New Kingdoms!

[Thallen]

Malenth sounds nice, goes with my character, dominant, but mysterious.

[Valder]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
Wow, how very discriptive New things as in updates, new things as in new quests, or new hats? A lot of things can be new. Specifics are key.

By new things I mean the kingdoms need to be completely redone. Same basic idea is fine, but the levels and/or way the kingdom is run need to be refined. Also, new hats would be alright but make them free again. People complained about the economy, well then only make money useful for quests and other things aside from items. New quests would be nice...

[GryffonDurime]

Most of what you just said will happen. We're not using the old levels, but there will be an economy. New quests as far as I know.

[brock128]

Originally posted by cloudstrifevii

No the Lich King has something to do with hell =p i will just tell you that

hi my name is joke

Originally posted by Valder
I remember the members of Karakaze had to enter the lich king's tower to save one of our members ;(
Ghost spent like 5 hours making everything and we got to the top in like 30 seconds....

a. ah so that's the name of that stupid tower
b. TREWIHUJTE I ALWAYS WANTED TO GO THERE

oh yea please hurry up with 2k1

[GryffonDurime]

Hello, the Lich King does have something to do with Hell.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by Tseng


Infernal Legion was removed due to balancing issues - it was too imbalanced, and to balance it would require it to change its story far too much to keep the characteristics which made it, well, Infernal Legion.

Explain please.

See... No Infernal Legion (or no Orcs) mean there is no enemy to Humanity (Techincally the Zormites aren't aggressive). So yall can just have peace. No war. Bordom and then everyone leaves.

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
I hate to break this to you, but the Kingdoms are new. Just because a tree has it's roots in the same ground as the one that spawned it dosen't mean they'll grow exactly the same.

What is a rose but a name? If you change the name isn't it still a rose?

Dustari members will join the Dustari-like kingdom, Zormites join the Zorbis, etc.

The members make the kingdom not the name. So you're not planting a new tree... you're cloning it.


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You should've put the kingdom ideas up for POPULAR vote. It's not your server.

You should do the same with kings/queens.

[GryffonDurime]

Not our server? So it's not the place of the Managers and Kingdoms Admin, one of the server's most dedicated RPers and yet another RPer to select the Kingdoms? Ya know, I'm pretty sure it is our server, and our place to do so, Mr. Montague.

[Zurkiba]

No players mean no server. It's kind of like the Government isn't the President's government.

[GryffonDurime]

Montague, look at it this way, there's only so much you can see from a forums post. Trust me, you'll find SOME kingdom you like. And if you don't, Mr. Montague, then lobby to get a fourth formed. It may happen. But the fact is, we choose these Kingdoms for balance. It will work out. If you don't like it, suggest changes or leave.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
Montague, look at it this way, there's only so much you can see from a forums post. Trust me, you'll find SOME kingdom you like. And if you don't, Mr. Montague, then lobby to get a fourth formed. It may happen. But the fact is, we choose these Kingdoms for balance. It will work out. If you don't like it, suggest changes or leave.

Like you put Signas as a leader? Is that balanced?

Yeah let me tell you something. Someone who harasses women, sexually harasses people.

A person who talkings about his cum when you dont want him to. Someone who is irresponsible, immature, and childish... is a leader of a kingdom. NICE JOB

And how do you know what the people want? Maybe they dont want a Zormite kingdom, maybe they wanted a Samurai kingdom.

[GryffonDurime]

Because Montague, they obviously all wanted a Samurai kingdom last time. what with the total lack of members or intrest. As for Signas, Montague, he was chosen for what he did on 2k1, not what he did on Era. Beleive it or not, people change. Apparently, not you. You're still just as close minded.

[Valder]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
Because Montague, they obviously all wanted a Samurai kingdom last time. what with the total lack of members or intrest. As for Signas, Montague, he was chosen for what he did on 2k1, not what he did on Era. Beleive it or not, people change. Apparently, not you. You're still just as close minded.

