you so have proven.
---Shifter

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
Wow, good job with the whole modesty bit. You think that I am failing to match you? Sure... the only thing I fail to meet you at is your math, but then again that's only a small part of scripting, so get over yourself.

Given your lack of skill, it's not immodest to claim to outmatch you. And if mathematics is only a small part of scripting and maths are all I know then how come the things I've created are so much more impressive than yours?

How conveinent for you that you can seem to try and bash me, but yet you can't come up with a solid example.

Do I need to? You're the one making the extravagent claims. You say that you are better than me at some areas of scripting? Why don't you prove it?

Amazing, you rejected me how?

You remember all the times when I told you that I dislike you and think you're a worthless member of the GST. Yeah, that was me rejecting you.

I wanted to be on good terms with you, but then it was evident how stubborn and obnoxious you were.

Right, right, you just happened to decide this after I told you to stop bothering me about being my friend.

Don't tell me about rejection, you're just not capable of accepting that you are not the god of scripting, as you so blatently seem to make evident that no one can prove well enough that you're wrong. But you can't prove your right, so you're making yourself look MORE ignorant...

About the CNPC thing? I'm not the only one who thinks as I do. Is Tseng also an idiot because he doesn't value your arguments?

Poorly coded? Amazing how 10 seconds ago you can't remember my coding because it didn't stand out

I don't remember the code itself because it was meaningless to me, but I don't need to remember the details. Every horrible piece of scripting I saw simply cemented the reality that you're a substandard coder.

my coding is VERY similar to how Tseng and Jagen do it, same layout and format

Haha! I think they'd be insulted by that statement ^_^

See, you won't LET anyone give you evidence, you just try and find logic loopholes and try and play it off as if everything wasn't made perfectly clear to you. If you're not right, you'll find an excuse as to how you might be if you stretch things out of their context or out of how they are commonly used.

None have you have given any evidence for me to dismiss! You've given irrelevant similes and yelled that it's "common sense", but never given any worthwhile arguments. I have countered each of your claims, only to be presented with more abject stupidity. If you can find even a single example of me 'stretching something out of context' then feel free to post it, but otherwise you're revealing yourself for the oaf you are.

I dunno how I POSSIBLY thought that checking every tile, then calculating the quickest and shortest path could POSSIBLY have to do with any mathmatical concepts at all... that is just absurd!

...you don't even know how pathfinding scripts work, do you? What areas of mathematics do you think I used?

Where are your codings that are so great that you speak of?

I didn't speak of any code in that particular quote, but you could go look for the sphere if you wanted a recent display of good scripting.

Yes, estimation does not have to rely on evidence, I don't think you know what it means. Estimation is a guess. It does not have to be an educated guess, as you so have proven.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=estimate

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=guess

Spot the differences.

Again: I make an assessment of your skills, you make an assessment of mine. How is mine any less well-founded than yours?

[Loriel]

Are you anti-CNPC-timeout people saying that it would be better to have another serverside NPC do the timeout loop instead of the Control-NPC?

And I would like to see the original script redone without any timeout loop.

[Projectshifter]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Given your lack of skill, it's not immodest to claim to outmatch you. And if mathematics is only a small part of scripting and maths are all I know then how come the things I've created are so much more impressive than yours?

LFMAO, right... I'm so glad that now you've changed your mind and starting insulting my scripting. How on earth do you have ANY grounds at all? Show me, or are you going to use the excuse that you don't remember them? The only things that are impressive of yours, are things that require complex mathmatical equations. This sphere you keep speaking of, are you going to tell me that doesn't use a lot of math?

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Do I need to? You're the one making the extravagent claims. You say that you are better than me at some areas of scripting? Why don't you prove it?

Prove to me that you're not so worthless at scripting yourself.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
You remember all the times when I told you that I dislike you and think you're a worthless member of the GST. Yeah, that was me rejecting you.

Rejecting me? No, I didn't seek your approval, I sought to make piece with an arrogant co-worker. Obviously that is not how it turned out, as I saw how much of an ignorant, conceeded ass you are. Amazing how anyone whom I have respect for thinks lowly of you except for a few. Even Tseng has problems justifying your hostility towards me.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
About the CNPC thing? I'm not the only one who thinks as I do. Is Tseng also an idiot because he doesn't value your arguments?

