Opinion: GUIs

[MysticalDragon]

The main thing that people complained about on delteria and its GUIs. Stefan also said he would like it changed, this is what we have so far.


Pic taken from iPhone!

Hot Bar and XQMenu is still in the works

[BlueMelon]

Like I said, black border around the GUI

[MysticalDragon]

yea gonna do that thanks.

[Crow]

Text effect on the tabs looks horrible. The background looks stretched and kinda clashes with the rest of the interface. Overall the thing needs more contrast and looks a bit weak in the shading department right now. Get rid of item names for clarity, go with well readable and recognizable icons instead.

Also, top right: is that a hitpoint and a mana bar? The colors are hideous.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Crow

Text effect on the tabs looks horrible. The background looks stretched and kinda clashes with the rest of the interface. Overall the thing needs more contrast and looks a bit weak in the shading department right now. Get rid of item names for clarity, go with well readable and recognizable icons instead.

Also, top right: is that a hitpoint and a mana bar? The colors are hideous.

Agree completely with this.

[MysticalDragon]

Originally Posted by Crow

Text effect on the tabs looks horrible. The background looks stretched and kinda clashes with the rest of the interface. Overall the thing needs more contrast and looks a bit weak in the shading department right now. Get rid of item names for clarity, go with well readable and recognizable icons instead.

Also, top right: is that a hitpoint and a mana bar? The colors are hideous.

The stetched background was because the GAT replace the background with my current image with out adjusting the size that has since been fixed. The HP, Mana or whatever bar I don't think looks to bad, its pretty basic unless your talking about the border thingy. For the name thing I was thinking about making the icons name slanted, maybe at some type of angle so they don't get off. But I like the idea to of removing the names completed, I did this on Era's PC new QMenu that I made recently. Ill forward this reply to Zerith the GFX Artist so he can get to work.

P.S the qmenu uses a custom font, some odd reason its not showing on idevices, will look into this.

[Crow]

Regarding the bars at the top right, I'm talking about the colors. They are terrible. And the bars themselves look rather bland. If those are in fact health and mana, they need to stick out more, since they are both important elements.

[Galdor]

omg... where did you find that background image? xD

[Rave_J]

Originally Posted by Galdor

omg... where did you find that background image? xD

it was the start up background from endora

but no offense looks like crap honestly

[xXziroXx]

Stretched item icons = not very good looking. Create them at a larger size to begin with instead.

[MysticalDragon]

Its actually a background I had made that I was going to use for a startup screen (but never did), Another project I fired you from. Eitherway, tell me what what looks like "crap" that hasn't already been mentioned so that we can modify it more.
Alright at Ziro, I'm going to have the GATs work on that.

[Galdor]

Originally Posted by Rave_J

but no offense looks like crap honestly

You're always so cool and edgy Rave

I take no offense, it was something I made a long time ago for a server I used to play on.

[Rave_J]

dont be mad that MD when u ask for graphics his togo file
Bravo Elvo,Endora and now Delt...

<MD makes graphics LOL the outline of the boarder sucks
bad coloring
the design doesnt even match the theme what so ever
looks like u took endora hp mp gui style and copy and paste it put it threw the washer then like it dry and u got ur menu plz plz let Zerith do his job it would be so much better
and guys this is the crap he thinks is great he approves on Delteria like i said thats the reason i quit
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...309901182.png/
u see the same like style around it up top just edit
same as ur bottom circle simple that was the img for drowning if i can remember right
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...309901182.png/

u wish u can fire me Endora was a dead project
u can say fire all u want idc honestly
i don't want to work for somebody that steals and takes credit for work which is not theres... im working on my own project something different and all custom graphics something that MD cant produce on his own
lol MD just said he made it Glador lol see what i mean

lol MD when HL hired u on Aeon to finish up the systems u cant even do that i guess the systems were never done on graal so u couldnt just edit a script and upload and claim its yours

plz take the time to learn how to dev instead of stealing thank you Jigga V2

taking credit for stuff he cant do is great

sorry the background doesnt look like crap Glador the gui does lol
ur part is good

[BlueMelon]

Rave you're just so offtopic...

[MattKan]

I don't like it.

All the GUI stuff is pillow shaded and just looks bad. The colors clash. The text looks bad.

Only thing I kinda like is the background image.

[MysticalDragon]

Originally Posted by Rave_J

dont be mad that MD when u ask for graphics his togo file
Bravo Elvo,Endora and now Delt...