A lot of people have done stuff for 2k1. That doesn't mean you will get rewarded for it. Hell, Tseng said that he would never in his life give me RC on 2k1 despite the fact that Kramer wanted to make me asst gfx for the server. The only way to get a job on ANY server is to suck up or be friends with the person UNLESS someone actually needs a person with talent.

[brock128]

Originally posted by Valder


A lot of people have done stuff for 2k1. That doesn't mean you will get rewarded for it. Hell, Tseng said that he would never in his life give me RC on 2k1 despite the fact that Kramer wanted to make me asst gfx for the server. The only way to get a job on ANY server is to suck up or be friends with the person UNLESS someone actually needs a person with talent.

I love you <3

[Valder]

Originally posted by brock128

I love you <3

<3

ALSO
Nappa wanted me to tell you guys not to attack him. He has no access to the forums and attacking him when he can't defend isn't right.

[GryffonDurime]

The same applies to Signas. He can't post, so don't flame about him please.

[Valder]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
The same applies to Signas. He can't post, so don't flame about him please.

I am not flaming him. You are claiming that he deserves to be the leader of a kingdom and I have yet to see proof about it. He is welcome to talk to me on AIM. My screenname is not hidden from the public. Again, just because you created the kingdom doesn't mean you are obligated to become the king.

[GryffonDurime]

I never said "VALDER! STOP FLAMING SIGNAS!" I made a general statement about it. Oi.

[Valder]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
I never said "VALDER! STOP FLAMING SIGNAS!" I made a general statement about it. Oi.

And I never said you did.
You replied to my post from nappa asking people not to flame him and replied that the same should be done about signas as if I were flaming him. Or I could be wrong and you were talking to Zurkiba...

[Tseng]

Let's address some things here and hopefully straighten them out

1) Valder and RC on 2k1: I will never give Valder RC on graal2001. Frankly, I don't like his attitude. His presence would be detrimental to the rest of the staff. That is my decision as Manager, and if you do not like it, that is too bad.

2) The kingdoms were chosen out of the ones submitted. These were the best 4. We were satisfied with these. If you wanted better kingdoms, you should have submitted them.

3) Infernal Legion: Infernal Legion was going to be chosen, but was pulled for already-explained reasons (balancing issues). [sarcasm]Yes, it's really a good idea to have an all-powerful kingdom that can morph into other creatures and go to their secret base from anywhere, at night! And not being able to go in churches? Wow, that really balances all their overpowered strengths![/sarcasm]

4) Signas' Leadership Role in Malenth: It pretty much goes with the idea. And while Signas can occasionally be childish, he also is a rather good Roleplayer. Perhaps you have forgotten that he was once Commander Herron Shade of Dustari? He would not have acquired that position if he was not a good RPer.

5) Graal2001 hiring in general: I explained before - it is a closed hiring system at the moment. We have as many staff as we need. If the occasion arises that we need more, I ask someone who either a) used to work here, or b) I know the skills + qualities of that person.

6) What the people want: People don't know what they want - it's rather obvious. Tyhm illustrated that rather well with his creation of Graal1998/Graal2000. He made it apparent that the people, who thought they wanted the old levels, really did not want the old levels but the community that existed back then. Besides, this is not a democracy, nor should it be.

7) "Our Server": This is not a democracy. We do not elect a president. This is a dicatorship, and I and James are your dictators. With regard to kingdoms, Gryffon is the dictator. For all purposes, when choosing the kingdom, yes, it is "our server."

8) Lack of Infernal Legion meaning no wars: How about...that is completely wrong? Infernal Legion did not exist for the longest time, yet Dustari and the Pirate Crew were at odds repeatedly throughout history.

I've got a tip for you guys, Zurkiba and Valder. Before you post, think to yourself: "Do I have any idea what I'm talking about?" And, until the answer is yes, refrain from posting.

[Valder]

Originally posted by Tseng
Let's address some things here and hopefully straighten them out

1) Valder and RC on 2k1: I will never give Valder RC on graal2001. Frankly, I don't like his attitude. His presence would be detrimental to the rest of the staff. That is my decision as Manager, and if you do not like it, that is too bad.

