New Manager

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Wow hahaha, you are really not able to identify what a possible poll regarding player location could possibly show, or is this just an excuse to reply to me?

What your poll will show is that Storm is right and its probably a 50/50 split. No point wasting staff time to verify something that has already been said.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

What your poll will show is that Storm is right and its probably a 50/50 split. No point wasting staff time to verify something that has already been said.

Yes, because we all pull figures out of our ass and base decisions upon that. It also takes an excruciating amount of time and effort to go set a poll, in an already existing poll system, to more accurately represent the data you're assuming.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Yes, because we all pull figures out of our ass and base decisions upon that. It also takes an excruciating amount of time and effort to go set a poll in an already existing poll system to more accurately represent the data you're assuming.

Chances are he isn't pulling anything 'out of his ass'.

The way I see it, the majority of the people in this thread (other than one or two of you) continually try to undermine Storm at every turn. Some of what is said is deserved, but you have Rufus here trying to argue about statistics which are probably valid, for no other reason than to discredit what Storm had to say.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

Chances are he isn't pulling anything 'out of his ass'.

The way I see it, the majority of the people in this thread (other than one or two of you) continually try to undermine Storm at every turn. Some of what is said is deserved, but you have Rufus here trying to argue about statistics which are probably valid, for no other reason than to discredit what Storm had to say.

When someone claims a statistic is as good as "pulling [something] out of [someones] ass" it is a metaphor used to convey assumption. "50/50" is hardly an accurate representation any demographic on any game ever -- it's an obvious assumption and many people will feel as though it is inaccurate. "50/50" isn't even a statistic that has been rounded off accurately and in an argument structure, conclusions should not be made entirely from assumptions where statistics can be provided. This is very basic logic here.

I have already stated that my suggestion is out of curiosity (which you've already addressed but are now changing your mind, inconsistencies?) but at the same time it can prove an assumed statement to be a true or false representation. I have simply asked him to do what every other game development team, manager, or even business would do before making decisions based upon geographical locations, and that is research facts. If you believe that research is inappropriate or is a waste of time, you might want to go let the word out to every marketing team in the world, otherwise you're just attempting to argue with me and it is embarrassingly weak.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Rufus

When someone claims a statistic is as good as "pulling [something] out of [someones] ass" it is a metaphor used to convey assumption. "50/50" is hardly an accurate representation any demographic on any game ever -- it's an obvious assumption and many people will feel as though it is inaccurate. "50/50" isn't even a statistic that has been rounded off accurately and in an argument structure, conclusions should not be made entirely from assumptions where statistics can be provided. This is very basic logic here.

If you're so big on statistics, could you provide some insight on the demographics for some of the other MMORPGs, because to my knowledge, most (popular) MMORPGs have seperate servers for both Europe and North America (and most don't allow for interaction between the two continents).

As long as I've known Storm (maybe not known, I don't talk to him on a regular basis), he has never once pulled a number out of the air, he has always had some statistic to go on. Maybe it isn't exactly 50/50, but it most likely is something close to. If the average was 80/20, then I could see basis for an arguement.

Originally Posted by Rufus

I have already stated that my suggestion is out of curiosity (which you've already addressed but are now changing your mind, inconsistencies?).

I was trying to be polite, as to not outright accuse you of attacking Storm, or trying to discredit him. I guess it was a waste of time since I made the accusation a few posts later.

As for the rest, Storm can't really dictate where the server should be moved to. Stefan has control of that, and he moved it for a reason (not sure on his reasoning, but it was most likely cost).

[DarkCloud_PK]

Re: US/UK spilt.

You could take a poll in the poll house, but those numbers might not be accurate. If there was a way to determine region by script maybe. Anyway, I dont see the big deal using the poll house for it if so many players are interested in the statistics. It's not like a new poll has been up for a while, why not use it?

Re: Storm.

Storm, this is a direct and public question to you, and I expect to you answer it, in public, full transparency of the management and all.

My question is simple.

Why do you believe you still deserve your position despite the overwhelming arguments against you holding your position further?

The players generally do not approve of you, and it shows, as you said, when you post here, it turns into a bash storm fest.

You have a very very dodgy track record. For the most part, you are only active to a minimum when you are under pressure. You're under pressure now from the PWA, and I am certain that is the reason for your newfound spark of activity. However, I see that spark dwindling.

-You're online less than you were a week ago.
-You haven't worked on the onslaught event for about the same amount of time, last I checked, it was a cumulative 120 lines of code for the past week, with a lot of spaces and comments included in the line count.(For comparison for non scripters, my card table script is 1.3K lines long with no comments, not the best scripting I know, but thats how much I've put into just the gameplay)
-I asked you several days ago to get the dev team mod rights here so we could more easily document updates on the server, in one locked and constantly updated thread, for all to see, for all updates big and small.
You agreed with my idea, yet, you haven't done what is needed to get it done, and Moonie told me, only you make the call on forum mods here.

In summary, why do you deserve to be classic's manager? Hopefully you can agree with the community here and admit, there are people here now that could dedicate a lot more time and energy into the position, while being a bigger part of that same community than you are now(I really don't consider you to be much of the community, you don't interact with the players very much besides complaints, you really aren't one of the players). Why not do a noble thing, and give your position to someone both more capable, and more popular than yourself? If you really care about classic, that might be the best thing you could do, and maybe the easiest route for you.

Totally going to quote linkin park here.

Originally Posted by Linkin Park

Forfeit the game
Before somebody else
Takes you out of the frame
Puts your name to shame
Cover up your face
You can't run the race
The pace is too fast
You just won't last

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Re: US/UK spilt.

