Chrismas, New Year and 2003 !

[Admins]

The VIP thing is not taking away things from Gold Members, it's when you don't have gold account yet then you can get some gold features without paying for the gold thing.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by SingleChance
part of upgrading to gold allowed me to create guilds. Now you can only create guilds with this new VIP account. so, i have to pay more for something i could do before? I'm getting ripped off.

i re upgraded to gold in october for another year just to post on these forums, i do not play gold servers that much. Now this new VIP account lets me do the exact same thing plus test new features for less money. I'm getting ripped off again.

There's a big time difference between October and December. Yeah, its a little upsetting, I suppose, to see what is now offered, but that's life. No one ever said it was going to be fair so get over it and move on. My time is due soon (49 more days). I'll be putting up my money for that VIP for obvious reasons

I would say if you first purchased your Gold account around autumn time, it'd probably wise to re-upgrade for 3 months sometimes so that you can see what may be revealed in December. Its a little trend I've noticed Since Graal2001 started, at the end of every year, a big notice has been put up informing of impending changes.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by Stefan
The VIP thing is not taking away things from Gold Members, it's when you don't have gold account yet then you can get some gold features without paying for the gold thing.

Cool. But if we upgrade for VIP we can have more than Gold. See people you don't get anything taken away from you which ive been trying to say. Just VIP You get more. But does it not take guild creating?

[VampiricTutorNewHD]

I'll tell you one thing, one of these days someone is going to take offense to this bull **** and look into Cyberjouers for fraud. Because that is what this is. The claim when Graal went all-p2p is fraud, because they actually listed the stuff you could do. With this VIP thing, that is all changed.

[SingleChance]

Originally posted by Stefan
The VIP thing is not taking away things from Gold Members, it's when you don't have gold account yet then you can get some gold features without paying for the gold thing.

but if you do have a gold account already that you just upgraded a couple months ago, and now VIP lets me do what i want and is cheaper then gold what then...thanks for screwing me over.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Stefan
The VIP thing is not taking away things from Gold Members, it's when you don't have gold account yet then you can get some gold features without paying for the gold thing.

Which is what I love about it Should rename it to Platinum account rather than VIP. I'd say there are very few people that would be worthy of such a title and I'm not one of them. But anyway, I'm glad about this little announcement and I can't wait till I pay for that VIP account and get to join in the testing of the 3D stuffs.

[draco5432]

OK i have a question i just got my gold account like 2 weeks ago, and now i have to pay again to get guilds, ect. what the heck I was lucky enough to get a gold account!

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD
I'll tell you one thing, one of these days someone is going to take offense to this bull **** and look into Cyberjouers for fraud. Because that is what this is. The claim when Graal went all-p2p is fraud, because they actually listed the stuff you could do. With this VIP thing, that is all changed.

You're only the billionth person to spout of such a threat Unfortunate for you, there are many of players that probably don't feel ripped off. In fact, for me, this works out quite nicely since my gold account is going to be up within a month.

Originally posted by SingleChance


but if you do have a gold account already that you just upgraded a couple months ago, and now VIP lets me do what i want and is cheaper then gold what then...thanks for screwing me over.

Perhaps if you'd ask a little more nicely, they'd might be willing to work with you. Throwing hissy fits is only going to cause them to turn away because they have better things to do, I'm sure, than to sit here and listen to a bunch of people whine like they are now.

[LOA--Paul]

OK, I have a guild currently, and I'm a gold subscriber (obviously) now if I don't subscribe to VIP, will I lose my guild, LOA?

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD


Don't move, there is something brown on your nose.

Sorry if you think that, but I'm not. You as well as many other people do not have any experience running a business. Neither do I, but I seem to understand this much better than you do. I'm pretty sure Cyberjouyers knows what its doing far better than any of us could even comprehend so your attacks and threats are pretty much useless.

I guess we can chalk up another one for the anti-graal people . They absolutely disgust me with thier misinformation and lies that they spread.

[Spark910]

No one has screwed you ovber, VIP Is cheap to make it take off and get people intrested, it will raise at a later date its just cheapr for a while for YOU and not for anyone else, they have done a favor by doing that. And VIP is if you dont want gold so you dont have to upgrade to is most are ahppy with just Classic.

