New Manager

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Last time I recall, it shouldn't be who the PWA wants as manager in all honesty. That's like saying the people can't vote for president.

No, it isn't. Classic is a server owned by a corporation; it is not a democratic nation.

[LOA--Paul]

Originally Posted by Kristi

No, it isn't. Classic is a server owned by a corporation; it is not a democratic nation.

Yeah but most corporations already have some sort of cycle time and accountability in place production wise for projects like this. Cyberjouers is highly atypical in that aspect so who knows what they will do.

The job should be seen as 'project manager' rather than 'scripting/levels manager'. Right now, it's basically head LAT with some other RC rights. I dont see a lot of actual oversight going on. Most of what it takes shouldnt really take RC rights besides to verify what was done by others. Manager should be keeping track of things in excel and using other methods. Everyone should have some specific assignments (with enough leeway to get good original approved side projects going)

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

Yeah but most corporations already have some sort of cycle time and accountability in place production wise for projects like this. Cyberjouers is highly atypical in that aspect so who knows what they will do.

So either you think it is a democratic nation, and your proof is terrible, or your rebuttal is irrelevant to my statement and shouldn't have a "but". I simply stated that mystic's analogy is wrong.

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

The job should be seen as 'project manager' rather than 'scripting/levels manager'. Right now, it's basically head LAT with some other RC rights. I dont see a lot of actual oversight going on. Most of what it takes shouldnt really take RC rights besides to verify what was done by others. Manager should be keeping track of things in excel and using other methods. Everyone should have some specific assignments (with enough leeway to get good original approved side projects going)

No, Thor should be the one with the spreadsheet as the development administrator. The manager should oversight the team leads and make sure they are doing what they are supposed to do. If you think Thor is doing a good job, Night is doing a good job, and Stryker is doing a good job, then by default you think Storm is doing a good job, since that is his position. If you are unsatisfied with one of the three listed above, then Storm is doing a less then perfect job by not replacing them.

[LOA--Paul]

Originally Posted by Kristi

So either you think it is a democratic nation, and your proof is terrible, or your rebuttal is irrelevant to my statement and shouldn't have a "but". I simply stated that mystic's analogy is wrong.

No, neither. My point is that yes- Graal is run by a corporation. However, the way they handle things is very atypical to the way almost every other corporation does. They have a history of listening to players in certain situations, and disregarding them in others. It's hit or miss as far as that goes. What I'm trying to say is if you look at the bigger picture decision wise there doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason to the decision making process. So to say that player input is futile no matter what is wrong- it might make a huge difference, might not- there's no telling

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Kristi

No, it isn't. Classic is a server owned by a corporation; it is not a democratic nation.

Never said we had a sole right in choosing who we want/don't want as managers. But as the paying customers, our voice should be considered most of all.

@ Your Manager Statement: If all admins are doing their Job fine, that does NOT mean that Storm is doing a great job. He's supposed to be the one briefing the server and the dev team the most. I don't recollect the Dev Admin deciding what goes on Classic or not. That really should be the managers job but I don't have a problem with Thor though. Anyone can make sure staff admins are doing their job. Classic has lost hope and there is nobody but the manager to blame for that since that person has to be the one to ensure prosperity. Right now, the FAQ team is fine, GC team is fine, GP team is a bit inactive, and Dev team is a bit slow.

[jacob_bald6225]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Never said we had a sole right in choosing who we want/don't want as managers. But as the paying customers, our voice should be considered most of all.

@ Your Manager Statement: If all admins are doing their Job fine, that does NOT mean that Storm is doing a great job. He's supposed to be the one briefing the server and the dev team the most. I don't recollect the Dev Admin deciding what goes on Classic or not. That really should be the managers job but I don't have a problem with Thor though. Anyone can make sure staff admins are doing their job. Classic has lost hope and there is nobody but the manager to blame for that since that person has to be the one to ensure prosperity. Right now, the FAQ team is fine, GC team is fine, GP team is a bit inactive, and Dev team is a bit slow.

Thats because manager isn't really a position classic has ever had... Seriously I would believe that expecting anything out of a manager besides being there to be trusted and remove inactive admins or admins who are blatantly corrupt. Seriously Manager isn't a job that you have to be super active to do.--Storm isn't doing a bad job(Well maybe for not kicking the dev team in the ass when they were stagnating the last two times), I would say that manager is more of a checks and balances kind of position that enables you to have different staff divisions without worrying about somebody getting too much power.

[MysticX2X]

So logging in every few often days isn't a bad thing for a manager? Sorry, but tell that to the PWA's who removed managers of other servers for that same "decent management".

Managers have to think too, you know. Anyone can do Storm's job right about now. Logging in every 3 days, answering pms with a "hmmm", and taking care of a few staff transgressions whenever they arouse. How devastating it is