Opinions

[SSRobgeta]

I am deciding if I should still continue to make the HIDDEN "Renegade". Well I am going to tell you teh ideas and post what we have. First off, this is going to be TURN BASED. Yes amazing huh? It is possible so if anyone says it isn;'t I will rip their tounge out. Ok! Also, it's going to be an RPG but not RPG ruled, hard to explain, but it's gonna have EXP LVLS and skills etc and cut scene battle scenes, BUT we're not gonna cut out player interactivity. Also, we might even make parties. Party as in you can join another player and fight battles with him. But when you SPAR other players, you don't use the battle screen mode. You do Regular Graal mode. We are designing a new battle system, and we have a new way of leveling up. We're gonna make it so when you start, you have to fill out what your name is like all classic RPGs and thats what your naem will ALWAYS be so we don't get spammers etc. And you choose what you look like, but don't plan on changing your looks unless you buy clothes and armor etc. The way you encounter monsters might be different, because I hate it wen yur trying to explore then all of a sudden a battle appears ya know? And we might even have a little battle card system. Not sure how that will be run yet. We have gotten somewhere on the tileset and havent' really worked cause I just decided today I might give it another shot. We'll get working hard on this once we know the opinions...
-Rob Getashu

[SSRobgeta]

another..

[SSRobgeta]

Char design ..

O and all platforms are in smallest form for a reason. So don't be narrow headed and think they'll always be that small.

[SingleChance]

that looks really good actually....i really like the character design it looks awesome

[osrs]

yea,its nice.

[Mykel]

yes, nice...

[konidias]

lol *newsflash* Graal isn't isometric. How do you plan on using those tiles effectively?

[G_yoshi]

Sorry, needed to redo my post. Anyway, my Graphic Sniffer(tm) says that water "tile" in the bitmap file come from Zelda 3. Please take a look at my attached example. Other than that, I think the graphics look nice

*edit*
Where's the option to vote "I Don't Care" ?

[JrTerrorist]

Those are Shavo Mombetto's tiles that he was making for a MMPORG that was cancelled.. he's currently working for Renegade.

[G_yoshi]

Regardless, I've detected similarities. Plus...STOP YOUR SPAMMING! If you can't I know who will

[Spark910]

What have you got to loose? * Go ahead and do it, may as well.

And remeber graal couldn't do 2002 until it was changed to do so, and if Renegade is good enough, Stefan may be willing to code graal to work for them, like NW did (Didnt they as it was all different?)

*Please note you may loose your dignity, but its worth it, inside you'll know you did best, just go for it, it will change graal forever, so do it!

[Qwert616]

Hm...

I suppose you are going for a server like Final Fantasy Tactics? The squire picture is almost the same as FFT's squire.



Good luck though.

[konidias]

You're so right. The guys look near identical and they would be wearing the same exact outfit except the FF tactics guy has a brown shirt on underneath so his arms are brown instead of bare.

I say give up on this project before you waste any more time. People are already spotting obvious referenced materials from your art, the idea you have isn't really original, and you're not going to get a good isometric style unless Stefan were to hardcode a new isometric system into Graal for you.

My advice would be to stop looking at other games, and get some paper and a pencil and start writing down/drawing your own ideas and thoughts for an rpg. Instead of just taking bits and pieces from a bunch of games and then calling it your own work. Sure, I play other RPG's for idea inspiration, but I don't go and copy their artwork to look nearly identical. I just get ideas based off of the gameplay.

[Qwert616]

A strategy server similar to Final Fantasy Tactics/Tactics Ogre would be fun though.
Although, it would probably work better as a very intricate mini-game/side quest. :|

[konidias]

Seems like you just resized the small character by 200% and then traced it or something... then went back in and made the pixelation smooth, changed the eye position, and gave him different hair.

[Waltz5]

Looks great, yet I agree with Koni.

[Qwert616]

Originally posted by konidias
Seems like you just resized the small character by 200% and then traced it or something... then went back in and made the pixelation smooth, changed the eye position, and gave him different hair.

