chain mail

[davidpsy]

now i make real chain mail in real life. what i do is buy wire then i rap it around a coil with a drill then i cut the coil to make rings. then i learn different chain mail paterins and make chain mail its hard work and takes time i was thinking for graal 2002 you could take a iron bar and make a coil and wire snippers and you would need to have to buy like a book to teach you paterins and you could also craft iron in to wire to make chain mail with like 1 gold nugget would = 10 gold rings and i iron bar would equal like 15 iron rings now there would be tons of different paterins this one i like the most i mat make some gfx for this.

very cool!! dragon mail i can make this in real life i woud post some pictures but i dont want to go get the camria.

[konidias]

That chainmail pattern would be HEAVY.

[davidpsy]

maby you could use magic to make it light...

[konidias]

I mean in real life it would be heavy..

Now rivetted mail on the other hand.. good strong protection and not as many rings needed.

[-Axel-]

Originally posted by davidpsy
now i make real chain mail in real life. what i do is buy wire then i rap it around a coil with a drill then i cut the coil to make rings. then i learn different chain mail paterins and make chain mail its hard work and takes time i was thinking for graal 2002 you could take a iron bar and make a coil and wire snippers and you would need to have to buy like a book to teach you paterins and you could also craft iron in to wire to make chain mail with like 1 gold nugget would = 10 gold rings and i iron bar would equal like 15 iron rings now there would be tons of different paterins this one i like the most i mat make some gfx for this.

very cool!! dragon mail i can make this in real life i woud post some pictures but i dont want to go get the camria.

PERIODS.ARE.NICE.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

It takes on arrow to pierce that, you know

[konidias]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
It takes on arrow to pierce that, you know

Nah.. arrow wouldn't pierce that lol

A spear perhaps, but not an arrow. Although you can't "pierce" chainmail, you can shatter it though. Obviously you aren't realising how small those metal rings are.

[cshank4]

Originally posted by konidias


Nah.. arrow wouldn't pierce that lol

A spear perhaps, but not an arrow. Although you can't "pierce" chainmail, you can shatter it though. Obviously you aren't realising how small those metal rings are.

An archer with a 50 LB Draw Streangth VS A Knight with chain mail and a short sword... Who would win? The arrow would go thru the armor like a knife thru butter

[Flamingblaze]

Armor became pointless the minute the longbow was invented, by cranking a wheel they could make HUGE tension and thus were able to split apart knights in heavy armor like a farmer using a scythe on wheat.

[-Axel-]

Originally posted by Flamingblaze
Armor became pointless the minute the longbow was invented, by cranking a wheel they could make HUGE tension and thus were able to split apart knights in heavy armor like a farmer using a scythe on wheat.

But bows were created in Ancient times =( Before knights.

[konidias]

Actually, bows and arrows weren't used that often in battle. More for hunting, the same with slings.

Neither were swords for that matter. I believe spears and axes were used most often.. although I could be wrong. Usually the warrior would have helmet, chainmail, a big circular shield that covered most of their body, and a spear. Perhaps even a guy to shield them while they attacked.

Bows and arrows were thought of as cowardly or something. They were mainly only used against Vikings...

However, JAVELINS were used often, and they could penetrate anything pretty much. There were even javelins made that had spikes on the end, that would make them harder to remove from whatever they struck. So if the javelin struck a guy's shield, it would weigh the shield down so that the person could no longer use it.

Also if a single javelin was thrown at someone, they could most likely catch it and throw it back. That's why they always threw many because you couldn't defend against it.

[evilive]

who knew that reading these forums would become history 101?

[GodSpeed]

I like this thread

To stay on topic:
I have worn chain mail in real life... yes it is heavy... I think there should be chain mail that can resist certain types of damage. Magic chain mail would resist magic only and would be very light, however if someone pokes you with a sharp stick you would die (unless of course, it is a magical stick)

[FFusion]

Originally posted by GodSpeed
I like this thread

To stay on topic:
I have worn chain mail in real life... yes it is heavy... I think there should be chain mail that can resist certain types of damage. Magic chain mail would resist magic only and would be very light, however if someone pokes you with a sharp stick you would die (unless of course, it is a magical stick)

Hmm.. A light chain mail wouldn't really make sense since chain mail isn't light. Maybe if it was some type of light clothing like a robe that resist magic. You would use bomy's skin to make cloth which would be used to make clothing?

