The AP System.

[Kill]

I'll state where I am with this first - I do not like it at all, it has had a negative effect on PK'ing for one and i'll explain why:

Most of Ventrue and (former Rommiel) members do this - whenever they get to less than 40AP they run away to idle again to get over 60+ AP so that they have 8HP again and can heal, that is very lame and I hope this system is changed to prevent this.

It is very annoying for those that want to continuously PK such as myself, I have to PK vs someone with 8hp while I only have 3, and the frustrating thing is, I am at a disadvantage since they can hit bushes and heal with pots while I can't which is equally as lame.

I understand that there are people that don't want to PK, however I don't like how people now aim to get around 60+AP and then go PK only to run away when they are at fair HPs (which leaves me with x3 more Deaths than Kills and with them the opposite) Mighty and TheDae especially abuse this AP System, I hope they read this and feel rightfully ashamed for abusing this loophole.

Please vote on whether the AP system should be revised, untouched or removed in total.

Personally I'd like to see it removed since people are now too lazy to PK and therefore remove the fun for those that do. There is nothing of worth to do on Classic as of right now, and even though the HD sucks, I'd still like to have a fair chance vs everyone else. Additionally, it's very boring when there are no events going on, I like to pk and to be honest there is no one to PK due to this 100AP bs.

Tldr;
Why the AP System sucks:

• People no longer PK just to keep their 100AP.
• The AP System promotes idling.
• It has a negative effect on PK'ing.
• It promotes laming.
• Those that want to PK - can't, because of people with 100AP.
• It's very boring if you can't PK - thus a possible reason why the server is very inactive right now.
• 100AP people now get in the way of those that PK (since you can't hit them and they can't be moved) thus they use this to their advantage by blocking you.
• Loophole in the system which people such as Mighty and TheDae abuse.

[MysticX2X]

I think the AP gaining process should be slowed down a bit. Also I suggest the removal of the full heal (regardless of any AP) from christians shop. 75g is dirt cheap and you get a full heal.

But then again, nobody really pks anymore on any Classic Server.

[xnervNATx]

you just pointed out 5 times 100ap thing
People no longer PK just to keep their 100AP.

The AP System promotes idling.
It has a negative effect on PK'ing.
It promotes laming. <-laming?
Those that want to PK - can't, because of people with 100AP. <- this one i cant rly understand why its bad
It's very boring if you can't PK - thus a possible reason why the server is very inactive right now. <- the server is inactive because there nothing to do , people will not stay just for pk

i voted keep it untouched

plus i highly doubt staff will take this seriously.

[fa12]

I say it needs some changes, I doubt it's only Ventrue though :/ Anyways I think 100ap being immune to all attacks is lame. Bring back so that you can remove peoples 100ap that was really fun.

[Kill]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

I think the AP gaining process should be slowed down a bit. Also I suggest the removal of the full heal (regardless of any AP) from christians shop. 75g is dirt cheap and you get a full heal.

I agree.

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

you just pointed out 5 times 100ap thing

They are different points, I just summarised in those bullet points.

It promotes laming. <-laming?

Ventrue (mainly Mighty and TheDae) and former Rommiel lame, I already explained how they abuse it in the opening post.

Those that want to PK - can't, because of people with 100AP. <- this one i cant rly understand why its bad

That is bad because it means those that want to have fun and 'play' the server by PK'ing - can't. What's there to prove? It's plain logic.

It's very boring if you can't PK - thus a possible reason why the server is very inactive right now. <- the server is inactive because there nothing to do , people will not stay just for pk

I didn't say people will only stay to PK, but it damn right makes a difference.

i voted keep it untouched
plus i highly doubt staff will take this seriously.

Not to be rude or anything, I'm assuming you just read the word 'Mighty' and automatically declined the content because he's your friend.
Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned his name...

[xnervNATx]

my god this thread is a joke >.>

[Shadow87]

Stupid poll, I'll have to go and agree with laura, we have always had the AP system. I voted for it to be left untouched, this sounds more like a complaint about lamers than a suggestion. Next it will be get rid of saint because all they do is sit around until they feel like slashing someone.

And just to point it out, I wouldn't generalize the guilds Kill, Some Ventrue do that, some former Rommiels do it, but lets not keep out the rest shall we? Some US kids do it, and oh wait, so do other players from other guilds as well. So all in all, pretty dull complaint, I don't think its worth much looking into, management will probably see it that way, hopefully, that is no where near good enough reason to remove AP system. There has to be a point at which someone can go re heal fully.

[jorollychu]

AP is ****ing pointless it's like those stupid video games where you have to drink water every minute

[Darklux]

You can't force people to take part in PK - they can just idle paused, or whatever.
100 AP is a good way for people to keep out of this - they cannot pk by themselves, but they cannot be pked, too.

