My Unholy Nation Experience

[Absolut_Crono]

Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono

That would be a much larger project than just me saying "ok, will do". Fixing the server completely would probably take longer than creating a whole new server from scratch, because there is little-to-no uniformity in a lot of the old systems. Not to say it isnt something we want to work on, just that it's not something that would happen quickly.

Where in that do you see me making an excuse Kia? I said it is something to work on, but it wont happen overnight. In fact, it will take a substantial amount of time. Most of UN's base scripts are either in GS1 or patched GS1 for functionality purposes. We would have to redo the entire server to make it efficient, otherwise it wouldnt be worth working on at all. It'll just break when V7 comes out.

No, that's not a typo. V7, as in the next upgrade after this one.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono

It'll just break when V7 comes out.

No, that's not a typo. V7, as in the next upgrade after this one.

You made two errors with that post. One, no client in itself has ever broken a lot of scripts -- GS2 in itself did however, but GS2 is far superior than it's successor anyways so who cares.

Second of all, v7 is not the next client no, as v6 isn't even out yet. We're currently in v5 and v5.3.


I'd also like to point out that PWA has done an extremely ****ty job with something they said after the release of GS2; that all Classic servers were to fully convert to GS2 within x amount of time or be taken off the list. It's been 5 years now, wtf.

[Absolut_Crono]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

You made two errors with that post. One, no client in itself has ever broken a lot of scripts -- GS2 in itself did however, but GS2 is far superior than it's successor anyways so who cares.

Second of all, v7 is not the next client no, as v6 isn't even out yet. We're currently in v5 and v5.3.


I'd also like to point out that PWA has done an extremely ****ty job with something they said after the release of GS2; that all Classic servers were to fully convert to GS2 within x amount of time or be taken off the list. It's been 5 years now, wtf.

Ok, first of all, V6 has already caused issues with the GUIs. You are wrong there. Second of all, my point was that every version update brings issues that need to be addressed. I wasnt stating V7 was next, but that the issues that get fixed for V6 will probably have to be altered again in V7 and V8 and so on, because servers implement GS2 differently for different things.

As far as the PWA enforcing GS2, I am pretty sure it mostly has to do with functionality. UN "functions" with GS2, it's just patched GS1 though. What I am saying is we would need to organize the server firstly, then rewrite it into complete GS2 instead of patching broken scripts, otherwise we wont get anywhere.

@Chocoboknight What wNPCs are you speaking of specifically? There arent any broken playerhouses I am aware of, only ones that were removed. Lastly, UN's development team ALWAYS strives to make UN better, the issue is that there isnt much organization in the teams. That stems from long before I was Manager though. If a Manager quits or gets removed, the server's focus tends to drastically change, with people who have different ideas about what is most important. We dont have Managers stay long enough to work on one main goal, with the exception of Streety, who was removed for broken promises or something similar to that.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono

That stems from long before I was Manager though. If a Manager quits or gets removed, the server's focus tends to drastically change, with people who have different ideas about what is most important.

So what your saying is, UN has no purpose, no theme, no function or background. It exists purely as a playroom for management and their cohorts, without any adherence to a tangible, or even predictable, future? It is dedicated to nothing, and instead serves as something for the administration to mold to their liking, only to toss everything aside when a bigger kid comes into the sandbox and takes over?

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by kia345

So what your saying is, UN has no purpose, no theme, no function or background. It exists purely as a playroom for management and their cohorts, without any adherence to a tangible, or even predictable, future? It is dedicated to nothing, and instead serves as something for the administration to mold to their liking, only to toss everything aside when a bigger kid comes into the sandbox and takes over?

What I've noticed from you in just about every thread is that you take one twisted idea and stick with it for the whole duration of your post with no sort of rationality whatsoever. It's pretty unhealthy thinking.

No, that is not what UN has been, or what he meant. (Or so I would assume) Every Manager has a different approach on how they want to improve the server, but it isn't easy to work off of what other managements left behind as it may be incomplete/a huge mess. UN doesn't have a theme; UN is a server where you're free to do whatever there is to offer. Well it's theme is Classic gameplay somewhat.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

No, that is not what UN has been, or what he meant.

It's exactly what he said he though. He points out that UN's short comings are caused by various exploits the previous managers brought about. Don't blame me for not beating around the bush, if you guys want anything done, you need to be blunt and recognize the problem: in this case, the problem is a string of inefficient, directionless management.