<MD makes graphics LOL the outline of the boarder sucks
bad coloring
the design doesnt even match the theme what so ever
looks like u took endora hp mp gui style and copy and paste it put it threw the washer then like it dry and u got ur menu plz plz let Zerith do his job it would be so much better
and guys this is the crap he thinks is great he approves on Delteria like i said thats the reason i quit
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...309901182.png/
u see the same like style around it up top just edit
same as ur bottom circle simple that was the img for drowning if i can remember right
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...309901182.png/

u wish u can fire me Endora was a dead project
u can say fire all u want idc honestly
i don't want to work for somebody that steals and takes credit for work which is not theres... im working on my own project something different and all custom graphics something that MD cant produce on his own
lol MD just said he made it Glador lol see what i mean

lol MD when HL hired u on Aeon to finish up the systems u cant even do that i guess the systems were never done on graal so u couldnt just edit a script and upload and claim its yours

plz take the time to learn how to dev instead of stealing thank you Jigga V2

taking credit for stuff he cant do is great

sorry the background doesnt look like crap Glador the gui does lol
ur part is good

yea you are, and Zerith made the GUI borders they actually look different (Are you accusing him of stealing)? And I said a had the background made I never said I made it? Also the GAT probably stole it from Galdor its like 5 years old? That does happen. I didn't make any of the GFXs here, but Ill accommodate all suggestions.
P.S
RaveJ learn how to type bro, or is that how you talk in real life.

[Draenin]

You're entering a world of pain if you're going to make every menu out of text and images. I would strongly recommend using the GUI Editor instead if that's possible for iPhone servers, and just make a sexy skin for the window frames. Since the iPhone essentially just uses one resolution, you could even make fullscreen menus which are transparent so players can still see what's going on and close it in a hurry if they need to.

As for the HUD itself, if that's how it is now... It's a bit cluttered. I would suggest removing as much as you can from the screen as possible so players can even see what's going on around them. To do so, you could scale down the icons, remove hotkey slots, (Seriously, ten? Texting on an iPhone is bad enough.) or take out any of the pointless space-eating frame decorations. Any of those solutions would work better.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

Zerith [...] (Are you accusing him of stealing)

To be fair, he's done it before. I don't know about now, but he's very often in the past presented simple recolors of Sandz's work. I don't want to assume that he hasn't gotten passed that, he's a friend of mine, but it's not that farfetched of a claim.

RaveJ learn how to type bro, or is that how you talk in real life.

Pot, kettle; duck-rider.

[MysticalDragon]

Originally Posted by kia345

To be fair, he's done it before. I don't know about now, but he's very often in the past presented simple recolors of Sandz's work. I don't want to assume that he hasn't gotten passed that, he's a friend of mine, but it's not that farfetched of a claim.



Pot, kettle; duck-rider.

Uhm not sure what time frame your in but delteria doesn't consist of 90% of sandz anymore, there is only about 10% of sandz work now compared to all the effort everyone else put in. Zerith easily tripled sandz GFX work on delteria.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by MysticalDragon

Uhm not sure what time frame your in but delteria doesn't consist of 90% of sandz anymore, there is only about 10% of sandz work now compared to all the effort everyone else put in. Zerith easily tripled sandz GFX work on delteria.

Alright, but that really has nothing at all to do with what I said.

And for some reason I doubt the accuracy of those percentages, but I'll let that slide.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by kia345

Alright, but that really has nothing at all to do with what I said.

And for some reason I doubt the accuracy of those percentages, but I'll let that slide.

You have complete reason to.
I'd say that Sandz still has done the most work, without him, they'd have no idea of theme to run by, without Sandz, Zerith wouldn't even have a style to make.

[Zerith]

Originally Posted by kia345

To be fair, he's done it before. I don't know about now, but he's very often in the past presented simple recolors of Sandz's work. I don't want to assume that he hasn't gotten passed that, he's a friend of mine, but it's not that farfetched of a claim.

Pot, kettle; duck-rider.

...Hmm...I'm not sure how often you claim I've done this. I'd love an example brought up and I promise to be honest on whether it was me who recolored and claimed it as my own. As far as I know, Sandz was the one who mainly recolored his own creations. The farthest that I have gone to "stealing" his work would be creating all the sprites after his initial pieces.

The fact is, I keep in contact with him via Facebook, and I've even shown him all the work that I have done working off of his pieces. Although he has personally told me he loved the work I started off on my own rather than those that finished off of his unfinished ones.

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

You have complete reason to.
I'd say that Sandz still has done the most work, without him, they'd have no idea of theme to run by, without Sandz, Zerith wouldn't even have a style to make.

Sandz started on 15 baddies, 40 NPC character styles, 6 tilesets, and 9 mounts. Those pieces that are actually FULLY completed by him are 4 baddies, 6 NPC's, 4 tilesets, and 3 mounts (chicken, buggalo, and horse). I've made about 40 baddies, plus the 11 baddies that he left unfinished (this means making all the view sprites and movement sprites for all) including the fact that I've gani'd them as well. I've started on 20 different NPC's and am finishing the 34 NPC's that Sandz has only made front views of (like his baddies). I'm also editing and completing the last 2 tilesets that Sandz left unfinished along with 3 more unfinished tilesets I started on for more dungeons. I'm finishing up the rest of the 6 mounts Sandz started and have 7 more already outlined for myself.

