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[Kamaeru]

Wii was an amazing system and it has better hardcore games than PS3 / 360 which are failed platforms. You have emotional triggered reactions to the memories of when the wee-wee jokes weren't getting through to all your friends and they all bought the console that was supposedly "not mature". Motion controls were innovative. Many games used them in innovative ways, such as Metroid Prime 3. People have fun with it.

When I make the argument that Wii U has better games than PS4, that's because it's palpable. What even is there on PS4 that compares to the quality level of Bayonetta 2, Pikmin 3, Super Mario Maker, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Xenoblade X, etc?

They literally have no games on a similar tier of quality whatsoever, I'm sorry but Fallout isn't cutting it compared to BOTW and Skyrim is beyond sad.

Want to play the funnest and most innovative new online multiplayer shooter game complete with match lobby times taking around ~5 seconds and zero server lag on your Plebstation/Xbox tier platform? Too bad, they don't have Splatoon on those or even on Steam. If you want to play that you need Wii U or Switch. Honestly, I don't even see a comparison here, Wii U annihilates the other platforms when it comes to quality content that is refreshing to play that I actually enjoy. I get if it's not your personal preference, but Nintendo has consistently amazed me in recent years contrary to your claim that they make mediocre games. I agree, Mario Party is lame, and I never buy those games. They sell like 50 million copies each though and lots of people enjoy them, while Zelda and Metroid games often only sell around 2 million each.

The fact that Nintendo even bothers making the traditional games you're criticizing them for making is actually a blessing they give us, because financially they don't have a huge amount of incentive to do it. They do it for the people like me who actually greatly appreciate them for it, and I assume it's because Kyoto-based business philosophy is greatly concerned with the subjects of honor and integrity.

[Kamaeru]

BTW this thread is super hilarious and entertaining to me now. I really wanted to talk about the actual subject of this thread bahahaha

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

Wii was an amazing system and it has better hardcore games than PS3 / 360 which are failed platforms.

lmao

Metroid Prime 3. People have fun with it.

"as of March 2008, 1.31 million copies of the game were sold worldwide."
"by January 2008, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare had sold more than 7 million copies worldwide"

Wow it's almost like innovation is proven completely meaningless, and Nintendo's true success, like IW's, is in rehashing successful properties.

When I make the argument that Wii U has better games than PS4, that's because it's palpable. What even is there on PS4 that compares to the quality level of Bayonetta 2, Pikmin 3, Super Mario Maker, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Xenoblade X, etc?

Yeah I wonder why the Wii U was a flop then

They literally have no games on a similar tier of quality whatsoever, I'm sorry but Fallout isn't cutting it compared to BOTW and Skyrim is beyond sad.

No arguments there

Want to play the funnest and most innovative new online multiplayer shooter game complete with match lobby times taking around ~5 seconds and zero server lag on your Plebstation/Xbox tier platform? Too bad, they don't have Splatoon on those or even on Steam. If you want to play that you need Wii U or Switch.

Sorry I'll just play Overwatch, "innovation" is, again, a completely meaningless qualifier, and "fun" is subjective. I'm glad it took Nintendo three consoles to get passable online working though.

Honestly, I don't even see a comparison here, Wii U annihilates the other platforms when it comes to quality content that is refreshing to play that I actually enjoy. I get if it's not your personal preference, but Nintendo has consistently amazed me in recent years contrary to your claim that they make mediocre games. I agree, Mario Party is lame, and I never buy those games. They sell like 50 million copies each though and lots of people enjoy them, while Zelda and Metroid games often only sell around 2 million each.

See, that's fine, that's subjective. But if you're trying to pitch a Nintendo console as successful, especially the Wii, the only way to back it up is the party games. For every Metroid Prime 3 there was a Red Steel. Remember how "innovative!!" that was? It was terrible, and they had to update the controllers just to make them work like everyone expected them to. "Innovative" "hardcore" games hardly use innovation as more than a gimmick, where the game would be just as or more enjoyable without it. No More Heroes was my favorite new IP when it launched on the Wii, but I can safely say that it's handled better anywhere else. Metroid is, without a doubt, my favorite franchise, especially the Prime games. And 3 is great! But don't brag about it's innovation when I can name off rattle off a handful of other games without motion controls that sold so much more that it's hardly a footnote. Fun and successful are completely unrelated. My favorite game is ****ing E.G.G. and I don't even know if it pushed four digits worth of sales in America, but it's fun as ****. Having fun with something isn't a sign of success.

They do it for the people like me who actually greatly appreciate them for it, and I assume it's because Kyoto-based business philosophy is greatly concerned with the subjects of honor and integrity.

They it do it because they need to pay yakuza debts, probably

The best thing Nintendo has going for them is that they're the only ones who still believe in local co-op.