[evilive]

Ya know, having a magical stick for a weapon would prolly be the coolest thing in the world

Hmmm.. but as for the chain mail, perhaps... hmmm... dunno what I can say here

[marrico]

the magic stick can go poof, thats it =)

[konidias]

Chainmail was usually worn on top of leather or a piece of felt with fabric on both sides, to prevent impacts from swords and stuff. Also, a material under the chainmail like leather (might even be attached to the chainmail) prevented the chainmail from ripping the person's clothes to shreds, or staining them.

I think javelin wars would rock.. basically you have a shield wall, composed of guys carrying large circular shields, and then you have the javelin throwers behind them. Then you could have the players throw their javelins at the opposing side, and if they hit a shield it would render it useless, or of they hit a player they would die. The player could also catch the javelin, which would be neat.

I truely can't see how kingdom wars will be evenly matched at all. Since there are some sorcerors on 2k2 right now that could kill an entire army with their silly ice storms and quick speed.

I just PRAY that arrows do some super damage, as they would be hard to aim at moving targets and such, it would be a big disadvantage. Plus the damned shields need to do some protection against arrows and swords.

[Megamaniac]

yeah i havnt noticed my shield do anything when someone is hitting it when im guarding with it

[Amagius]

Ya Know, people back then were very strong. Today, we are lazy compared to them. I bet they could wear that ChainMail, Sword, Shield, and all and still run the same speed. I know there's a limit to that, but still there were far stronger than today's people.

[magicbud3344]

why in the hell would you wear or make chain mail? so you can put it on and go fight the bully after school with your warlord sword?

[davidpsy]

actualy.... YES! ***** you got it right i made some chain mail gloves made of iron rings these are very powerfull if i hit someone with these they couldent hit back lol

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Flamingblaze
Armor became pointless the minute the longbow was invented, by cranking a wheel they could make HUGE tension and thus were able to split apart knights in heavy armor like a farmer using a scythe on wheat.

ha ha ha i can make chain mail you can not stick a pencile through realy maby ill take picture but it takes a very long time =\

[magicbud3344]

rofl, ok david me and you playground 4 oclock you bring your armor and sword, i bring some guns a baggy pants, and i'll put a cap in y0 ass bizoch chain mail is no match for bullets XD i don't even have a gun unless you count a paintball gun as one XD

[davidpsy]

lol that might work if i couldent kick as high as i can right now.... and if i dident have my sword or my short 1 ft sword

[magicbud3344]

you gonna block ma bullets with your Royal Knight boots?

[davidpsy]

no im gonna use my psychic powers and blast you... (jk) *****

[magicbud3344]

XD anyways,
before you bring Chainmail to graal 2k2 someone Bring Thief things, thiefs only armor so fat is like leather boots, there are no hoods or cloaks or anything :*(

[aylad]

Originally posted by konidias
What Konidias said

The types of armor and weapons depended a whole lot on the period, of course...

In the time period I'm more familiar with, archers had pretty much replaced javelineers in many areas. The archers were lightly armored, with light leather jerkins, to allow them a) agility for better accuracy, and b) the freedom to run quickly. Wasn't like you see in the movies, where an archer shoots until the enemy closes to melee range, and then he whips out a sword and fights melee. Archers were dedicated units used primarily to thin out the enemy army before it clashed with your own guys.

Armor, of course, was expensive if it was made out of metal. Most of the footmen would have been levys, just local farmers and such drafted into the local nobleman's army. They would have worn leather armor, perhaps heavier than the archers' leather and probably reinforced with metal at just a few key areas like shoulders. Mail would have been worn by men-at-arms, the full-time soldiers. Knights, of course, had to can themselves up in full plate. They were more or less invincible (before the longbow) except bashing them around with axes and maces could knock them out of their senses. The enemy's goal was usually not to kill the knights, but to capture them for ransom. Knights were of royal blood and their allies would pay lots and lots of money to get them back.

I'm not arguing with Konidias, I'm just comparing his knowledge to a different time period. Probably the warfare he was talking about was a bit older than this style here.

History 101?

That's where we rp'ers get so many of our ideas!

