Frolic owners, where are you?

[Graal2001_FAQ]

Originally posted by Stefan
When I checked out the playerworlds today for updating the playerworld pages on graal2001.com, I came to Frolic and it never loaded, because the starting level didntt exist anymore. I have checked the levels folder and saw that the old levels have been deleted and new levels have been uploaded.
The problem is that the starting level was removed too,
also many houses.
Will you update the levels soon? The world that is online
now doesn't look good, I have taken the server down till
there is something to do on it.

Why are playerworlds often completely remade after they get online? I am testing playerworlds and like them, upload them, and one week later they are completly different, and often worse than before. CD Agua was such a nice world, with very good scripts and a story. Thats why I have uploaded it immediatelly. but then 1 day later all levels were deleted and different

Chances are, the team will make a rule to prevent this. I've noticed it a lot also.

[CowgirlBebop]

Originally posted by Graal2001_FAQ
Chances are, the team will make a rule to prevent this. I've noticed it a lot also.

this thread is old, why did you bring it back?

[Graal2001_FAQ]

Originally posted by CowgirlBebop

this thread is old, why did you bring it back?

There's not a rule that says I can't. Why get on my back because of it?

[CowgirlBebop]

Originally posted by Graal2001_FAQ
There's not a rule that says I can't. Why get on my back because of it?

I was just asking

[Graal2001_FAQ]

Originally posted by CowgirlBebop

I was just asking

You assisted in bringing it back.

[MysticalDragonP2P]

Im a staff on Frolic im thier 6 hours a day.No one plays on frolic so Cybnext is trying to change it so it attracts more players he dont no what else to do.

[Jinx]

Originally posted by Neonight



CDA was hacked many times, and cannot be restored.
Some rule to the effect of: "No re-creations of servers may be accepted."

Actually that rule is changing. Torankusu is writing up new and updated rules for Playerworld Submission and Inspections. Re-makes of servers WILL be allowed, but only a certain percentage of levels can be from the origanal server, the rest have to be new levels.

We haven't decided on a good percentage yet.

-Jinx

[draygin]

Originally posted by MysticalDragonP2P
Im a staff on Frolic im thier 6 hours a day.No one plays on frolic so Cybnext is trying to change it so it attracts more players he dont no what else to do.

Make something to do maybe. Some quests would be nice etc... I played there for a while. But when there is only one island with no quests and just one small island it gets old fast.

[Jinx]

Originally posted by MysticalDragonP2P
Im a staff on Frolic im thier 6 hours a day.No one plays on frolic so Cybnext is trying to change it so it attracts more players he dont no what else to do.

Lately I've tried to log on Frolic, but get stuck on the loading screen x.x

-Jinx

[iniquitus]

Originally posted by Jinx


Actually that rule is changing. Torankusu is writing up new and updated rules for Playerworld Submission and Inspections. Re-makes of servers WILL be allowed, but only a certain percentage of levels can be from the origanal server, the rest have to be new levels.

We haven't decided on a good percentage yet.

-Jinx

Why was this not discussed with me? I don't belive you or Toran have the ability to change the policy, especialy since doing that would be in Toran's favor to bring back Elven Lands. It will not happen as long as I am arround. There is a VERY good reason that rule was made, and I don't intend for it to be removed.

Urizen

[Jinx]

Originally posted by iniquitus


Why was this not discussed with me? I don't belive you or Toran have the ability to change the policy, especialy since doing that would be in Toran's favor to bring back Elven Lands. It will not happen as long as I am arround. There is a VERY good reason that rule was made, and I don't intend for it to be removed.

Urizen

It may not have been discussed with you, but it was discussed with Nemesis.

There was a VERY good reason for the rule? Why? Lots of good servers were shutdown for reasons they couldn't control. I think that lots of people would like CDA or EL back up. Delteria and Val were put back up.

-Jinx

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by iniquitus


Why was this not discussed with me? I don't belive you or Toran have the ability to change the policy, especialy since doing that would be in Toran's favor to bring back Elven Lands. It will not happen as long as I am arround. There is a VERY good reason that rule was made, and I don't intend for it to be removed.

Urizen

Nemesis granted the authroity to do this.

[Graal2001_FAQ]

Originally posted by iniquitus


Why was this not discussed with me? I don't belive you or Toran have the ability to change the policy, especialy since doing that would be in Toran's favor to bring back Elven Lands. It will not happen as long as I am arround. There is a VERY good reason that rule was made, and I don't intend for it to be removed.

Urizen

Elven Lands has permission to resubmit and be reviewed without bias either way. Stefan's permission, of course.

[iniquitus]

Great, now eveyone who wants to bring back some crappy server will be like "YOU LET ELVEN LANDS BACK!? WHY NOT _______?!! OMG LIK!? PWA R C0RRUPT!!!"