I admit that I can get steamed, but that doesn't mean my attitude is like that all the time. You can ask anyone that I have worked with. I am very fun to talk to and if I have a problem with you I will adress it. "That is my desicion as Manager, and if you don't like it, that is too bad." That sounds a lot like the old managers of 2k1's attitudes about hiring staff...

Originally posted by Tseng

2) The kingdoms were chosen out of the ones submitted. These were the best 4. We were satisfied with these. If you wanted better kingdoms, you should have submitted them.

You also stated that you wanted new kingdoms. These may be "new" but they are the old kingdoms with new ideas. You could have just kept the old kingdoms in and just had people come up with new things for them.

Originally posted by Tseng

3) Infernal Legion: Infernal Legion was going to be chosen, but was pulled for already-explained reasons (balancing issues). [sarcasm]Yes, it's really a good idea to have an all-powerful kingdom that can morph into other creatures and go to their secret base from anywhere, at night! And not being able to go in churches? Wow, that really balances all their overpowered strengths![/sarcasm]

I have no opinion about this because I know nothing about it.

Originally posted by Tseng

4) Signas' Leadership Role in Malenth: It pretty much goes with the idea. And while Signas can occasionally be childish, he also is a rather good Roleplayer. Perhaps you have forgotten that he was once Commander Herron Shade of Dustari? He would not have acquired that position if he was not a good RPer.

I understand this and am talking with Signas on AIM. I never intended to attack him, but Gryffon is stuck on the idea that your decisions are always right and shouldn't be contested.

Originally posted by Tseng

5) Graal2001 hiring in general: I explained before - it is a closed hiring system at the moment. We have as many staff as we need. If the occasion arises that we need more, I ask someone who either a) used to work here, or b) I know the skills + qualities of that person.

I wanted to help 2k1 because it was my favorite server. I still love 2k1 and will play the server regardless. Why would you hire old people anyway. You should get fresh new faces to join your staff and add a little spice to the server.

Originally posted by Tseng

6) What the people want: People don't know what they want - it's rather obvious. Tyhm illustrated that rather well with his creation of Graal1998/Graal2000. He made it apparent that the people, who thought they wanted the old levels, really did not want the old levels but the community that existed back then. Besides, this is not a democracy, nor should it be.

I have said countless times that I wanted new levels. I also do miss the old community.

Originally posted by Tseng

7) "Our Server": This is not a democracy. We do not elect a president. This is a dicatorship, and I and James are your dictators. With regard to kingdoms, Gryffon is the dictator. For all purposes, when choosing the kingdom, yes, it is "our server."

That's not true. We are the ones that play this game and should be the ones that make some of the desicions. By not letting players decide what they want you are only making it so people don't want to play the server. It is in fact "our server."

Originally posted by Tseng

8) Lack of Infernal Legion meaning no wars: How about...that is completely wrong? Infernal Legion did not exist for the longest time, yet Dustari and the Pirate Crew were at odds repeatedly throughout history.

That I agree with you on. Just because a kingdom didn't get in doesn't mean that nothing will happen.

Originally posted by Tseng

I've got a tip for you guys, Zurkiba and Valder. Before you post, think to yourself: "Do I have any idea what I'm talking about?" And, until the answer is yes, refrain from posting.

I know exactly what I am talking about. Maybe I don't have all the info, but that's what arguing sometimes give you... MORE INFO.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Valder


I admit that I can get steamed, but that doesn't mean my attitude is like that all the time. You can ask anyone that I have worked with. I am very fun to talk to and if I have a problem with you I will adress it. "That is my desicion as Manager, and if you don't like it, that is too bad." That sounds a lot like the old managers of 2k1's attitudes about hiring staff...

I said that before, when you were acting especially rude. However, I am willing to give you a chance, talk to me when the server opens - I do recognize you have great talents with graphics.