Wow, its more alike than I originally thought. :X

[JrTerrorist]

Originally posted by G_yoshi
Regardless, I've detected similarities. Plus...STOP YOUR SPAMMING! If you can't I know who will

Explaining how the tiles were made to make sure people didnt think Rob did them is considered spamming..?

[JrTerrorist]

This a post im doing for Shavo Mombetto

My advice would be to stop looking at other games, and get some paper and a pencil and start writing down/drawing your own ideas and thoughts for an rpg. Instead of just taking bits and pieces from a bunch of games and then calling it your own work. Sure, I play other RPG's for idea inspiration, but I don't go and copy their artwork to look nearly identical. I just get ideas based off of the gameplay.

Yes, Konidias, there are similarities in the tiles, but to get tiles to look effective, such as water tiles, all tiles will look similar. I could point out many ideas taken from other Role-Playing games, such as your item system, Obvious rip-off of Secret of Mana. Though I do not care for your input, and see you as a low form of human life, I take your critism into consideration.Those tiles are not the exact tileset, We have them blended together to make one tileset, which works better than having a complete isometric-based system. Using functions such as Z-Axis will help in this, also with the help of gani makers, and I myself being one, this project can be easily accomplished.

Now, as for the system, I do not think rob completely understands what we both have in mind, so Here is a brief overview:
-Yes, there will be an isometric-style feel to it, but it will not really involve that much heavy scripting, nor will it involve intensive work for long periods of time.
-Items, similar to that in MANY Strategy games, Not JUST FFT, but as Kartia, Ogre Battles, ect., Will be gained by defeating or killing an enemy.
-The Q-Menu system will be the the worst part of the scripting, which is why I have proposed to have that done first before the tiles.
-Battles will go similar to what Rob has said.

Now, Konidias, and those who have given negative input, what you fail to realize is, is that there is no form of originality whatsoever in the world. Everything that any one or group of person claims to be original, has in fact been done before. Graal 2002 goes with the flow of the MMORPG Ultima Online. Graal, Zelda, slightly modified.

The purpose of this playerworld project is to bring a new experience to graal, just like your server, Oasis, will do. Here is an example of how the tiles will be done:

s for the Character Sprites, Yes, this server does use the original Final Fantasy Tactics squire sprite as a TEMPLATE, nothing more. Yes, it is enlarged by 200%, and we have used the body quardinates to fit. Seeing as how, though, the exact appendage and stance is the only similarity, it is both legal and liable. Once OUR Squire sprite sheet is completed, we will use OUR Squire as a template for other character classes and races.

I would have said this, But seeing as how Rob did not ask me what to post, but posted what he thought was correct, I am sorry for an confusion or inconvience this would have caused you. Fortunately, intelligent people noticed similarities, and Konidias noticed our use of the FFT Squire sprite sheet used as a template. This just gives us better incite on what to improove and what to change to give the server's quality a slight boost in originality.

Contact me: (Shavo Mombetto)
[email protected] by e-mail or BlindGuardianIE by AIM

[konidias]

Originally posted by JrTerrorist
This a post im doing for Shavo Mombetto

Yes, Konidias, there are similarities in the tiles, but to get tiles to look effective, such as water tiles, all tiles will look similar. I could point out many ideas taken from other Role-Playing games, such as your item system, Obvious rip-off of Secret of Mana. Though I do not care for your input, and see you as a low form of human life, I take your critism into consideration.

Contact me: (Shavo Mombetto)
[email protected] by e-mail or BlindGuardianIE by AIM

Woah there hoss, I didn't say anything about your tiles. That was GYoshi, I agree that water tiles are going to look the same a lot of the times, I was just pointing out the character copy. My item system isn't a rip-off of Secret of Mana, the system is NOTHING like it, besides it being in a ring. Ring selection systems have been around forever, you can't tell me it's an "obvious rip-off".

But you are mistaken, there is such a thing as originality. EVERYTHING hasn't been done already, that would be impossible. Having a ring inventory system and having hats and pets aren't "ripped" ideas. But taking a graphic and just modifying it IS ripping.

By the way, posting for someone else is against the rules.

