Developing should be free for servers that are staff-only

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

They don't give a **** about Graal anymore, god damnit!

Do you really think that "they" are needed for you to make your server?

By now, we get it. You can stop spamming this little nugget in every thread regarding GraalOnline.

[Pelikano]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

Do you really think that "they" are needed for you to make your server?

By now, we get it. You can stop spamming this little nugget in every thread regarding GraalOnline.

It seems that it's needed to be spammed into every thread regarding GraalOnline.

And people are crying about them being needed in their servers.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

And people are crying about them being needed in their servers.

No, some guy is saying that he doesn't want to pay for a server that will never reach the light of day.

"They" are not needed for me to go in to Valikorlia and script trade, shops, and battle systems. "They" are not needed for me to open up GraalEditor and make some levels. "They" are only needed when I want to be annoying and blame my own incompetence on "them".

This isn't a terrible idea, but having you as a spokesperson for any suggestion is.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

No, some guy is saying that he doesn't want to pay for a server that will never reach the light of day.

"They" are not needed for me to go in to Valikorlia and script trade, shops, and battle systems. "They" are not needed for me to open up GraalEditor and make some levels. "They" are only needed when I want to be annoying and blame my own incompetence on "them".

This isn't a terrible idea, but having you as a spokesperson for any suggestion is.

This is one of the better posts I've read for a while - people need to realize that they aren't completely incompetent without CJ holding their hand.

Use the tools you've been given, instead of complaining about the things that doesn't exist.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

This is one of the better posts I've read for a while - people need to realize that they aren't completely incompetent without CJ holding their hand.

Use the tools you've been given, instead of complaining about the things that doesn't exist.

while i agree, there are still things CJ could be doing better. they could release their own content while still making graal a development platform, while still breaking into the mobile market. you can't tell me that, if CJ wanted, they couldn't bring together some talented developers and create a new server for people to play - because honestly, with the pessimism and lack of motivation from players and developers, while it may be up to us to make our own content and "our own game" almost everything being created by players will never be used on graal, and never reach the classic tab, or god forbid the gold tab. not to mention the fact that a lot of people are not developers and play graal because it's a video game, not a development platform (for them). i don't see why developers should be taken care of with updates and new tools, and the players are left in the dust while those developers stumble about trying to create something in a spread out, unmotivated environment. shouldn't the players be given some direct CJ updates and content too? don't they matter just as much as the developers? don't they also pay for this game?

i mean seriously, when was the last time a new server was released?

[LoneAngelIbesu]

It's not, and never has been, Stefan's job (nor anybody else's job) to make the servers you play on. Classic servers are made and run by staff. So if there's a feature you want, you need to talk to the staff. If there's a feature developers want, then that's where asking Stefan comes in to play. Although, plenty of things in the Future Improvements forum are things that could be scripted, rather than things that must be put in the core. (copyfile(), anchoring come to mind.)

For the player-side of things, there are really only client updates, to make the game run smoother. This is already being done. Everything else is for the developers, because Graal is a development platform. It's up to staff to make the games; it's not GraalOnline's responsibility.

Also, if a server doesn't make Classic, then it's for a reason. There's no conspiracy preventing UC servers from being quality servers.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Should have found out by now, that the word free doesnt make it very far around these parts.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

For the player-side of things, there are really only client updates, to make the game run smoother. This is already being done. Everything else is for the developers, because Graal is a development platform. It's up to staff to make the games; it's not GraalOnline's responsibility.

it's this exact type of thinking that creates so much negativity and makes people unmotivated. if you're saying it's not CJ's responsibility to make their game worth paying for by keeping it full of fun content to play on, and their only job is to make little updates here and there, then maybe development really should be free - most players bought graal because it was a MMO, not because it was a development platform. only up until development became a bigger source of income did the focus switch, and you can see what it's done to graal so far (minus all the idiotic CJ-doesn't care conspirators and things-are-only-for-money mongers, those aren't exactly true)

i don't know when we all got around to thinking in this fashion, but it certainly was not how graal was originally, and it certainly isn't making the game more popular with it's core players. all of the most popular servers have been made by CJ (read: stefan) - correlation?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Use the tools you've been given, instead of complaining about the things that doesn't exist.

The tools? We barely have any tools, and it's not like we can improve the scripting engine. Stefan has seen fit to ban anyone attempting to make their own RC, yet he stubbornly refuses to update ours. Developers are truly scammed by Graal. The only reason I continue to upgrade is because I enjoy developing, but lately I've been getting even more annoyed about the huge lack of client updates, so that could change.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

The tools? We barely have any tools, and it's not like we can improve the scripting engine.

Way to take the word tools literally. Everything you have - be in GraalShop, GraalEditor, RC, scripting engine, serverlister - whatever, can be used to make some truly unique worlds.

Lately people have been complaining about how they can't do this and that, but what they fail to do in the process, is to look at what they can do.

Updates takes time, but we do see them from time to time. If you're not happy, the choise is yours to leave.

Originally Posted by cbk1994

The only reason I continue to upgrade is because I enjoy developing, but lately I've been getting even more annoyed about the huge lack of client updates, so that could change.

Cyberjoueurs provide you with development tools to do what you enjoy, there is no where stated that they have to build onto what they're already providing - the things that are here is what you yourself paied for after all.


I've said it once, and I'll gladly say it again. Not happy? Then leave. Stop expecting so god damn much and do what you can with what you have.