Please Welcome Xor

[Skatertay]

As far as I put it, sure I like to complain once in a while but is it worth it to go on and on about it on the forums till the topic is closed? Yes I am complaining as I speak about those who flame the subject with stupid non-sense. Congratulate him and go on with your daily lives.

[Lyndzey]

Originally Posted by Hiro

i think you are trying to create a reason for PWA to hire people they like, rather than people who have applied

No, that's not what I am saying at all. I don't think that an application is the best way to go about choosing someone for a global staff position. If the PWA wanted to only hire people they like, I'm sure they could have them send in an application and hire them that way.

I have had input on who should be hired for global positions before, and I felt the staff members we chose from applications turned out to be a lot worse than the ones we picked based on their experience on a staff team and their interaction with the community. I saw the same problem when I was hiring GPs for Classic as GP Chief. I hired this one person who had a great looking application, but turned out to be a horrible GP. From my experiences, applications are not the way to go for this game.

Originally Posted by Hiro

applications should be used as a way for the PWA to know which people want into the PWA, like in real jobs where you apply to make it known that you want the job. it shouldn't be said that applications are useless or unnecessary, because they aren't. further, once the application is done, only then can you really look at the person (interview) and then make a rational decision based upon the credentials and the impression

I do agree with you somewhat. Perhaps a mix of an application and experience with the person is the best way to go (such as TSAdmin). However, it is not reasonable to hire someone based only on an application and interview for this game. You cannot predict how that person will act as global staff unless you have seen how that person interacts with other players before. I'm sure someone can write a great application with lots of <3s all over, and have a nice interview as well. The problem is that unless global staff knows that person well, they would have no way of knowing how he/she treated other players, or whether or not he/she is corrupt or power hungry. You really need to know the player well before entrusting them with a global position.

Originally Posted by Hiro

just deciding that someone is good enough because you "know them" or "have seen them at work" isn't as great as when someone applies, waits, shows themselves as competent, and then is hired. i could care less if xor is PWA or not - i don't know a single thing about him, nor a single thing about why he was hired, other than he worked on zodiac and was apparently helpful to players. i also know FAQs on UN that help players out - why don't you go and watch them?

I don't believe this is a case of Bell hiring Xor because she knows him. Xor was the Asst Manager of Zodiac, not a FAQ on UN. The two positions are incomparable. Look at the current PWAs: Bell (former Classic GP Asst Admin), TSAdmin (Former Admin at Era), Tig (GK Admin). They all held management positions that not only helped them gain skills that would be useful as a PWA member, but also gave them the opportunity to prove to the players and global staff that they would be a fair and respectful staff member.

[Edit]: I'm sorry for turning this into an argument, it was not my intention. I just wanted to attempt to explain why applications are not always used in the hiring process of globals. This thread really should be about congratulating Xor, and wishing him luck with his new position.

[Skatertay]

Originally Posted by Lyndzey

No, that's not what I am saying at all. I don't think that an application is the best way to go about choosing someone for a global staff position. If the PWA wanted to only hire people they like, I'm sure they could have them send in an application and hire them that way.

I have had input on who should be hired for global positions before, and I felt the staff members we chose from applications turned out to be a lot worse than the ones we picked based on their experience on a staff team and their interaction with the community. I saw the same problem when I was hiring GPs for Classic as GP Chief. I hired this one person who had a great looking application, but turned out to be a horrible GP. From my experiences, applications are not the way to go for this game.



I do agree with you somewhat. Perhaps a mix of an application and experience with the person is the best way to go (such as TSAdmin). However, it is not reasonable to hire someone based only on an application and interview for this game. You cannot predict how that person will act as global staff unless you have seen how that person interacts with other players before. I'm sure someone can write a great application with lots of <3s all over, and have a nice interview as well. The problem is that unless global staff knows that person well, they would have no way of knowing how he/she treated other players, or whether or not he/she is corrupt or power hungry. You really need to know the player well before entrusting them with a global position.



I don't believe this is a case of Bell hiring Xor because she knows him. Xor was the Asst Manager of Zodiac, not a FAQ on UN. The two positions are incomparable. Look at the current PWAs: Bell (former Classic GP Asst Admin), TSAdmin (Former Admin at Era), Tig (GK Admin). They all held management positions that not only helped them gain skills that would be useful as a PWA member, but also gave them the opportunity to prove to the players and global staff that they would be a fair and respectful staff member.

[Edit]: I'm sorry for turning this into an argument, it was not my intention. I just wanted to attempt to explain why applications are not always used in the hiring process of globals. This thread really should be about congratulating Xor, and wishing him luck with his new position.

That so much is not an argument at least you got the point across of being positive on the person (Xor) that had gained PWA. It's all the negative connotation towards the subject that creates fuss.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Lyndzey

No, that's not what I am saying at all. I don't think that an application is the best way to go about choosing someone for a global staff position. If the PWA wanted to only hire people they like, I'm sure they could have them send in an application and hire them that way.

No, but an application helps describe how a person will do. I have no clue how Xor was hired but I can also feel how insulted the people who applied did when their applications were overlooked by somebody who didn't have to apply. It doesn't matter of your experiences about some former Classic GP, as an application has proven to be more effective in most cases.

For your previous response, this isn't like the real world yes, but a real world job analogy should be no different in choosing people. Not everybody knows everyone's capabilities and an application can and will show that. It's not that I don't think Xor isn't qualified though.

Also, I really don't feel that it should be a prerequisite, or be a large influence, to hold some high staff position on the forums. I've seen several helpful people on the forums that could be good for PWA that have been heading up UC servers, but aren't high staff positions on Classic Servers.

So far this thread has gotten a lot of negative feedback from the community, and it's not just out of jealousy,.

[Lyndzey]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

It doesn't matter of your experiences about some former Classic GP, as an application has proven to be more effective in most cases.

Really? When?

My experience with the former GP was just an example. There are several more I could go off, but I'm not going to start naming names of successes and failures on here. I was a global staff member for years, and I learned that an application is not the way to go when it comes to hiring people on this game.

Like I said before, HoudiniMan is the one who opened up the application process, and he is no longer the PWA Admin. Bell is the PWA Admin now, and will choose to hire people in the way that she feels is the most effective method.