[JrTerrorist]

Thrashsoul posted pics of Oasis for you, so I wouldnt talk

[melissa1988]

From what I understand, he was showing those examples to give people an IDEA of what they are going to do. It doesn't mean that when the server begins further development that this stuff will be the exact same thing.

[JrTerrorist]

Originally posted by thrashsoul
Ok im thrash, konidias is banned from forums so...
im gonna post some oasis screenshots.

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...threadid=41781

[konidias]

Originally posted by JrTerrorist
Thrashsoul posted pics of Oasis for you, so I wouldnt talk

1. He posted pics of Oasis. He did not say "I'm posting these for Konidias"
2. I wasn't posting for somebody else.

You're clearly posting for someone else, and trying to justify it by pointing fingers isn't going to work. Posting some screenshots of a playerworld and posting a message for someone are two totally different things. If I post screenshots of a videogame am I breaking the rules by posting for the game company when they don't have an account? No.

I didn't tell him to post the screenshots, and I didn't tell him he couldn't either.

[JrTerrorist]

Is "Konidias is banned so Im posting pic of Oasis" not close enough to "Im posting these for him" to suit your needs?

[konidias]

Originally posted by JrTerrorist
Is "Konidias is banned so Im posting pic of Oasis" not close enough to "Im posting these for him" to suit your needs?

I showed him the screenshots over aim, he asked me if he could post them on the forums, I said he could. I don't see how that is telling him to post something for me.

If the line "konidias is banned" wasn't there, would it make that big of a difference? He was just stating a fact. Apparently you're just too stupid to read correctly.

By the way, stop spamming the playerworld forums. I see "last posted by JrTerrorist" in like 30 threads. You need a life guy. :P

[JrTerrorist]

He would have never posted the screenshots if not for you. You gave them to him, thus giving him the sudden urge for him to do so. Him not including "i'm doing this for Konidias" deny's the fact that he did it of his own free will, because you can easily see he did it by influence from you.

Originally posted by konidias
By the way, stop spamming the playerworld forums. I see "last posted by JrTerrorist" in like 30 threads. You need a life guy. :P

Sorry I decide to come on the forums later on when i've alreayd lived out the day.

[konidias]

Now you're just being ridiculous, you might as well claim I caused someone to murder somebody because I sneezed outside on a windy day.

By the way, in one thread you have:

- Spammed
- Went off topic
- Posted for somebody else

Trying to break a record for most rules broken in a single thread?

[JrTerrorist]

Where did I spam?

[konidias]

Originally posted by JrTerrorist
Where did I spam?

The quoted post with the link. You didn't speak a single word in it.

[JrTerrorist]

Its only considered spam if it's a post with no point. Obviously your running out of ways to make me look bad.

That is NOT spam because its information of thrashsoul doing something, and you dont seem to give a rats ass when people spam in all the other posts.

[Waltz5]

Originally posted by JrTerrorist
Its only considered spam if it's a post with no point. Obviously your running out of ways to make me look bad.

No.
Spam can be a post with no point, but it can also be excessive posting. Which obviously fits you.
They also say that you should not just post a link or a smilie, say something.
And you're making yourself look bad.

Anyways,back on topic.
I would like to see you guys change the character so it's not a direct rip. Other that that, I think you guys have something, it would be quite interesting to see it going together and how houses will look.

[JrTerrorist]

What do you mean a direct rip ?

[Kinatt]

This is one of the stupidest arguments I have ever seen.. Jr.. you spam.. you argue for no reason other than to say your right and their wrong when clearly you are at fault and just cannot admit to it. There is a problem with the Picture it is basically a recolor.. bad recolor.. but a recolor non the less.

And before you say how is that a recolor let me explain what a recolor is because I doubt you know what it is because your arguing saying "How is it a rip?"

- A recolor consists of basically copying an outline and changing the colors in between.
- Black is a color so even though you may say its an outline and you changed the original sprite you have not you have just added another color in it to make it look different, the same outline is still there.