Stefan can you reply to my PM about that documentation i sent you, i expected feedback/a reply.

Food Time, Ill be back in 2mins, this thread will probably be about 20 pages long then!! People try it before you are going to complain about it, I promise you everything will work out.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD


Yes, well some of us registered for an entire year. Alot of people register in the summer, when they have work and as a result money. What are you going to tell them?

Some of us don't have rich parents that buy us whatever we want. Some of us actually earn our money.

OH! But guess what? I have to work for my money too! OMG! Sorry, that attacked failed and very miserably at that too.

Again, perhaps if you and several others would stop acting like a bunch of rabid animals and behave like a mature person, perhaps you could ask and possibly persuade Unixmad or Stefan to implement something for those that have full year Gold accounts and want to transfer it to a VIP. Heck, since you paid $40 for it, break it in two and you get 2 years of VIP since its only $19 for one year. But at this rate, I'd say you're just going to wind up blue in the face due to lack of oxygen from all your screaming.

[brock128]

Originally posted by Stefan
The VIP thing is not taking away things from Gold Members, it's when you don't have gold account yet then you can get some gold features without paying for the gold thing.

Then why in the name of bob dole does it say you can create guilds only with VIP, that in order to own a playerworld you need a VIP account, and all that stuff?

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[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD


More likely my fingers will get a cramp than my face turn blue. And I would not put much hope on Unixmad or Stefan arranging something like that.

That's what you get for behaving the way you are. Either one would probably be more than willing to work with you and several others about this but not if you're going to behave like a 3 year old. If you really want to be compensated, then I'd suggest changing your attitude and behavior and calmy put together a group of people that will express the same concerns in a non-angry way. Usually, that is by far more effective than shouting, ranting, and so forth. But hey, what do I know, hmm? I'm just another nobody who's suggestions are worthless because someone is too afraid to try them. So what if they didn't work? Perhaps it will lead to something else later on down the road. The future is always uncertain. Anything and everything can happen at anytime and any place. So to say that you know the emminent future of Graal is rather bogus and only shows how little you are trying to percieve.

[Spark910]

Yes but Managing a PW had nothing to do with Gold accounts so its not taking anything away, and guilds is the only thing that will change as far as I can see. Also people are replying as if its only about them everyone will or wont be effected together, so no need to be all me me me about it. Im bored to changing subject to what this post was first supposed to be about:

The website is good although I'd like to see info about PWs online like old site as that was good. I ahve info I did for Stefan i'd like to see it used as it will help people who play and help attract players as they may like the sound of one.

Old classic Server will be great for everyone, old and new players, Cant wait.

3D Game sounds great, Graal 3D *Drools*

[VampiricTutorNewHD]

I'm just another nobody who's suggestions are worthless because someone is too afraid to try them

I'm glad we can agree on at least one thing.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Spark910

Suggestion:
Graal will be VERY big to download you should offer when you get the 3D world anyway, offer maybe a disk version of it for really low, or get an account on kazza and leave it open all the time so people can downlaod off it without breaking connections.

What proof have you? Comparing 2D to 3D in terms of physical storage, 3D takes up much less than what 2D does. The big trouble comes when you have large and/or hi-quality textures involved. Those will be the bulk of your download. Other than that, actual 3D maps and character meshes will be rather simple and quick to download.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD


I'm glad we can agree on at least one thing.

Heh, you're just being stubborn. Unfortunately for you, you won't get what you want with that attitude. You'll just have to walk away all flustered and sobbing.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Spark910
Yes but Managing a PW had nothing to do with Gold accounts so its not taking anything away, and guilds is the only thing that will change as far as I can see. Also people are replying as if its only about them everyone will or wont be effected together, so no need to be all me me me about it. Im bored to changing subject to what this post was first supposed to be about:

The website is good although I'd like to see info about PWs online like old site as that was good. I ahve info I did for Stefan i'd like to see it used as it will help people who play and help attract players as they may like the sound of one.

Old classic Server will be great for everyone, old and new players, Cant wait.

3D Game sounds great, Graal 3D *Drools*

Stefan already stated it was an accident about the guild thing. Gold accounts will still get permission to create guilds as he had indicated in a different thread.