I'm really getting sick of seeing doubble standards...

Urizen

[Dustey4Ever]

Originally posted by iniquitus
I'm really getting sick of seeing doubble standards...

[Graal2001_FAQ]

Originally posted by iniquitus
Great, now eveyone who wants to bring back some crappy server will be like "YOU LET ELVEN LANDS BACK!? WHY NOT _______?!! OMG LIK!? PWA R C0RRUPT!!!"

I'm really getting sick of seeing doubble standards...

Urizen

If you're sick of it, have Valikorlia and Delteria and Mithica removed.

[iniquitus]

Those went up before the rule was made, thus grandfathered. (To my knowledge.)

Mithica is going down, by the Manager's request.

Anytime a playerworld changes management, or someone else takes over, who was not an origional creator, it turns out bad, mainly because it's not their creation, that they worked and slaved over to make perfect (in their eyes anyway.) Look at what happened to Rudora when Fox left? Val hasn't really had any progress since it went back up... Thats the major problem I have.

Also, I have a problem with ANY PWA being staff on a PW, lower staff is questionable, but a PWA, managing a PW of their own just seems to be a bit of conflict of interests. Then again, noone listens to me so I should probably just shut up.

Urizen

[Graal2001_FAQ]

Originally posted by iniquitus
Those went up before the rule was made, thus grandfathered. (To my knowledge.)

Mithica is going down, by the Manager's request.

Anytime a playerworld changes management, or someone else takes over, who was not an origional creator, it turns out bad, mainly because it's not their creation, that they worked and slaved over to make perfect (in their eyes anyway.) Look at what happened to Rudora when Fox left? Val hasn't really had any progress since it went back up... Thats the major problem I have.

Also, I have a problem with ANY PWA being staff on a PW, lower staff is questionable, but a PWA, managing a PW of their own just seems to be a bit of conflict of interests. Then again, noone listens to me so I should probably just shut up.

Urizen

Now, it's pretty sad when you cannot trust your supposed co-worker to not have any bias when reviewing ANY playerworld. Contrary to your implied beliefs, I do not have 1498194 OLD ELVEN LANDS levels that I redid. I have about 251 new Overworld levels (I plan to add more later) and
am working on four quests.
Regardless of the "rules," I have gotten Stefan's permission for this project and plan on obeying the rules.

[Jinx]

Originally posted by iniquitus
Also, I have a problem with ANY PWA being staff on a PW,

Ehm. I'm confused by this.

No, I know what it means. I know what your saying.

What I don't get is why both YOU and NEMESIS can work on Pandora, yet you have a problem with Torankusu re-making a server.

-Jinx

[Cybnext]

Originally posted by Jinx


Lately I've tried to log on Frolic, but get stuck on the loading screen x.x

-Jinx

Thats because one of my staff deleted the two start levels and I haven't been back on to upload them again.

[Frolic_RC2]

Personally I think no PW guy should work on a PW.

If they are truly making a good PW, they wouldn't have time to do the PW reviewing and such.

I know if I was offered a position, I would decline, because Murasamune is far more important for me to complete. That reason alone should keep everyone whos working on a PW off the PWA.

And the second reason being no offline PW should have PWA working on it because no matter what you say, everyone is human, and people WILL be biased.

Just my thoughts.

[Jinx]

Originally posted by Frolic_RC2
Personally I think no PW guy should work on a PW.

If they are truly making a good PW, they wouldn't have time to do the PW reviewing and such.

I know if I was offered a position, I would decline, because Murasamune is far more important for me to complete. That reason alone should keep everyone whos working on a PW off the PWA.

And the second reason being no offline PW should have PWA working on it because no matter what you say, everyone is human, and people WILL be biased.

Just my thoughts.

If a PWA works on a PW, he wont be the one to inspect it.

If a PWA is making a PW, he wont be the one to review it.

-Jinx

[Graal2001_FAQ]

Originally posted by Jinx


If a PWA works on a PW, he wont be the one to inspect it.

If a PWA is making a PW, he wont be the one to review it.

-Jinx

That's just as simple and complex as it has to be in one.

--Torankusu

[Frolic_RC2]

Originally posted by Jinx


If a PWA works on a PW, he wont be the one to inspect it.

If a PWA is making a PW, he wont be the one to review it.

-Jinx

Thats beside the point. If you are doing a review, you must inspect a PW well, and that takes time. If you are working on a PW, most of the time you spend on a computer goes into your PW (at least in my case). Without that how do you plan on making a good PW? Take 1-3 hours reviewing a PW (forgive me if thats off) could have been spent on your PW.

I don't know, I just have a different way of thinking in terms of time usage.

[Jinx]

Originally posted by Frolic_RC2

... Take 1-3 hours reviewing a PW (forgive me if thats off) could have been spent on your PW.