My proposal would be to remove any AP effect below an AP of 100.

[Kill]

My proposal would be to remove any AP effect below an AP of 100.

Completely agree, not sure why there are special effects for 40> <100AP in the first place.

[Shadow87]

Or just not touch it because Kill is the only one dumb enough to complain about the AP system.


-DONE-

[Ares]

why would you even want to pk with this HD? it's no fun

[Kill]

Originally Posted by Shadow87

Or just not touch it because Kill is the only one dumb enough to complain about the AP system.


-DONE-

I have raised good points, you however do not help the situation at all.
It's not as 'dumb' as you think it is, it's actually a pretty lame system as of right now.
How you have not been a victim of the current loophole is beyond me...

[Shadow87]

Well couple of things kill, first notice, now the vote is in favor of not touching it, so obviously only mystic is agreeing with you.
Secondly, I am not a victim because i am fkn awesome thats why. I am not dildos like you.
Third, you really did not make good points, the AP system as far as I know, has been the same, always. Correct me if I am wrong please, I would so appreciate it.

[xnervNATx]

[QUOTE=Kill;1480901]I agree.

They are different points, I just summarised in those bullet points.

you summarised what?

Ventrue (mainly Mighty and TheDae) and former Rommiel lame, I already explained how they abuse it in the opening post.

actually mighty is not even pking anymore , how can he lame?

That is bad because it means those that want to have fun and 'play' the server by PK'ing - can't. What's there to prove? It's plain logic.

people that have 100ap mean THEY DONT WANT TO PK , isnt that logic

I didn't say people will only stay to PK, but it damn right makes a difference.

not really a BIG difference its would make

Not to be rude or anything, I'm assuming you just read the word 'Mighty' and automatically declined the content because he's your friend.
Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned his name...

well whatever you say , mighty is my friend yes , but i did not vote because i saw his name. if your trying to start any false accusation you might as well shut up lol

[fa12]

Being able to de-saint was fun imo and I think it should be brought back.

[Kill]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

you summarised what?

I summarised in bullet points rather than explain each one since people like yourself don't read the above content. It's why you replied with questions, because you didn't read the full opening post:

Originally Posted by Kill

• People no longer PK just to keep their 100AP.
• The AP System promotes idling.
• It has a negative effect on PK'ing.
• It promotes laming.
• Those that want to PK - can't, because of people with 100AP.

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

actually mighty is not even pking anymore , how can he lame?

Exactly my point. He doesn't PK until he gets a really high AP, and then goes to level14 to PK because he has higher HP than everyone else and in the process gains 3x more kills than deaths because of it.

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

people that have 100ap mean THEY DONT WANT TO PK , isnt that logic

I was explaining to you, in reply to this:

this one i cant rly understand why its bad

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

not really a BIG difference its would make

May not be a big difference, but it certainly is a positive change.

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

well whatever you say , mighty is my friend yes , but i did not vote because i saw his name. if your trying to start any false accusation you might as well shut up lol

Denial. It's the first stage of where you know someone is right.
Listen, I said I wasn't trying to be rude -- he's obviously a very close friend to you since you have him in your profile with a special heart.
Aww, cute.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Kill

May not be a big difference, but it certainly is a positive change.

for YOU its may be positive , wat about everyone else?

Denial. It's the first stage of where you know someone is right.
Listen, I said I wasn't trying to be rude -- he's obviously a very close friend to you since you have him in your profile with a special heart.
Aww, cute.

oh yea , your not in it , are you jealous or something?

[Kill]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

for YOU its may be positive , wat about everyone else?

It's not really just for me. I raised valid points for staff to realise the flaws in the current system,
so because I want everyone to fight fair I'm being selfish?!

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

oh yea , your not in it , are you jealous or something?

2nd stage is when you justify behaviour; you've justified it with 'jealousy', which doesn't tackle the original assumption I made at all but lays an ignorant eye on the matter.

[xnervNATx]

whatever you say. but still you sound like staff will listen to all of your thread and act.

[Kill]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

whatever you say.

Final stage is completely ignoring the matter.

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

but still you sound like staff will listen to all of your thread and act.

Before I made this thread, I knew it would be seen as a stupid thread simply because people can't realise the flaws behind it since they haven't been a victim and because the AP System has been around for so long without people realising these flaws. I mean, if it's been around with no one reporting anything, surely it's perfect right?