[konidias]

Yeah, I'm mainly talking about a period around 950 - 1100AD

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by konidias
Actually, bows and arrows weren't used that often in battle. More for hunting, the same with slings.

Neither were swords for that matter. I believe spears and axes were used most often.. although I could be wrong. Usually the warrior would have helmet, chainmail, a big circular shield that covered most of their body, and a spear. Perhaps even a guy to shield them while they attacked.

Battle of Crecy in 1357. British soldiers slaughtered the French knights with their longbows and lost only about 100 men. That's why I think that in Dustari, bows may play a major role dpending on their attack values.

As for the spears and such, they mainly used pikes, which would cut horses feet and dismount the knights.

[zell12]

There is chain mail and plate mail on Graal2002 now... But keep going with the stories, im going to pass history class this year

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by zell12
There is chain mail and plate mail on Graal2002 now... But keep going with the stories, im going to pass history class this year

***** my school never does any thing on knights olny the damn mayas and stuff its so annoying my teacher ruined the mayas for me she made us so all this stupid work on it and now i hate learnin about the damn mayas.

[freddyfox]

Chainmail = poop when faced with a longbow.

Originally posted by davidpsy

***** my school never does any thing on knights olny the damn mayas and stuff its so annoying my teacher ruined the mayas for me she made us so all this stupid work on it and now i hate learnin about the damn mayas.

Mayans actually have a very interesting culture and history. Do some of your own study work on them and write something up to impress your teacher.

[cshank4]

Woot bows come out today so Ill test our theory of Bows Percing Chain Mail

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by davidpsy

***** my school never does any thing on knights olny the damn mayas and stuff its so annoying my teacher ruined the mayas for me she made us so all this stupid work on it and now i hate learnin about the damn mayas.

Take advanced history in high school. It's so easy and so much fun, I learned a lot

[Aestus]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_


Battle of Crecy in 1357. British soldiers slaughtered the French knights with their longbows and lost only about 100 men. That's why I think that in Dustari, bows may play a major role dpending on their attack values.

As for the spears and such, they mainly used pikes, which would cut horses feet and dismount the knights.

If you've really researched the Battle of Crecy (which took place in 1346, not 1357) you should know the great success of Edward's longbowmen was due chiefly to the great rapidity of their firing --- a rapidity that could not never reproduced in 2k2. Any bowman would be lucky to fire three arrows (without aiming) before any knight could cross the screen to attack them, a far cry from the twenty to thirty arrows per minute that any competent bowman could loose at Crecy. Unless the bows have been rescripted since their initial preview release to include faster firing and dramatically increased damage, I sincerely doubt they will be of any real use in battle.

Once again, just because it worked in reality, does not mean it will In Graal. In fact, it almost always ensures it will not.

And on a side note, caltrops were typically the preferred weapon for stopping horses in the 100 Year's War, not javelins. In fact, I've rarely javelins even mentioned in any of the references I've used, though that is more likely to be the fault of my own poor research, rather than your own.

[warp2ukew]

Originally posted by -Axel-


PERIODS.ARE.NICE.

Stupid ***** if you could read you would know he is using periods.

PERIOD THE END

lol

[aylad]

Originally posted by Aestus
And on a side note, caltrops were typically the preferred weapon for stopping horses in the 100 Year's War, not javelins. In fact, I've rarely javelins even mentioned in any of the references I've used, though that is more likely to be the fault of my own poor research, rather than your own.

Hmm...... again, it probably depends on the time you're talking about.... caltrops are nasty though. Little spiky things that cripple horses (shudder).

Caltrops were a beautifully engineered piece of weaponry. Today, the CIA still uses the same design that was used over six hundred years ago.

I don't care, still nasty. Genius, maybe, but some people say ****** was a genius. He was indisputably nasty anyway.

Ok, it won't let me type his name. The WWII evil person.

[Aestus]

Originally posted by aylad


Hmm...... again, it probably depends on the time you're talking about.... caltrops are nasty though. Little spiky things that cripple horses (shudder).

Caltrops were a beautifully engineered piece of weaponry. Today, the CIA still uses the same design that was used over six hundred years ago.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by davidpsy
lol that might work if i couldent kick as high as i can right now....

So you're claiming to be a martial artist now?