And you're confusing not being gentle for not being rational. If you honestly think I'm being irrational - or ever have been - then I'd say it's a safe bet that the better portion of your brain is probably dripping onto your shoulder right about now.

Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono

No? I am saying every Manager has different ideas from the previous management.

Yeah, that's what I said. New management comes in and then UN is a clean slate and they do what they want. The server is being treated as a sandbox for them to build up as they see fit. If you want to have the smallest sense of being professional, UN needs a direction. A direction that transcends management and acts as the basis for the server. Era has that. Zodiac has that. Even with alternating managers, you can still log on the server a year later and have a pretty rough idea on what to expect. On UN, you don't have the feeling after several weeks.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by kia345

It's exactly what he said he though. He points out that UN's short comings are caused by various exploits the previous managers brought about. Don't blame me for not beating around the bush, if you guys want anything done, you need to be blunt and recognize the problem: in this case, the problem is inefficient, directionless management.

Of course they are, but that is not easily fixable. Malinko did a ton of damage during his period that had to be cleaned up/corrected by following managements. As I have iterated before, ideas by past-management are hard to follow up on as some difficulty approaches. Streety wanted to finish pet-world and the achievement system as his main focuses before going on to other things. Pet world became a mess with different scripters, and the achievement system was finally released by GK a few months after Streety was removed. Backdraft wanted to focus on the noob course, new quests, shrinking the OW somewhat, but none of those really went past a thought except for the noob course which is STILL being developed to this day. GK focused on smaller things, but wanted to improve his achievement system and see CastleWars get done after he found me a scripter. I know Cron-Star wanted to see the development of CastleWars become finished too but I was fired by Luca/Khyber, as well as seeing other things finished. Development is headed by Luca, so any development complaints really should be headed at him, who Luca and one PWA thinks is doing a good job at.

I don't think you can expect content lineage from UN. As I, and probably others, have said, UN was created for the purpose to do a wide variety of things that weren't always uniform.

There was really only Cron-star or Luca to choose from for Manager when GK stepped down. You don't want to see Luca as Manager...

And you're confusing not being gentle for not being rational. If you honestly think I'm being irrational - or ever have been - then I'd say it's a safe bet that the better portion of your brain is probably dripping onto your shoulder right about now.

Really? Because all I saw you do is derive your own fixated point of view and rant about it for a whole paragraph, when all he said was that Managers have different approaches to how the server should go due to said complications I have said above.

Yeah, that's what I said. New management comes in and then UN is a clean slate and they do what they want. The server is being treated as a sandbox for them to build up as they see fit. If you want to have the smallest sense of being professional, UN needs a direction. A direction that transcends management and acts as the basis for the server. Era has that. Zodiac has that. Even with alternating managers, you can still log on the server a year later and have a pretty rough idea on what to expect. On UN, you don't have the feeling after several weeks.

I've been expecting Era to reset for nearly 3 years, what is your point.

[Absolut_Crono]

Originally Posted by kia345

So what your saying is, UN has no purpose, no theme, no function or background. It exists purely as a playroom for management and their cohorts, without any adherence to a tangible, or even predictable, future? It is dedicated to nothing, and instead serves as something for the administration to mold to their liking, only to toss everything aside when a bigger kid comes into the sandbox and takes over?

No? I am saying every Manager has different ideas from the previous management. I am pretty sure that is the same on every server though. The difference being we have had a lot of management changes in a short period of time. Keep in mind management went in the order Spryte (Malinko), Croweather, Sub, Streety, Backdraft, Gamerkid then me in a period of 2 years, having streety as around a year and a half of that time alone. There was not really enough time for stability in any other management team than Streety's after Malinko and Spryte were removed.

Also, I am not saying I agree with the way the server has worked in the past, merely that it has worked that way.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono

No? I am saying every Manager has different ideas from the previous management. I am pretty sure that is the same on every server though. The difference being we have had a lot of management changes in a short period of time. Keep in mind management went in the order Spryte (Malinko), Croweather, Sub, Streety, Backdraft, Gamerkid then me in a period of 2 years, having streety as around a year and a half of that time alone. There was not really enough time for stability in any other management team than Streety's after Malinko and Spryte were removed.

Also, I am not saying I agree with the way the server has worked in the past, merely that it has worked that way.

aka not man enough to fix UN.