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Old 12-28-2012, 11:45 PM
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I've scripted roughly 95% of the server from scratch, which also consists almost entirely of custom scripted systems, have been working on it non-stop for 5 and a half years (as has Racil), with over 13,000 hours online time. If that's not enough for you, I'm sorry.


I have never refused anybody the opportunity to develop who had provided significant good & useful examples of what they're capable of (providing a link to someone else's code threads saying that you understand how it works doesn't cut it for me), and didn't have a recent ban/corruption history. I'd like nothing more than to get back to working on Quests in order to further the storyline and to expand the world, but unfortunately there are fundamental problems (some ofwhich beyond our control) which render efforts futile.


I hope you understand that the quests are not necessarily aimed at those who have already established themself on Graal, nor are they in any way intended to keep players constantly occupied. Their primary function is to provide a sense of purpose and direction to legitimately new players.


You can usually tell roughly how new/old a trial is by their account name, guests use their PCID, whereas Graal###### accounts are incremented each time an account is created. I observe this happening with both older and fresh trial accounts.


I don't blame you for not playing, I wouldn't expect anybody to be playing with no hope of future updates and there already being hardly any players. But then why should we, the developers, continue voluntarily putting in so much effort, as we have done for a very long time as it is, when on top of having restrictions that conflict our aims (something we've already tried hard to get by with), we've been lied to and deceived for the last 14 months?

Do you think you'd still be motivated under the same circumstances?


I have never seen any documentation explaining that trials aren't allowed to play events on PlayerWorlds, only Gold servers (where observer mode is removed). Nor was it brought to staff's attention that they shouldn't be allowed in July 2007 when observer mode was implemented (I happened to be staff at the time).

As far as I know the exclusion of trials from events has always been an indirect consequence of observer mode, rather than a deliberate restriction.
This is the closest acknowledgement of the problem I'm aware of:
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...87#post1338487



That would be an even more watered-down experience than at present.



It's been 5 and a half years since the ability to purchase lifetime accounts was removed, Classic had already reached a very low point in playercount by 2009, having previously seen its average playercount be cut in half every 2 years since P2P was implemented.

Thus it was decided (and not just by myself) to try something new, to make the server more coherent, to give it a higher proportion of quality, so that it could eventually at least be capable of hooking new players. I have sympathy for those few who have paid money to play Classic, but given the choice, I'm sure most would feel the money was better spent if they were able to regularly play events and card games with trials.

Also keep in mind that PlayerWorld developers do not get a cut of such paid money, it's never been an intention of mine, but if it were the case I'm sure things would be much different across all of Graal.


This is actually how it happened, not a change of story. Initially I thought it was a suggestion, and so I made a counter-suggestion, then later I was told this is the format it will be. Bell can verify that.
Notice URL:
http://graalonline.com/playerworlds/stores/signup

And also from the page before that, where I got the url from the sentence the link was actually from.

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Without Gold membership, you can only play 5 hours per month. To know other advantages you have with Gold membership, go to this page. In order to play more, you have to subscribe to graalonline.
And yes I would still be motivated.. I offered to assist developing and you wouldn't even let me prove myself.

Also to whom ever neg repped me keep it comming im not going into red neg anytime soon idiots.. however I will be neg repping alot of people from each of my accounts in return

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Old 12-29-2012, 12:39 AM
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Notice URL:
http://graalonline.com/playerworlds/stores/signup

And also from the page before that, where I got the url from the sentence the link was actually from.
That page is for Zone, if I changed the url to say Kingdoms instead of PlayerWorlds it would still work:
http://graalonline.com/kingdoms/stores/signup

Graal Skills too (lol):

http://graalonline.com/skills/stores/signup

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And yes I would still be motivated..
It didn't seem like you were motivated to get much done to help Npulse get off the ground.
Looking back, I think it's fair to say the only server Managers that have been in a similar predicament within the modern era of Graal are Ziro and Crow, who both cited observer mode as a stumbling block to their efforts.

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I offered to assist developing and you wouldn't even let me prove myself.
I asked you multiple times to provide me some examples to show what you're capable of, which you not only failed to produce, but reacted in such a way that suggested it was your divine right to develop on the server.
Maybe this is an inconvenient truth, but I'm very strict with the manner in-which things are coded (very abstract & compartmentalized), so as to avoid similar problems/conflicts to what Classic experienced throughout the pre-wipe years.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:01 AM
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That page is for Zone, if I changed the url to say Kingdoms instead of PlayerWorlds it would still work:
http://graalonline.com/kingdoms/stores/signup

Graal Skills too (lol):

http://graalonline.com/skills/stores/signup


It didn't seem like you were motivated to get much done to help Npulse get off the ground.
Looking back, I think it's fair to say the only server Managers that have been in a similar predicament within the modern era of Graal are Ziro and Crow, who both cited observer mode as a stumbling block to their efforts.


I asked you multiple times to provide me some examples to show what you're capable of, which you not only failed to produce, but reacted in such a way that suggested it was your divine right to develop on the server.
Maybe this is an inconvenient truth, but I'm very strict with the manner in-which things are coded (very abstract & compartmentalized), so as to avoid similar problems/conflicts to what Classic experienced throughout the pre-wipe years.
It may be more aimed at Zone, but it doesn't specifically say it.. the average person knowing nothing of graal would assume it ment any server..

No I worked hard to help N-Pulse, they removed me because they didn't like me at the time. For what ever reason.

And you asked me that the first time I talked to you when I wasn't able to provide you any work and told you I would come up with examples. The next time we talked you said not to even bother.. the 3rd time we talked about it you said you wernt even interested in letting people work for you or some stupid reason.. after i had put alot of work into making examples to show you.. you treated me like **** just like you treat anyone else.. alot of people have told me how you treat them and use the word "douche" when reffering to you when i stood up for you anyways.. but i can see there right you may have put 5 years into helping Classic.. i have been helping multiple servers for over 8 years.. well more then your stupid 13,000 hours
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:47 AM
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No I worked hard to help N-Pulse, they removed me because they didn't like me at the time. For what ever reason.
That's not what you told me at the time.

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And you asked me that the first time I talked to you when I wasn't able to provide you any work and told you I would come up with examples.
You gave me a story about how your account name is 'scriptless' because you never have examples of previous code, then eventually showed me some of FP4's script threads with the argument "I understand how this stuff works", which anyone could do.

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The next time we talked you said not to even bother..
This is correct, I said this because of the way you reacted the first time, which in fairness, you later admitted was out of order and apologized.

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the 3rd time we talked about it you said you wernt even interested in letting people work for you or some stupid reason..
I have no idea what you're talking about now, feel free to elaborate.

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after i had put alot of work into making examples to show you.. you treated me like ****
You can ask Racil or WhiteDragon, I was looking specifically for someone who could lend a hand rescripting and creating new GC droppables, something which takes a little understanding but not a huge amount. If somebody would have shown examples proving they know what they're doing with their code, I'd have been quite keen to ask for their help on this.

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just like you treat anyone else.. alot of people have told me how you treat them and use the word "douche" when reffering to you when i stood up for you anyways..
I wouldn't be surprised, when Classic launched a lot of people seemed to think it would be an easy, quick, effortless staff position on a hyped server. Then they showed resent once they realised they need to familiarise themself with the events if they want to become a GC, familiarise themself with Quests if they want to become a GH, avoid massing insults to players if they want to become a GP, all reasonable examples that I wish I was joking about but am not.

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i have been helping multiple servers for over 8 years.. well more then your stupid 13,000 hours
I would like to see some evidence for it.
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