Point is...It's been a while and I'm indebted to what Sandz has started. But many of you old PC players/Delterians needs to know that Delteria's weight has long left the shoulders of Sandz. In fact, having Sandz as a friend on Facebook, he's told me how proud he is of the contributions I have done thus far.

I must say, is it not about time I at least start getting some credit? (Although I am not saying or doing this for any sort of recognition)

Edit: I've missed extra things made by Sandz, but nonetheless I've also missed extra stuff I've made too. Just trying to paint a picture here. Sandz has played a very important role as well as the other core guys like Tiamat and Cloven. But to assume time has stopped and their work can never be tipped over is just...demotivating.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Zerith

I'd love an example brought up and I promise to be honest on whether it was me who recolored and claimed it as my own. As far as I know, Sandz was the one who mainly recolored his own creations. The farthest that I have gone to "stealing" his work would be creating all the sprites after his initial pieces.

I'm not referring to anything concerning your time working with Delteria, which is why I suggested that it's probably not the case. But years ago, you very frequently used Sandz's own graphics as your own on UC servers (mostly swords with color tweaks to match your red/white outfits), as well as recolors of graphics other users posted on the Delt forums, along with one of Angelu's. I also recall you using Alex's images as your own, with minimal editing.

But like I said, that was years ago. I'm not holding it against you or saying that you continue to do it now.

Regarding the rest of your ridiculous post, I wasn't denying you any credit. I've taken your tours of Delt and have given you compliments before. All I was doing was pointing out that MD's implication that you stealing is unheard of was incorrect. That and MD isn't a very good PR guy. If I had access to his silly ramblings, I'd have access to your stolen images. RIP Delt forums.

I feel bad, so Ill tell you now that I really like what I've seen from you since those days, and I totally didn't mean to discredit you now. Mad props to you.

[Zerith]

Originally Posted by kia345

I'm not referring to anything concerning your time working with Delteria, which is why I suggested that it's probably not the case. But years ago, you very frequently used Sandz's own graphics as your own on UC servers (mostly swords with color tweaks to match your red/white outfits), as well as recolors of graphics other users posted on the Delt forums, along with one of Angelu's. I also recall you using Alex's images as your own, with minimal editing.

But like I said, that was years ago. I'm not holding it against you or saying that you continue to do it now.

Regarding the rest of your ridiculous post, I wasn't denying you any credit. I've taken your tours of Delt and have given you compliments before. All I was doing was pointing out that MD's implication that you stealing is unheard of was incorrect. That and MD isn't a very good PR guy. If I had access to his silly ramblings, I'd have access to your stolen images. RIP Delt forums.

I feel bad, so Ill tell you now that I really like what I've seen from you since those days, and I totally didn't mean to discredit you now. Mad props to you.

You're right. Thanks PoJo for clearing that up. Of course, I was 14 years old at the time and the sad acts of stealing had no sense of accountability for me. Can't change that fact. But feel at ease my friends that 7 years later, I've acquired the ability to make my own work from scratch and will continue to do so.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Zerith

Sandz started on 15 baddies, 40 NPC character styles, 6 tilesets, and 9 mounts. Those pieces that are actually FULLY completed by him are 4 baddies, 6 NPC's, 4 tilesets, and 3 mounts (chicken, buggalo, and horse). I've made about 40 baddies, plus the 11 baddies that he left unfinished (this means making all the view sprites and movement sprites for all) including the fact that I've gani'd them as well. I've started on 20 different NPC's and am finishing the 34 NPC's that Sandz has only made front views of (like his baddies). I'm also editing and completing the last 2 tilesets that Sandz left unfinished along with 3 more unfinished tilesets I started on for more dungeons. I'm finishing up the rest of the 6 mounts Sandz started and have 7 more already outlined for myself.

Point is...It's been a while and I'm indebted to what Sandz has started. But many of you old PC players/Delterians needs to know that Delteria's weight has long left the shoulders of Sandz. In fact, having Sandz as a friend on Facebook, he's told me how proud he is of the contributions I have done thus far.

I must say, is it not about time I at least start getting some credit? (Although I am not saying or doing this for any sort of recognition)

Edit: I've missed extra things made by Sandz, but nonetheless I've also missed extra stuff I've made too. Just trying to paint a picture here. Sandz has played a very important role as well as the other core guys like Tiamat and Cloven. But to assume time has stopped and their work can never be tipped over is just...demotivating.

Zerith, I was only pointing out that Sandz did a lot of the graphical work (Also a portion of animation work), but not all of it, like you said, he played a very important role.

Also believe it or not, Zerith, you're also one of the important characters in its development as well, only difference is that you're apart of the current reasons instead of the old. I'd like to apologize to you for what I've said as to the probable offense my statement could bring to you, also to state that you are going to get that credit now.

The way I worded myself was completely wrong, my intentional statement was that Sandz did a lot, his actions and contributions were far more things then MD wished to realize other then his graphical contribution, while on this small tangent, that goes for Cloven as well.