You also stated that you wanted new kingdoms. These may be "new" but they are the old kingdoms with new ideas. You could have just kept the old kingdoms in and just had people come up with new things for them.

Well, again, these are brief descriptions...that isn't a lot to go on. I wanted to keep an old 'feel' to the kingdoms, but have something new. (In other words, not just put the same old levels with a new name like someone-who-i-will-get-flamed-if-i-mention did). There are aspects to kingdoms (such as Malenth) which cannot be mentioned - it will ruin half of the surprise and RP if I were to share the full details. It is rather like a medieval kingdom, but there is a lot more to it than that...

I understand this and am talking with Signas on AIM. I never intended to attack him, but Gryffon is stuck on the idea that your decisions are always right and shouldn't be contested.

Gryffon frequently disagrees with me, leading to a debate wherein we explain why we feel the way we do, and having more information, thus are better able to come to a decision?

I wanted to help 2k1 because it was my favorite server. I still love 2k1 and will play the server regardless. Why would you hire old people anyway. You should get fresh new faces to join your staff and add a little spice to the server.

I'm one of those people who doesn't trust others very easily. That's who I am; I naturally will tend to want to work with people who I already know the abilities and qualities of, instead of taking a risk. And as I said before - I am willing to give you a chance, in time. But, to be perfectly honest, we aren't in great need of many new staff at the moment.

That's not true. We are the ones that play this game and should be the ones that make some of the desicions. By not letting players decide what they want you are only making it so people don't want to play the server. It is in fact "our server."

Player input is always valuable - In a sense, the players got to make the first cut in the decision of new kingdoms by suggesting the new one themselves.

I know exactly what I am talking about. Maybe I don't have all the info, but that's what arguing sometimes give you... MORE INFO.

Agreed - but it would be more productive if it was phrased in the form of a question, rather than in the form of an attack.

[Valder]

Originally posted by Tseng


I said that before, when you were acting especially rude. However, I am willing to give you a chance, talk to me when the server opens - I do recognize you have great talents with graphics.

Alright, but right now I don't really have time to work for 2k1 seeing as I am working on Trib...

Originally posted by Tseng

Well, again, these are brief descriptions...that isn't a lot to go on. I wanted to keep an old 'feel' to the kingdoms, but have something new. (In other words, not just put the same old levels with a new name like someone-who-i-will-get-flamed-if-i-mention did). There are aspects to kingdoms (such as Malenth) which cannot be mentioned - it will ruin half of the surprise and RP if I were to share the full details. It is rather like a medieval kingdom, but there is a lot more to it than that...

Even so, the only really "new" kingdom is the Ballasera one... Give that kingdom to a woman ;(!

Originally posted by Tseng

Gryffon frequently disagrees with me, leading to a debate wherein we explain why we feel the way we do, and having more information, thus are better able to come to a decision?

He also frequently thinks that he is right about everything and really doesn't have much RP talent, but that's another story...

Originally posted by Tseng

I'm one of those people who doesn't trust others very easily. That's who I am; I naturally will tend to want to work with people who I already know the abilities and qualities of, instead of taking a risk. And as I said before - I am willing to give you a chance, in time. But, to be perfectly honest, we aren't in great need of many new staff at the moment.

As a manger, that is something that you need to get over. The downfall of 2k1 started when everyone started to hire their friends...

Originally posted by Tseng

Player input is always valuable - In a sense, the players got to make the first cut in the decision of new kingdoms by suggesting the new one themselves.

That's what I am saying, but in your last post you are saying that what you say is law and can't be contested...

Originally posted by Tseng

Agreed - but it would be more productive if it was phrased in the form of a question, rather than in the form of an attack.

I don't mean to attack, it's just the way it comes out. I will try to refrain from turning posts into attacks.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Valder
As a manger, that is something that you need to get over. The downfall of 2k1 started when everyone started to hire their friends...

suffix that with 'who did not have skills in the area they were hired for', and it'll be correct.

[Valder]

Originally posted by Tseng


suffix that with 'who did not have skills in the area they were hired for', and it'll be correct.