I don't use an hour for my reviews. I haven't quite yet. Most playerworlds submitted dont require a lot of time. If a PW is submitted that is good, then it might start taking up that much amount of time, as you want to look at it multiple times.

I'm reviewing one right now that looks like it might have a chance, I've looked over it quite a few times, and have spent probibly an hour and a half total (not all at one time, I've had a somewhat-busy week)

-Jinx

[Warcaptain]

Originally posted by Jinx


Actually that rule is changing. Torankusu is writing up new and updated rules for Playerworld Submission and Inspections. Re-makes of servers WILL be allowed, but only a certain percentage of levels can be from the origanal server, the rest have to be new levels.

We haven't decided on a good percentage yet.

-Jinx

oh that works great for him doesnt it.... he gets his pw up the way he wants it because he is a pw inspector and can change rules for himself.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Warcaptain



oh that works great for him doesnt it.... he gets his pw up the way he wants it because he is a pw inspector and can change rules for himself.

Haha. Lack of intelligence strikes again.

Yeah, sure. I am going to be the ONLY ONE reviewing and inspecting it, also changing the rules!@!@/

Get a grip. Me and Jinx talked the new guidelines over, and now we're going to talk to Nemesis about a few things. It's not just me changing the rules.

[Warcaptain]

Originally posted by Jinx


Ehm. I'm confused by this.

No, I know what it means. I know what your saying.

What I don't get is why both YOU and NEMESIS can work on Pandora, yet you have a problem with Torankusu re-making a server.

-Jinx

there shouldnt be a problem with working on a pw.... but when it comes to having to get a pw up.. thats where alot of corruption goes on..... because see now torankusu is writing rules to fit his pw

and in all honest, i cant count the # of times nemesis has pissed me off by making me remove things i liked that were "interrupting game play"

but we've already seen corruption on torankusu's part, and his pw isnt even turned in....

REMAKING is the problem... the pw was TAKEN DOWN FOR A REASON.... thats like saying
"ok ok... so N@zism didnt work once.. lets remake it and try again!"

[Warcaptain]

Originally posted by Torankusu
Haha. Lack of intelligence strikes again.

Yeah, sure. I am going to be the ONLY ONE reviewing and inspecting it, also changing the rules!@!@/

Get a grip. Me and Jinx talked the new guidelines over, and now we're going to talk to Nemesis about a few things. It's not just me changing the rules.

yes but its the fact you are CHANGING it for yourself.

if you werent remaking a pw, this wouldnt be happening, this rule changing wouldnt be up for arguement.

[iniquitus]

Originally posted by Jinx


Ehm. I'm confused by this.

No, I know what it means. I know what your saying.

What I don't get is why both YOU and NEMESIS can work on Pandora, yet you have a problem with Torankusu re-making a server.

-Jinx

I told Warcaptain that I probably wouldn't be working on Pandor/Enigma a day or two after I got my PWA position, because of conflict of interests. You can ask him to verify that aswell. I haven't done any work on Enigma/Pandora since I have recived my PWA job, I have not worn my tag (if you saw me with it on it's because I was wondering if it still worked.) As for Nemesis, he's the one who should answer that, not me. I've made sacrifices too, I gave up work on a PW that I alredy had a month or so away from submiting to be reviewed. I stopped working on the playerworlds I was working on, even though I enjoyed all of it.

I don't care if someone else reviews his PW, staff is staff, we have to work with each other every day, your co-worker is not about to disgrace you by failing you playerworld... in fact, give it time, I bet Elven lands wont even need to go through an official review process, look at Hawk and Maloria? Have we learned NOTHING? As for Stefan, I think if he wants to have a PWA team that can actualy do their job then he should tell people that ask him "Talk to PWA." Now we will have managers, and players who will just say "I don't give a rats but what you say, I only listen to Stefan or Unixmad!" I foresee if things continue like this PWA will fail and become legend or myth instead of reality.

Personaly, I think you have a choice, PWA, or your playerworld. I'm not saying you have to make it, since you've obviously gone above me on this, but any respect I had for you will be gone if you get Elven Lands online.

Urizen :grrr:

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Warcaptain



there shouldnt be a problem with working on a pw.... but when it comes to having to get a pw up.. thats where alot of corruption goes on..... because see now torankusu is writing rules to fit his pw

and in all honest, i cant count the # of times nemesis has pissed me off by making me remove things i liked that were "interrupting game play"

but we've already seen corruption on torankusu's part, and his pw isnt even turned in....

REMAKING is the problem... the pw was TAKEN DOWN FOR A REASON.... thats like saying
"ok ok... so ****sm didnt work once.. lets remake it and try again!"

Oh, yeah, okay. What is it you don't understand?