Yes. This is a simple subject, again I repeat this is one of the stupidest arguments I have ever seen. Isometric view may be possible I don't know, and I won't claim to know how it would work with graal, but it may be a good idea.. I have no clue.

I spam alot of nonsense Jr. but I admit to it, why can't you?

Konidias is doing alot of heated critisism against this project but he does have a right, it is a rival playerworld right? And the topic is, "do you think this would be a good idea?".. so he just stated his opinion which is obviously a well rounded NO.

I for one think it is a good idea if you can think of a different sprite technique, you can always use the squire as a reference since you are not professional graphic designers. (even they sometimes use others work as reference to HOW it is done) Just do not ever copy and post because as you have witnessed, someone will notice the similarity and slam you hard. The tiles are great though, the idea is an alright one as well..

So my conclusion is Jr. you need to handle critism and accept when something is just a "rip" not be so hard headed it would not only make you look very intelligent and personable but also show that you may have not known it was such a big deal and be a much more humble person and presentable as well.. thus in the end making you more liked by everyone. ^_^ Again Jr. this is NOT a flame please do not take it as an insult it is just some advice to help you throughout your life.

-"it is better to appear stupid, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt".

[JrTerrorist]

...?
Thanks for explaining the direct rip fiasco, but let me tell you one thing sir.

I honestly dont care what people think of me, all that matters to me is friends, family, and myself.

The entire graal community could hate me and send me hate PM's (etc) and I'd still play graal if I chose too.

Koni's called me an ass, why doesnt anyone else? Oo;;

[SSRobgeta]

Well, I am honesty happy for all the opinions, *cough*, but I still don't know if I could ACCOMPLISH this project to it's fullest. I need maybe some GFX makers who CAN make sprites and maybe 1 or 2 more scripters.. Ideas are coming constantly to me and The Character, squire, was not the offical body. Shavo was just offering an idea. I might even come to do the body. So, if anyone would be WILLING to offer, please contact me. As spark said, I just wanna bring some new EXPERIENCE to Graal.

[Kinatt]

Originally posted by SSRobgeta
Well, I am honesty happy for all the opinions, *cough*, but I still don't know if I could ACCOMPLISH this project to it's fullest. I need maybe some GFX makers who CAN make sprites and maybe 1 or 2 more scripters.. Ideas are coming constantly to me and The Character, squire, was not the offical body. Shavo was just offering an idea. I might even come to do the body. So, if anyone would be WILLING to offer, please contact me. As spark said, I just wanna bring some new EXPERIENCE to Graal.

lol, yes this thread got a little.. off topic. You can accomplish anything you are willing to put the effort into, a Playerworld takes over 10k in hours to do ( maybe more? ) and alot of "strife" (get it?)

I kinda guessed it wasn't the official body hehe.. since its still in planning. A good idea would be to write it all down in a .txt file about everything you are going to do from the small button assignments to the tileset requirements. My advice if you haven't done so already

Graal -is- in definite need of a new experience.

[SSRobgeta]

Originally posted by Kinatt


lol, yes this thread got a little.. off topic. You can accomplish anything you are willing to put the effort into, a Playerworld takes over 10k in hours to do ( maybe more? ) and alot of "strife" (get it?)

I kinda guessed it wasn't the official body hehe.. since its still in planning. A good idea would be to write it all down in a .txt file about everything you are going to do from the small button assignments to the tileset requirements. My advice if you haven't done so already

Graal -is- in definite need of a new experience.

hehe, and I just looked at your sig and now I have imgs in my mind that shouldn't be there! I HATE YOU! j/k

[Brad]

10,000 hours? I think you may be a bit off there.


Theres about 8700, maybe a bit more or less.? Hours in a year. I doubt anyone spends even close to 1k hours.

[Kinatt]

Combined hours of all the people working on the project would equal a high number It was a guess. I don't think anyone times their hourly input into a GOOD server Lets see how many hours have been put into Graal 2k2 and its not even that good.

I am sorry for those images lol. I have never seen what Unixmad looks like or if I have I didn't know it was him. So I have no pictures in my mind :P

If someone doesn't spend 1k hours on a pw then that pw will surely suck major ...