It's still true though regardless of how you put it.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Valder


It's still true though regardless of how you put it.

Well, I was speaking in general; but specifically, I don't hire people who are my friends - For the most part I have been hiring people who I've had experience working with in the past; that is the closed hiring system I explained earlier. However, I suppose I did not explain my main reasoning:

-They are familiar with the server
-They are familiar with how things work
-They are familiar with how I work

[GryffonDurime]

Even so, the only really "new" kingdom is the Ballasera one... Give that kingdom to a woman ;(!

Isn't that kind of....sexsist? Oh well. Anyone who wants to discuss any of the Kingdom selections or any other relevant topics, please feel free to contact me on my AIM, kid zen5.

[Valder]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime

Isn't that kind of....sexsist? Oh well. Anyone who wants to discuss any of the Kingdom selections or any other relevant topics, please feel free to contact me on my AIM, kid zen5.

Not sexist. I just think that Ballasera would be best fitted by having a woman that is a GOVERNESS, not a queen. It just seems better if you did that IMO.

[GryffonDurime]

Still, favoring someone for a job or position because of gender when it's not absolutly needed is sexism. It's not absolutly needed that Bellasera have a female Roi, but that's not to say it must be a male Roi, either. Whoever is beleived best for the job will receive it if they agree to the responsibilities it includes.

[Valder]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
Still, favoring someone for a job or position because of gender when it's not absolutly needed is sexism. It's not absolutly needed that Bellasera have a female Roi, but that's not to say it must be a male Roi, either. Whoever is beleived best for the job will receive it if they agree to the responsibilities it includes.

Jeez
You are turning everything into an arugment
I simply stated that I think it would be best to have a woman as leader. It's one persons opinion and it's not like my opinion is gonna make a difference.

[brock128]

I find the "4 best kingdoms" thing hard to belive. Considering only 1 is original, and 3 are "hi we're like old kingdoms but we're not."

[Valder]

Originally posted by brock128
I find the "4 best kingdoms" thing hard to belive. Considering only 1 is original, and 3 are "hi we're like old kingdoms but we're not."

Don't bother saying it. Signas already told me that his kingdom is nothing like dustari. Gryffon just doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Waltz5]

As everyone else basically said, Kaitou seems like the place to be. It fits my character. But if I had my choice, I'd still like to be in a small band of Orc's destroying whole kingdoms. People had the most fun when the Orc's were around.

[MrCharles]

Originally posted by Waltz5
As everyone else basically said, Kaitou seems like the place to be. It fits my character. But if I had my choice, I'd still like to be in a small band of Orc's destroying whole kingdoms. People had the most fun when the Orc's were around.

remember that time when we killed people

[GryffonDurime]

We had about 11 submissions for Kingdoms. Those were the best four. Simple.

[Tseng]

Kaitou is a group of ninja, by the way.

[brock128]

Originally posted by Tseng
Kaitou is a group of ninja, by the way.

...oh god no.

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
We had about 11 submissions for Kingdoms. Those were the best four. Simple.

You mean the 4 submitted by your buddes? I think, and i'm sure almost all of 2k1 will agree, that my kingdom is better then "it's zormite only it's called zorbi" Heck, anything is. A group of herbivoric dancing monkeys is better then Zorbis.

[GryffonDurime]

No offense, but this sounds a lot like being bitter that your kingdom didn't fly. Which Kingdom was it?

[Waltz5]

Originally posted by MrCharles


remember that time when we killed people

Ya, those were the days...

[brock128]

Originally posted by GryffonDurime
No offense, but this sounds a lot like being bitter that your kingdom didn't fly. Which Kingdom was it?

Irindale.

And it's not that, i'd be fine if the kingdoms submitted were better (and probabally be thinking "why didn't I think of that? Grr.") But the fact that kingdoms that probabally took 3 seconds to think about beat everything else kind of ticks me off.

[tlf288]

I never join kingdoms. I just fight them all
on my own because I rock and can take
them all on.