Player Attributes: IP's

[Spark910]

It would be good if it recorded the last 10IP's and not just the last, this could help with spotting account sharers and help when it comes to IP ranges.

[Dude6252000]

That, or it should keep some log when they log on or something. But yeah, good idea ^_^

[kenyonandelliot]

Originally posted by Dude6252000
That, or it should keep some log when they log on or something. But yeah, good idea ^_^

Yeah thats a good idea example:

*kenyonandelliot logged on as 23.***.****.**
*kenyonandelliot logged off
*kenyonandelliot logged on as 25.***.****.**

Then staff will be like "Account Sharer!"

[Dach]

meh, dunno why but it seems that my IP changes every time I log on, or atleast that winipcfg thing or whatever window is just messing with me...

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by kenyonandelliot


Yeah thats a good idea example:

*kenyonandelliot logged on as 23.***.****.**
*kenyonandelliot logged off
*kenyonandelliot logged on as 25.***.****.**

Then staff will be like "Account Sharer!"

Not all the time and when checking IPs you need to find out ALL the ranges of an ISP. Many ISP have more than one range and don't all start with the same first 2 sets of numbers. This is why when you check on someone you really need to check thoughly as not to jump to a quick conclusion and unjust banning.

[Brandon]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Not all the time and when checking IPs you need to find out ALL the ranges of an ISP. Many ISP have more than one range and don't all start with the same first 2 sets of numbers. This is why when you check on someone you really need to check thoughly as not to jump to a quick conclusion and unjust banning.

Not to mention that beyond that, there is also no rule against playing Graal from different locations - an account having been accessed from totally different IP addresses does not necessarily indicate account sharing.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Brandon


Not to mention that beyond that, there is also no rule against playing Graal from different locations - an account having been accessed from totally different IP addresses does not necessarily indicate account sharing.

True! And I haven't seen this post in a while, its a bit old.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Spark910


True! And I haven't seen this post in a while, its a bit old.

Maybe so but the info is still good and valid. I would not base account sharing on a changing IP because of the simple fact many are on static IPs and change constantly so to ban them would be a major injustice. You really need to base account sharing on something other than an IP , that in itself is not proof enough, unless of course you can prove the IPs are from different countries , that would be a horse of a different color.

[Brandon]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Maybe so but the info is still good and valid. I would not base account sharing on a changing IP because of the simple fact many are on static IPs and change constantly so to ban them would be a major injustice. You really need to base account sharing on something other than an IP , that in itself is not proof enough, unless of course you can prove the IPs are from different countries , that would be a horse of a different color.

That would be a dynamic IP address. Static IP addresses do not change.

Also - who's to say that a Graal player wont visit another country, and play Graal on his/her laptop while in the hotel? There is so much gray area here, it would be almost impossible to detect an account sharer by IP address alone.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Brandon


That would be a dynamic IP address. Static IP addresses do not change.

Also - who's to say that a Graal player wont visit another country, and play Graal on his/her laptop while in the hotel? There is so much gray area here, it would be almost impossible to detect an account sharer by IP address alone.

Thanks I stand corrected , and I agree it is not a good idea to base it on an IP alone. Btw it's not the first time I have mixed up the two , dynamic and static IPs.

[Jeff]

The idea would be that if someone is acting suspicious on a completely different IP than usual, there's probably something amiss.

[daboo]

If they really are using on ISP that has multiple ranges, just look up the reverse DNS, and it should resolve to the same ISP. Even if it isn't, how can you be sure they don't just have two ISPs? I remember that when we still had dial-up, we had two ISPs, one was a bit faster, but wouldn't disconnect as much, especially if only receiving a small amount of traffic (like talking on IRC, or possibly (guessing, since I didn't play Graal till I got broadband) idling in a slow traffic level on Graal, just PM'ing). The other one rarely disconnected, but was about 5-10k slower. Of course, they might just be using it at school, or their other parents house (if their parents are seperated). But is it really up to the server staff to decide, shouldn't they just point it out to Stefan and let him deal with it? In then end it would just be handy for server staff to be able to set good IP bans, or possibly RC rights.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Jeff
The idea would be that if someone is acting suspicious on a completely different IP than usual, there's probably something amiss.

If the person is acting totally out of character , causing trouble , cussing and such I agree it's worth looking into.

Originally posted by daboo
But is it really up to the server staff to decide, shouldn't they just point it out to Stefan and let him deal with it? In then end it would just be handy for server staff to be able to set good IP bans, or possibly RC rights.

No because it is our job to take care of these things not Stefans. Unixmad and Stefan only do an occasional Global ban (all servers) but then again there are Global Staff that do the bulk of this. Servers have the ability to server ban and IP ban on their server. It is up to the Manager who are given these rights, Managers have all the rights like this on a Server. I guess from your post you haven't been Staff or know much about Staff on a Server.

[zell12]

hehe I remember the differances between static and dynamic from npcs. Dynamic npcs that are liek monsters, static are ones like signs.

[Kramer]

Originally posted by zell12
hehe I remember the differances between static and dynamic from npcs. Dynamic npcs that are liek monsters, static are ones like signs.

heh, I remember from ecology, dynamic populations change while static stay the same.

[draygin]

If some one banned me because my ip didnt match the last time I logged on you better believe I would raise hell. I'm on dial up and I have at least 6 differen IP's 3 of those starting with different numbers. Like 201.**.***.*** or 46.***.***.*** If some one went on this information and banned my account I would be raising hell every place I could think of and I'm sure Unixmad and Stefan wouldnt appreciate something like that. ;x So in short this is a very bad idea to ban some one because IP's arnt all the same. Although if some one logs on and reports a hacker it would be very handy because he could talk with the staff and let them know which ip wasnt his. It's all in usage.