Stolen graphics

[maximus_asinus]

IMO the graphics never belonged to Graal2001. They were premium content, to be used by servers that were P2P before the whole thing was mandatory. Once P2P was required the whole thing went public domain so to say. I don't think that is what some of the artists intended when they created the graphics however, maybe they should have the right to dictate their use, or maybe they lost their rights to the images once they were uploaded.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

IMO the graphics never belonged to Graal2001. They were premium content, to be used by servers that were P2P before the whole thing was mandatory. Once P2P was required the whole thing went public domain so to say. I don't think that is what some of the artists intended when they created the graphics however, maybe they should have the right to dictate their use, or maybe they lost their rights to the images once they were uploaded.

ya thats kind of how i see it, but at the end of the day the server died and disappeared for like 10+ years, the whole point of BI was to use new assets.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Crono

the whole point of BI was to use new assets

I get what you're saying, but it's not accurate. You act like there were no shared assets. How about the entire map for starters. Also no one gave koni any sort of permission to reupload the server. koni's assets now belong to Graal2001 (they were also released publicly for use by anyone), not the other way around. It's been the case since around 2010, since you like bringing up the fact that copious amounts of time have gone by (which is irrelevant-- what's the difference between 5 days and 15 years? it's still stolen content).

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

I get what you're saying, but it's not accurate. You act like there were no shared assets. How about the entire map for starters. Also no one gave koni any sort of permission to reupload the server. koni's assets now belong to Graal2001 (they were also released publicly for use by anyone), not the other way around. It's been the case since around 2010, since you like bringing up the fact that copious amounts of time have gone by (which is irrelevant-- what's the difference between 5 days and 15 years? it's still stolen content).

how is it stolen, the owner of the server/creator of the game allowed other servers to use g2k1's assets

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by Crono

how is it stolen, the owner of the server/creator of the game allowed other servers to use g2k1's assets

No permission was given by the creator of the content or any manager of the server. Also 2k1 has been treated as a playerworld when it's convenient to fit the narrative, and then treated as a main server when it fits the narrative. Which is it? My argument is rock solid while the naysayers have an elastic argument.

[Kamaeru]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I don't think that is what some of the artists intended when they created the graphics however, maybe they should have the right to dictate their use, or maybe they lost their rights to the images once they were uploaded.

Exactly. I can't make anyone stop using their graphics but I am only asking them to stop using them out of respect for the history of Graal. But once again, apparently I'm a bad guy and the strawman version of my argument is to be taken seriously.

If you guys look closer I'm literally suggesting an easy way for Graal to adopt higher standards of quality and integrity (without help from the MIA global admin team). It's fun watching the same people whine about it who would benefit.

BTW I have been working on new hats since day 1, and have already made multiple hat shops. I will have at least 15 to begin releasing either weekly or monthly when the server goes hosted. These comprise of new hats (thank Xiaoguard), remade G2K1 original hats, and hats that were made for koni's project and never used. Here's a preview sample, nothing you see here is final: