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Old 08-24-2009, 08:26 PM
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Actually, yes. That's the basic business model for development platforms, turn-key operations, etc.


You didn't mention having people stop your projects, but you did mention pooling developers together to create some G2k1 revival. That would mean developers giving up their projects.

Look, this may come as news, but I honestly doubt that these old servers would be popular if revived. Nostalgia is best as nostalgia.

What I've been trying to say this entire time is that you need to take your concerns about content to playerworld staff. There's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater, demanding that Stefan make an amazing server to make up for (what you seem to think are) mediocre servers. Client updates are nice, but you don't play because you like the client updates. You play because you like the servers.
yea, i never mentioned a g2k1 revival either. stop trying to put words in my mouth - i chose those servers for a comparison in the example i used, mostly comparing the populations and life span of the servers, and because they were created by CJ. i don't think reviving old projects will work or has worked - i already tried it with doomsday and it crashed and burned just when it was almost ready to be released. i don't see why you would be so against stefan creating a new server, or why it couldn't be his "responsibility" if he wanted it do be. most of graal, developers and players alike, would be amazed and happy at the proposition of stefan creating a server, and people would have faith in it since it's the creator making content. it would be a huge deal instead of just another person trying to make another useless server
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Old 08-24-2009, 08:55 PM
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i don't see why you would be so against stefan creating a new server, or why it couldn't be his "responsibility" if he wanted it do be. most of graal, developers and players alike, would be amazed and happy at the proposition of stefan creating a server, and people would have faith in it since it's the creator making content. it would be a huge deal instead of just another person trying to make another useless server
Stefan isn't a computer. Surprising, I know, but just play along with me. If he's making a server, that means less time working on the client and the engine. So, you get yourself a server, but no client or engine updates. A few months down the road, you come to "Your opinion" forum to let everybody know how angry you are that Stefan is working on some server, instead of more important things like client and engine updates. So, he starts working on those, which means less time on the server. I hope you can see where I'm going with this...
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:28 AM
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Stefan isn't a computer. Surprising, I know, but just play along with me. If he's making a server, that means less time working on the client and the engine. So, you get yourself a server, but no client or engine updates. A few months down the road, you come to "Your opinion" forum to let everybody know how angry you are that Stefan is working on some server, instead of more important things like client and engine updates. So, he starts working on those, which means less time on the server. I hope you can see where I'm going with this...
i hope you see that players don't care about the client and engine updates, they want content updates
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:45 AM
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i hope you see that players don't care about the client and engine updates, they want content updates
and that the people upgrading are players...there's no way in hell Graal is getting its money from developers.
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:53 AM
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and that the people upgrading are players...there's no way in hell Graal is getting its money from developers.
exactly, i'm glad someone understands this who also develops (8
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and that the people upgrading are players...there's no way in hell Graal is getting its money from developers.
Well, ironically, we actually are paying them.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:07 AM
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Well, ironically, we actually are paying them.
There's no way Graal is getting the majority of its money from developers upgrading just to develop...most of its money has to be coming from players. Developers are really running short...something needs to be done to bring them back, and hopefully encourage new developers to join as well.

That is what this thread is about

I've been gathering some statistics on Era, and I've found that 1429 unique accounts have logged on in the last 7 days. 651 of those have more than 100 hours of playing time, and 505 of them were Graal# accounts. People are definitely paying to play.

If CJ isn't going to be developing anymore servers, and the task is indeed left to us, then why not give us easier ways to do so (such as not requiring us to upgrade just to work on UC servers)?
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:48 AM
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If CJ isn't going to be developing anymore servers, and the task is indeed left to us, then why not give us easier ways to do so (such as not requiring us to upgrade just to work on UC servers)?
Well, the way I see it is that prices didn't increase arbitrarily. If Stefan and Unixmad are just trying to make ends meet, they wouldn't hike up prices for no reason. I have faith that didn't do that. So, we have to assume that costs rose, and we have to assume that people upgrading their accounts to work on UC servers helps zero out the balance sheet (accounting terms, but you get the idea).

If people no longer have to upgrade their accounts, then that stream of revenue is going to have to come from somewhere else.. meaning basic account upgrade prices are going to increase, or servers are going to be more expensive to rent, or both.

For every yin, there is a yang. For ever dollar UC developers don't have to pay, regular players or server owners are going to have to pay an extra dollar.

Needless to say, there are 6 servers developers can work on, without having to upgrade... if they have Lifetime Classic, anyways. Valikorlia is always looking for LATs and GATs.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:12 AM
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i hope you see that players don't care about the client and engine updates, they want content updates
Uh, yeah. That's my point. So, go to your server and start demanding updates.
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