Opinion: GUIs

[Zerith]

Originally Posted by kia345

To be fair, he's done it before. I don't know about now, but he's very often in the past presented simple recolors of Sandz's work. I don't want to assume that he hasn't gotten passed that, he's a friend of mine, but it's not that farfetched of a claim.

Pot, kettle; duck-rider.

...Hmm...I'm not sure how often you claim I've done this. I'd love an example brought up and I promise to be honest on whether it was me who recolored and claimed it as my own. As far as I know, Sandz was the one who mainly recolored his own creations. The farthest that I have gone to "stealing" his work would be creating all the sprites after his initial pieces.

The fact is, I keep in contact with him via Facebook, and I've even shown him all the work that I have done working off of his pieces. Although he has personally told me he loved the work I started off on my own rather than those that finished off of his unfinished ones.

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

You have complete reason to.
I'd say that Sandz still has done the most work, without him, they'd have no idea of theme to run by, without Sandz, Zerith wouldn't even have a style to make.

Sandz started on 15 baddies, 40 NPC character styles, 6 tilesets, and 9 mounts. Those pieces that are actually FULLY completed by him are 4 baddies, 6 NPC's, 4 tilesets, and 3 mounts (chicken, buggalo, and horse). I've made about 40 baddies, plus the 11 baddies that he left unfinished (this means making all the view sprites and movement sprites for all) including the fact that I've gani'd them as well. I've started on 20 different NPC's and am finishing the 34 NPC's that Sandz has only made front views of (like his baddies). I'm also editing and completing the last 2 tilesets that Sandz left unfinished along with 3 more unfinished tilesets I started on for more dungeons. I'm finishing up the rest of the 6 mounts Sandz started and have 7 more already outlined for myself.

Point is...It's been a while and I'm indebted to what Sandz has started. But many of you old PC players/Delterians needs to know that Delteria's weight has long left the shoulders of Sandz. In fact, having Sandz as a friend on Facebook, he's told me how proud he is of the contributions I have done thus far.

I must say, is it not about time I at least start getting some credit? (Although I am not saying or doing this for any sort of recognition)

Edit: I've missed extra things made by Sandz, but nonetheless I've also missed extra stuff I've made too. Just trying to paint a picture here. Sandz has played a very important role as well as the other core guys like Tiamat and Cloven. But to assume time has stopped and their work can never be tipped over is just...demotivating.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Zerith

I'd love an example brought up and I promise to be honest on whether it was me who recolored and claimed it as my own. As far as I know, Sandz was the one who mainly recolored his own creations. The farthest that I have gone to "stealing" his work would be creating all the sprites after his initial pieces.

I'm not referring to anything concerning your time working with Delteria, which is why I suggested that it's probably not the case. But years ago, you very frequently used Sandz's own graphics as your own on UC servers (mostly swords with color tweaks to match your red/white outfits), as well as recolors of graphics other users posted on the Delt forums, along with one of Angelu's. I also recall you using Alex's images as your own, with minimal editing.

But like I said, that was years ago. I'm not holding it against you or saying that you continue to do it now.

Regarding the rest of your ridiculous post, I wasn't denying you any credit. I've taken your tours of Delt and have given you compliments before. All I was doing was pointing out that MD's implication that you stealing is unheard of was incorrect. That and MD isn't a very good PR guy. If I had access to his silly ramblings, I'd have access to your stolen images. RIP Delt forums.

I feel bad, so Ill tell you now that I really like what I've seen from you since those days, and I totally didn't mean to discredit you now. Mad props to you.

[Zerith]

Originally Posted by kia345

I'm not referring to anything concerning your time working with Delteria, which is why I suggested that it's probably not the case. But years ago, you very frequently used Sandz's own graphics as your own on UC servers (mostly swords with color tweaks to match your red/white outfits), as well as recolors of graphics other users posted on the Delt forums, along with one of Angelu's. I also recall you using Alex's images as your own, with minimal editing.

But like I said, that was years ago. I'm not holding it against you or saying that you continue to do it now.

Regarding the rest of your ridiculous post, I wasn't denying you any credit. I've taken your tours of Delt and have given you compliments before. All I was doing was pointing out that MD's implication that you stealing is unheard of was incorrect. That and MD isn't a very good PR guy. If I had access to his silly ramblings, I'd have access to your stolen images. RIP Delt forums.

I feel bad, so Ill tell you now that I really like what I've seen from you since those days, and I totally didn't mean to discredit you now. Mad props to you.

You're right. Thanks PoJo for clearing that up. Of course, I was 14 years old at the time and the sad acts of stealing had no sense of accountability for me. Can't change that fact. But feel at ease my friends that 7 years later, I've acquired the ability to make my own work from scratch and will continue to do so.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Zerith

Sandz started on 15 baddies, 40 NPC character styles, 6 tilesets, and 9 mounts. Those pieces that are actually FULLY completed by him are 4 baddies, 6 NPC's, 4 tilesets, and 3 mounts (chicken, buggalo, and horse). I've made about 40 baddies, plus the 11 baddies that he left unfinished (this means making all the view sprites and movement sprites for all) including the fact that I've gani'd them as well. I've started on 20 different NPC's and am finishing the 34 NPC's that Sandz has only made front views of (like his baddies). I'm also editing and completing the last 2 tilesets that Sandz left unfinished along with 3 more unfinished tilesets I started on for more dungeons. I'm finishing up the rest of the 6 mounts Sandz started and have 7 more already outlined for myself.

Point is...It's been a while and I'm indebted to what Sandz has started. But many of you old PC players/Delterians needs to know that Delteria's weight has long left the shoulders of Sandz. In fact, having Sandz as a friend on Facebook, he's told me how proud he is of the contributions I have done thus far.

I must say, is it not about time I at least start getting some credit? (Although I am not saying or doing this for any sort of recognition)

Edit: I've missed extra things made by Sandz, but nonetheless I've also missed extra stuff I've made too. Just trying to paint a picture here. Sandz has played a very important role as well as the other core guys like Tiamat and Cloven. But to assume time has stopped and their work can never be tipped over is just...demotivating.

Zerith, I was only pointing out that Sandz did a lot of the graphical work (Also a portion of animation work), but not all of it, like you said, he played a very important role.

Also believe it or not, Zerith, you're also one of the important characters in its development as well, only difference is that you're apart of the current reasons instead of the old. I'd like to apologize to you for what I've said as to the probable offense my statement could bring to you, also to state that you are going to get that credit now.

The way I worded myself was completely wrong, my intentional statement was that Sandz did a lot, his actions and contributions were far more things then MD wished to realize other then his graphical contribution, while on this small tangent, that goes for Cloven as well.