And Graal 3D? I have the 3 old versions of it

[Mustang1988]

Does that mean once my Gold Subscription runs out, and I'm a VIP member I can still do all the gold stuff and more?
Or just on Saturdays?

[Spark910]

From what ive hear yes.

Gold Is Highest.....

Manage a PW: Gold/VIP
Player GOLD Servers: Gold/VIP
Make a guild: Gold/VIP

See theres nothing abd about it, EVERYONE who has GOLD will not be effectted so your all confused and complaining over NOTHING as nothing at all shall change for you. Unix by saying you ened VIP for a guild ment (I think) you need VIP Or Higher.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD


I'm not obsessed enough with this game to cry over it, or I'd be doing what you are doing now and butt-kissing.

You are having a hard time distinguishing between butt-kissing and general love for this game.

I don't need to do anything like that around here to get what I want most often. Because I have a good attitude and I don't go around spouting off lies and misinformation like you, I'm more likely to be able to be heard and taken more seriously than you'll be at this point.

Heck, I didn't have to brown-nose anyone to get permission to use the 3D terrain for my playerworld. But since Graal will be allowing full 3D, I won't be needing the terrain anymore for the most part. This unfortunately sounds arrogant, but its true.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Mustang1988
Does that mean once my Gold Subscription runs out, and I'm a VIP member I can still do all the gold stuff and more?
Or just on Saturdays?

No. It will be just as it has been, you account will revert to the Classic until you pay for either the Gold or VIP account. Go and check the site, it will tell you better than I can.

[VampiricTutorNewHD]

Originally posted by G_yoshi


You are having a hard time distinguishing between butt-kissing and general love for this game.

I don't need to do anything like that around here to get what I want most often. Because I have a good attitude and I don't go around spouting off lies and misinformation like you, I'm more likely to be able to be heard and taken more seriously than you'll be at this point.

Heck, I didn't have to brown-nose anyone to get permission to use the 3D terrain for my playerworld. But since Graal will be allowing full 3D, I won't be needing the terrain anymore for the most part. This unfortunately sounds arrogant, but its true.

What lies and misinformation? I can understand why someone who's first language isn't English couldn't understand my sarcasm, but what you are saying is what Stefan is saying. You not being able to understand sarcasm is inexcusable.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD


What lies and misinformation? I can understand why someone who's first language isn't English couldn't understand my sarcasm, but what you are saying is what Stefan is saying. You not being able to understand sarcasm is inexcusable.

Oh please. Stop. You're killing me here

Lets play the game where if I'm losing, I change my act and pretend to be sarcastic That's a fun game that no one will ever lose at!

Never once did your words ever indicate sarcasm. Otherwise you would've stated it. It would help if I could hear a voice perhaps? Its rather unsafe to assume someone is being sarcastic when they are posting on a forum without indicating otherwise. Perhaps I can believe everyone is being sarcastic and then throw myself into the denial that they don't mean what they say

[Loriel]

Originally posted by brock128

Then why in the name of bob dole does it say you can create guilds only with VIP, that in order to own a playerworld you need a VIP account, and all that stuff?
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Although I do not know bob dole, I have to agree.

Originally posted as exclusive features for VIPs
Participate in testing pre-release Graal technology. We will open Graal 3D for VIP Preview early next year!
Create Guilds, join reserved events, use special items
Access a special Forum to get Graal development news direct from our Dev Team. Suggest ideas and features that you'd like to see in future releases of Graal.
Apply for a PlayerWorld to develop your own virtual world and community. This is subject to terms and conditions, as well as separate pricing. We will announce details soon

It seems pretty clear to me that VIP provides features that a gold account does not have.
It says " This is an upgrade-only, so you must first have a Graal Classic Membership or currently subscribing to Graal Gold."
It seems pretty clear to me that VIP provides features that a gold account does not have, otherwise no one would subscripe to it while being a gold member.

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But well, I am only interpreting what I read. I am not posting lies, only my interpretation. I do not claim that what I post is the truth. I am only interesting in finding out if it is.

[VampiricTutorNewHD]

Originally posted by G_yoshi


Oh please. Stop. You're killing me here

Lets play the game where if I'm losing, I change my act and pretend to be sarcastic That's a fun game that no one will ever lose at!