Tseng never said he agreed with you, read it again mr. genius. Tseng said let stefan speak, he and I have spoken, and he knows how integral it is, but he says we just need to hear it from Stefan. How does that side with you? I think everyone was in conclusion we needed Stefan to finally shut you up with this one.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
I don't remember the code itself because it was meaningless to me, but I don't need to remember the details. Every horrible piece of scripting I saw simply cemented the reality that you're a substandard coder.

LOL, so because I can't do your sphere-mathmatical scripts, I'm substandard? Show me a single script of yours, that is good, that doesn't involve math equations for 90% of it, and then you can talk and I'll show you how big of a ***** you really are.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Haha! I think they'd be insulted by that statement ^_^

No, I think Jagen and I have made the notation before that our scripting styles are quite similar, and I'm not talking about styling. Now I use standard styling, but that is besides the point. I hear it from people all the time wondering how on Earth I put up with your stupidty day after day, but the truth is, I don't have to.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
None have you have given any evidence for me to dismiss! You've given irrelevant similes and yelled that it's "common sense", but never given any worthwhile arguments. I have countered each of your claims, only to be presented with more abject stupidity. If you can find even a single example of me 'stretching something out of context' then feel free to post it, but otherwise you're revealing yourself for the oaf you are.

You ever play on 2k2? The kingdoms GUI, who do you think made it? Stefan put in new images and filled in the triggers for the mudlibs, but the base coding was mine. The screens, the editing, I just put in triggers that get and read the strings, and it worked. Are you telling me that is a crap script? I was under the impression that tons of people used it on a daily basis with no complaints and were happy with it. If that's not a good enough example, perhaps you should pull your head out of you know where and stop looking down your nose at everybody. For once realize that you're not the hot-stuff you think you are.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
I didn't speak of any code in that particular quote, but you could go look for the sphere if you wanted a recent display of good scripting.

Sphere = math equations does it not? This is a math-intensive script, more than most use math. Again, you're only drilling home my point that the only thing you're capable of doing is math, you can hardly do any other scripting at all for Graal. And as far as I can see, you can't script anything competently at all.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=estimate

Amazing... it says estimating is appraising among other things... educated guessing? Keyword, guessing... And in your case they are far from educated.
---Shifter

[Projectshifter]

Originally posted by Loriel
Are you anti-CNPC-timeout people saying that it would be better to have another serverside NPC do the timeout loop instead of the Control-NPC?

And I would like to see the original script redone without any timeout loop.

Yes Loriel, that's exactly what we're saying. Get on Shifter RC sometime and I'll show you the 'RC Login System' that I have, it's another d/b NPC that handles all of this.
And as for not having a timeout loop do it, Graal doesn't yet have a scripting command for if an RC logs in. It would be easy to add, considering that it does "New RC: #n (#a)" and "New NC: #a", but as of yet it is not supported. You could do it with other events, but it wouldn't be queued properly to it. A timeout that is a medium length is the best way right now to do it.
---Shifter

[Python523]

Originally posted by Projectshifter


You ever play on 2k2? The kingdoms GUI, who do you think made it? Stefan put in new images and filled in the triggers for the mudlibs, but the base coding was mine. The screens, the editing, I just put in triggers that get and read the strings, and it worked. Are you telling me that is a crap script? I was under the impression that tons of people used it on a daily basis with no complaints and were happy with it. If that's not a good enough example, perhaps you should pull your head out of you know where and stop looking down your nose at everybody. For once realize that you're not the hot-stuff you think you are.

Actually stefan redid 95% of it, if not more, plus someone liking the effect of a script, doesn't mean the actual script is good

[Loriel]

Originally posted by Projectshifter

Yes Loriel, that's exactly what we're saying.

Sorry, but that is horribly stupid.
Why should it be worse if the name of the NPC that the NPC Server is handling while doing a timeout event is 'Control-NPC' instead of any other name?
It is not as if it would make the NPC server take more time just because there also is a lot of other stuff handled by that NPC.

And as for not having a timeout loop do it, Graal doesn't yet have a scripting command for if an RC logs in.

That was the point of my post. If your NPC doesn't get around a timeout loop, it is no better than what was posted in the first post of this thread.