Not only am I NOT THE ONLY ONE MAKING THESE RULES, I have had permission to bring back Elven Lands for well over a week.
I am NOT molding the rules to fit my Playerworld, most of the rules were not created with my Playerworld in mind.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Warcaptain



yes but its the fact you are CHANGING it for yourself.

if you werent remaking a pw, this wouldnt be happening, this rule changing wouldnt be up for arguement.

There was no remake rule. I am not changing a thing. And I am not changing ANYTHING for my self. I do not have anywhere near 50% of the old levels, which is the limit that we are looking for.

Get over yourself and work on your panda thing.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by iniquitus
Personaly, I think you have a choice, PWA, or your playerworld. I'm not saying you have to make it, since you've obviously gone above me on this, but any respect I had for you will be gone if you get Elven Lands online.

Urizen :grrr:

Your respect means nothing to me, considering you've lost the little bit you've had from me over the past few days.

[Warcaptain]

Originally posted by Torankusu
There was no remake rule. I am not changing a thing. And I am not changing ANYTHING for my self. I do not have anywhere near 50% of the old levels, which is the limit that we are looking for.

Get over yourself and work on your panda thing.

if you get Elven Lands online, then SOMETHING was changed.


because i saw nemesis post VERY SPECIFICLY that remakes ARE NOT ALLOWED.

and Elven Lands, wheather it has all new levels or not, IS A REMAKE.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Warcaptain


if you get Elven Lands online, then SOMETHING was changed.


because i saw nemesis post VERY SPECIFICLY that remakes ARE NOT ALLOWED.

and Elven Lands, wheather it has all new levels or not, IS A REMAKE.

OPEN YOUR EYELIDS AND PAY ATTENTION TO OTHER POSTS.

I DID NOT HAVE TO BEND ANY RULES TO HAVE PERMISSION TO MAKE THIS PLAYERWORLD. STEFAN DID GIVE ME PERMISSION.
Regardless of what nemesis posted, we all talked about this. Jinx, Nemesis and I. Not just me. So stop makin these absurd accusations.

[iniquitus]

Originally posted by Torankusu
OPEN YOUR EYELIDS AND PAY ATTENTION TO OTHER POSTS.

I DID NOT HAVE TO BEND ANY RULES TO HAVE PERMISSION TO MAKE THIS PLAYERWORLD. STEFAN DID GIVE ME PERMISSION.
Regardless of what nemesis posted, we all talked about this. Jinx, Nemesis and I. Not just me. So stop makin these absurd accusations.

My point is your looking at personal interests, and benifit, not the benifit of other playerworlds. Yet you remain in PWA. I'll stop trying now, PWA won't work if Stefan will let people go above it and directly to him and Unixmad anyway.
People will simply just go over our heads, and we'll stay in the state we are now, no progression or improvement, maybe decline...

BTW Torankusu, it would have been very easy to simply change the name like I sugested weeks ago and not be dealing with all of this.

Urizen

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by iniquitus


My point is your looking at personal interests, and benifit, not the benifit of other playerworlds. Yet you remain in PWA. I'll stop trying now, PWA won't work if Stefan will let people go above it and directly to him and Unixmad anyway.
People will simply just go over our heads, and we'll stay in the state we are now, no progression or improvement, maybe decline...

BTW Torankusu, it would have been very easy to simply change the name like I sugested weeks ago and not be dealing with all of this.

Urizen

Sorry, name changing won't work. I didn't go over anybody's heads any more than the owners of Valikorlia and Delteria did.

[Brad]

Will you all shut the **** up? It's a ****ing name for christs sake. He's making his OWN levels and OWN scripts, and OWN graphics. Why must you all ****ing complain? OHH WARPCAPTAIN, YOU OWN A **** SERVER, WHAT ARE YOU ****ING JEALOUS? OHH URIZEN, HI I BECAME PWA SO NOW I'M BETTER THAN EVERYONE. I DO MY JOB AND HAVE NO LIFE. **** OFF. I'M SICK OF COMING HERE TO READ A BUNCH OF IDIOTS POST ABOUT IDIOTIC THINGS WHICH SHOWS HOW BIG OF *****S THEY REALLY ARE. GO TO HELL.

[Torankusu]

brad's seen quite a few things, might I add.

[Warcaptain]

Originally posted by Torankusu
OPEN YOUR EYELIDS AND PAY ATTENTION TO OTHER POSTS.

I DID NOT HAVE TO BEND ANY RULES TO HAVE PERMISSION TO MAKE THIS PLAYERWORLD. STEFAN DID GIVE ME PERMISSION.
Regardless of what nemesis posted, we all talked about this. Jinx, Nemesis and I. Not just me. So stop makin these absurd accusations.

but NEMESIS said no first.

you went over his head to stefan, which is corrupt.