Never once did your words ever indicate sarcasm. Otherwise you would've stated it. It would help if I could hear a voice perhaps? Its rather unsafe to assume someone is being sarcastic when they are posting on a forum without indicating otherwise. Perhaps I can believe everyone is being sarcastic and then throw myself into the denial that they don't mean what they say

I am assuming you are drafting your flawed opinion about my lies and misinformation from the comment about Graal Tax. That was a sarcastic remark. I'm dead serious about everything else. And if I am killing you, all the power to me.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD
I am assuming you are drafting your flawed opinion about my lies and misinformation from the comment about Graal Tax. That was a sarcastic remark. I'm dead serious about everything else. And if I am killing you, all the power to me.

Graal tax? Huh?

[VampiricTutorNewHD]

It was in the other post.

[Googi]

If you hate VIP so much, then just don't upgrade to it. Any normal player can have fun on Graal without VIP. Yes, I'm a normal player, and yes I will upgrade to VIP, but only because I like to get news as soon as possible, most people don't mind getting news a little later.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by VampiricTutorNewHD
It was in the other post.

Then I know nothing about it. I don't keep up with silly things like that :P

[Spark910]

anyway a VIP will tell others about news so it will prob get out.

[Googi]

Originally posted by Spark910
anyway a VIP will tell others about news so it will prob get out.

Umm...you do realise that will probably be made against the rules don't you.

[CheeToS2]

I hope the guild thing doesn't take effect on your account until it runs out, otherwise its kind of ex-post facto -_-
Also, what does it mean by "access to special items"? Does it mean people who pay money will be able to become stronger than everyone else? x.x

It sounds to me like everything is just getting more and more expensive, I could hardly afford to upgrade my account for 3 months.. *sigh*

Hmm, it doesn't make much sense to me to make people pay money to be able to test stuff either, all it does is help you, it doesn't cost your business any money.

oh well:o

[EDIT]

Originally posted by Googi


Umm...you do realise that will probably be made against the rules don't you.

how do you suppose they'll be able to detect who did it? Delete everybodies VIP accounts? Oh no!
[/EDIT]

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Googi


Umm...you do realise that will probably be made against the rules don't you.

What's the point? It'll still get leaked anyway

[Googi]

Originally posted by CheeToS2
how do you suppose they'll be able to detect who did it? Delete everybodies VIP accounts? Oh no!

Well, they can't post it on the forums, and if they tell people, they run the risk of being ratted out.

[G_yoshi]

Originally posted by Googi


Well, they can't post it on the forums, and if they tell people, they run the risk of being ratted out.

Well, we don't exactly know if it that is correct or not, ok? So let's leave it at that until an official statement has been made.

[unixmad]

All this negative comments for what ?

Because we make a special VIP type of subscription:

* To let peoples use the Graal communication center without gold access (isn't it what you were asking before)
* Play on Gold servers all Saturday
* Play events organized by Linux Cyberjoueurs Staff (Konidias)
* Use new software freely (Graal 3D, we work on that since months)
* Be able to manage guilds and Player Worlds (Chong is rewriting all this software to make them more powerful and this cost money)

All that for less than the price of a cake each month! Then what's the problem ? If you don't want to be VIP then that's your choise but don't push other to do like you.

Asherons Call 2 cost $50 on shop and you have only 1 month of gameplay, On Graal you pay $19 and you play lifetime + you get 3 months of gameplay on all gold servers !

Then it's hard for me to hear all this complains, most of you play Graal each day more than 4 hours! Have you some idea of what cost the renting of 10 servers, the salaries of 4 peoples, the renting of a office in Paris?

We are putting all our energy to try to make old customers happy when most company will have focused on new market, it will be mush easier for us to just stop new features and publish Graal in Europe, Asia or make a completly new game.

It was a pleasure to work hard to give you all this new feature and now when i see all this complain it's really not worst the effort !

[tlf288]

I totaly understand you unixmad. I just went and VIP access.

You better not jsut want to be greedy and make me waste my money just kidding!

[CheeToS2]

Originally posted by unixmad
All this negative comments for what ?

You've listed the pro's, we're only commenting on the cons :x