A timeout that is a medium length is the best way right now to do it.

You consider your 1-second-timeout medium length?

---Shifter

---Loriel

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
LFMAO, right... I'm so glad that now you've changed your mind and starting insulting my scripting.

Changed my mind? Shifter, I've always insulted your scripting.

How on earth do you have ANY grounds at all?

I've already told you. Seen your scripts, seen your arguments, things like that. Let me give you an example.

You think that I am stubborn and so forth, but do you remember every comment that made you think that of me? No, humans don't work that way. We read the material, form an opinion and then forget the fine details.

The only things that are impressive of yours, are things that require complex mathmatical equations. This sphere you keep speaking of, are you going to tell me that doesn't use a lot of math?

Actually, to my recollection, it used only two pieces of relatively-complex mathematics. And are you going to tell me that it was only maths? That there was no scripting holding it together?

Prove to me that you're not so worthless at scripting yourself.

So, basically, your response is 'No, I can't prove that. You prove something else!'

Rejecting me? No, I didn't seek your approval

The log suggests otherwise. You whined at me, pleading for me to tell you what it is that I dislike about you. Those weren't the actions of a cynical co-worker, but rather a downtrodden sycophant. You've never had to work with me as part of the GST, so your argument is clearly void.

Amazing how anyone whom I have respect for thinks lowly of you except for a few. Even Tseng has problems justifying your hostility towards me.

Disagreeing with a person's attitude isn't the same as thinking lowly of them. Would you like me to list some people who have grievances with you? Almost the entire GST considers you a joke of a scripter.

Tseng never said he agreed with you

I didn't say he did. I said he didn't value your arguments, and that's entirely true. My argument has never been that CNPC timeouts are fine, I have merely argued that you idiots have done a terrible job of justifying your belief that they are bad.

Incidentally, now Loriel seems to agree with me too. Is he also an idiot?

LOL, so because I can't do your sphere-mathmatical scripts, I'm substandard?

Well, if mathematical ability were the only thing you lack then perhaps not, but your general scripting skill is poor too.

Show me a single script of yours, that is good, that doesn't involve math equations for 90% of it, and then you can talk and I'll show you how big of a ***** you really are.

Have you ever even looked at the sphere script, idiot child? Mathematics make up a very small part of it.

No, I think Jagen and I have made the notation before that our scripting styles are quite similar, and I'm not talking about styling.

You claimed that you have similar formatting. I'm simply saying that most scripters would be insulted by the claim.

Now I use standard styling

Haha! ^_^

I hear it from people all the time wondering how on Earth I put up with your stupidty day after day

Yeah, yeah, everybody loves you and everybody hates me. Again, fantasy world. Try not to keep going off on tangents.

You ever play on 2k2? The kingdoms GUI, who do you think made it? Stefan put in new images and filled in the triggers for the mudlibs, but the base coding was mine. The screens, the editing, I just put in triggers that get and read the strings, and it worked. Are you telling me that is a crap script? I was under the impression that tons of people used it on a daily basis with no complaints and were happy with it.

Which parts of the GUI? The inventory? The oh-so-simple health bars, perhaps? Be more specific.

Sphere = math equations does it not?

Possibly the stupidest statement I've ever heard. No script is definitively 'equal to' mathematical equations. Sure, it makes use of maths, but it's still a complicated script with all kinds of advanced elements.

I notice, too, that you failed to respond to my pathfinding question. What maths did my pathfinding script use?

Amazing... it says estimating is appraising among other things... educated guessing? Keyword, guessing... And in your case they are far from educated.

You missed the point again. First of all, there is a clear difference between estimating and guessing. I even gave you two webpages to compare. Second of all, you complain that I assess your skills but readily assess mine. It's incredibly hypocritical.


Listen, dude, you can't win this fight. Especially not by telling everybody that I suck at scripting, because all the posters here know that it is false and you're merely making yourself look jealous. I know that the people in your head all agree with you, but you're not doing yourself any favors with the people in the real world.

[wonderboysp2p]

good god kaimetsu... why cant we all be friends?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by wonderboysp2p
good god kaimetsu... why cant we all be friends?

With ProjectShifter? Do I even need to answer that question?