I do not expect it to be removed, that is indeed a radical thing to do - I've simply presented reasons of why it sucks for staff to take note and change it for the good of everyone.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Kill

Final stage is completely ignoring the matter.

ill say it once again, its not because his name was there that i voted not to remove it , your so fking stupid kill

[Kill]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

ill say it once again, its not because his name was there that i voted not to remove it

Simply denying it isn't enough proof.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Kill

Simply denying it isn't enough proof.

like u said it before , most people like me do not read huge ass paragraphs, and you pointed out that i readed it. but in a previous post i asked questions without knowing what you said in your first post. is that enought for you

[Kill]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

like u said it before , most people like me do not read huge ass paragraphs, and you pointed out that i readed it. but in a previous post i asked questions without knowing what you said in your first post. is that enought for you

So you read the bottom summary part, correct?

Originally Posted by Kill

Tldr;
Why the AP System sucks:

• ...
• Loophole in the system which people such as Mighty and TheDae abuse.

I mentioned him a couple of times in the opening post. Even if you skim read it, ofcourse you'll see his name.

[Mighty]

lol where did you get my name from? I barely pk even when I actively played?

I think this thread is rediculous, if it really bothers you, there's always a pkzone nearby. the only change I'd like to see is the saints being able to get hit by weapons again

[Kill]

Don't play dumb. You know exactly what you're doing, you idle up until around 60 to 100AP and then come PK people in Level14, and when people like myself have died consecutively until you get to 3hp - you go back to idle again.
How is that not lame or not abusing a loophole in the AP System?

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Kill

Don't play dumb. You know exactly what you're doing, you idle up until around 60 to 100AP and then come PK people in Level14, and when people like myself have died until you get to 3hp - you go back to idle again. How is that not lame or not abusing a loophole in the AP System?

you getting lamed doesnt prove ANYTHING about mighty OR dae laming too, mystic lame me alot when i log on and do you see me crying over graal forum?

[Mighty]

I didn't say it was not, I agree that it is and I would gladly admit to doing it if I were but I'm not and that's enough said from me about this, not going to argue about it.

[Unpredlctable]

mighty and thedae how could u i am so disappointed

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Unpredlctable

mighty and thedae how could u i am so disappointed

hmmm by clicking S

[Kill]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

you getting lamed doesnt prove ANYTHING about mighty OR dae laming too, mystic lame me alot when i log on and do you see me crying over graal forum?

That is incomparable, you look dumb trying to compare the two.
I'll explain why:
Some people have found a loophole in the AP System which is very irritating as it is unfair. Your situation however, is fair because you can always log off in a no-PK zone, it saves you the troubles of being lamed when you log on.

Originally Posted by Mighty

I didn't say it was not, I agree that it is

Thank you for using your brain, some of the people in this thread really aren't and it's going on to a personal level which I wish it wasn't.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Kill

That is incomparable, you look dumb trying to compare the two.

i never said all of my death were made when i was logging on , wtf are you trying to prove?

[Unpredlctable]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

hmmm by clicking S

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Kill

Don't play dumb. You know exactly what you're doing, you idle up until around 60 to 100AP and then come PK people in Level14, and when people like myself have died consecutively until you get to 3hp - you go back to idle again.
How is that not lame or not abusing a loophole in the AP System?

are they cleverly exploiting a game mechanic in such a way that you can't copy it?

no.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

are they cleverly exploiting a game mechanic in such a way that you can't copy it?

no.

touche

[Rufus]

I voted to leave it untouched. Sure there's a hell of a lot of people with 100ap these days, because there is really no incentive to actually do anything in these circumstances. In the past if there was something going on, such as a guild war for instance, people who walk around with their 100ap had no problem losing it. Times have changed though, the hit detection is weak, so there is just no reason to PK.

If there's people "abusing" the AP system, then simply only raise AP while in PK levels and while you're unpaused. I personally agree that 100apers should be able to be hit by NPCs, but apparently there's a lot of distaste for that within the staff team and it doesn't entirely make sense anyway. Oh well.

[StrykerTFFD]

Bring back PK tags.

[Shadow87]

Kill way to not respond to my comments, guess you had nothing!

[Kill]

Originally Posted by Shadow87

Kill way to not respond to my comments, guess you had nothing!

There was no need. If you want the truth:- I could hardly understand what you were talking about. The way you type is seriously messed up, I'm not even trying to insult you. It's, like, this, and, it's, confusing.

Also how you expect me to take this seriously is really beyond me.

Originally Posted by Shadow87

I am not a victim because i am fkn awesome thats why. I am not dildos like you.

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

are they cleverly exploiting a game mechanic in such a way that you can't copy it?

no.

The question is not whether if I am able to do the same atrocious acts; it's the fact that it's wrong since it's lame is what i'm trying to get at.
It's also unfair on those that don't do it.

I forgot, why was the AP System re-introduced again?
To cure the problem of laming.
Now tell me, how is this loophole in the system which makes it possible to lame - not losing its original objectives?
How can you justify this hypocrisy?