You could take a poll in the poll house, but those numbers might not be accurate. If there was a way to determine region by script maybe. Anyway, I dont see the big deal using the poll house for it if so many players are interested in the statistics. It's not like a new poll has been up for a while, why not use it?

Re: Storm.

Storm, this is a direct and public question to you, and I expect to you answer it, in public, full transparency of the management and all.

My question is simple.

Why do you believe you still deserve your position despite the overwhelming arguments against you holding your position further?

The players generally do not approve of you, and it shows, as you said, when you post here, it turns into a bash storm fest.

You have a very very dodgy track record. For the most part, you are only active to a minimum when you are under pressure. You're under pressure now from the PWA, and I am certain that is the reason for your newfound spark of activity. However, I see that spark dwindling.

-You're online less than you were a week ago.
-You haven't worked on the onslaught event for about the same amount of time, last I checked, it was a cumulative 120 lines of code for the past week, with a lot of spaces and comments included in the line count.(For comparison for non scripters, my card table script is 1.3K lines long with no comments, not the best scripting I know, but thats how much I've put into just the gameplay)
-I asked you several days ago to get the dev team mod rights here so we could more easily document updates on the server, in one locked and constantly updated thread, for all to see, for all updates big and small.
You agreed with my idea, yet, you haven't done what is needed to get it done, and Moonie told me, only you make the call on forum mods here.

In summary, why do you deserve to be classic's manager? Hopefully you can agree with the community here and admit, there are people here now that could dedicate a lot more time and energy into the position, while being a bigger part of that same community than you are now(I really don't consider you to be much of the community, you don't interact with the players very much besides complaints, you really aren't one of the players). Why not do a noble thing, and give your position to someone both more capable, and more popular than yourself? If you really care about classic, that might be the best thing you could do, and maybe the easiest route for you.

Totally going to quote linkin park here.

wow dc , im totally going for you.

[Polo]

Regading my comments about a 50/50 split in player demographic, I'll point out the use of the word 'approximately' in my original post. I didn't intend to imply the split is exactly 50/50, rather give the impression that there is no significant bias one way or the other. The main point of the post though was to point out that any change to the server location would bring bad sideffects along with the good ones.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

Why do you believe you still deserve your position despite the overwhelming arguments against you holding your position further?

The players generally do not approve of you, and it shows, as you said, when you post here, it turns into a bash storm fest.

I wasn't aware that being Manager was a popularity contest. I though it was about managing the server and trying to push things fowards. Seriously, given past events I fully expect players to hold me in a negative light. I just accept that as part of the position. It's more important for me to use actions to change Classic for the better right now that to worry about my own reputation.

There are few people on Classic with the mindset or server knowledge to work with player requests and work them into a tangible idea. As I've said before it's easy to take one players complaint and resolve it. being able to take comments from everyone and evaluate them in a non-biased way is what it takes to be a manager, and plenty of people simply cannot do that. The are probably equally as few people with the patience to consider every little change to the server and how it will affect things, trying to balance what players appear to want against what will actually be good for the server.

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

You have a very very dodgy track record. For the most part, you are only active to a minimum when you are under pressure. You're under pressure now from the PWA, and I am certain that is the reason for your newfound spark of activity. However, I see that spark dwindling.

My level of activity has nothing to do with any threats or pressure I am under. It has more to do with real life issues. You point to a few minor things that apparently show my 'spark' is already dwindling.

• My activity was down on last week. It happens. I can't be expected to increase this every single week. Things will naturally fluctuate depending on various circumstances. I detailed my intended minimum activity earlier in the thread, and this is something I intend to stick to.
• The code base for Onslaught is small and/or has not been modified for a week. Onslaught and the event systems are not the only code I've been working on, nor is my primary job even a development one. If I'm busy with other management tasks, I have to prioritise accordingly. There is work that has been done on the Event systems that has not yet translated into actual code.
• I did not tell Moonie to make you a moderator. You asked me for moderator rights so that you could make a locked thread for releases. Whilst I approve of the idea, giving full blown moderator rights is excessive for such a small task. I'm fairly sure I can't hand out hundreds of moderator positions, so I've been looking at ways to avoid giving moderator positions for this task, and also trying to determine who all should get moderator if this is required.

Seriously, if you think I'm losing my spark, then you are mistaken. I want to see the server back where it belongs, and I'm ready to do what I can to achieve that.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

If you're so big on statistics, could you provide some insight on the demographics for some of the other MMORPGs, because to my knowledge, most (popular) MMORPGs have seperate servers for both Europe and North America (and most don't allow for interaction between the two continents).

Not entirely relevant, but if you're interested I'm sure you have the ability to Google it, which is basically what you're asking me to do anyway.

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

As long as I've known Storm (maybe not known, I don't talk to him on a regular basis), he has never once pulled a number out of the air, he has always had some statistic to go on. Maybe it isn't exactly 50/50, but it most likely is something close to. If the average was 80/20, then I could see basis for an arguement.

Aside from the minimal amount Storm spends on the server, arguments are intended to change the minds of other people. It is pretty evident to nearly everyone in this thread, aside from yourself, that he has posted a questionable representation of the playercount and therein lies a basis for an argument. Your negative connotation of what an argument is may be overshadowing your view of what was actually said, but there is little reason to project it on the forums.

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I was trying to be polite, as to not outright accuse you of attacking Storm, or trying to discredit him. I guess it was a waste of time since I made the accusation a few posts later.

XDDDDDDD

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

As for the rest, Storm can't really dictate where the server should be moved to. Stefan has control of that, and he moved it for a reason (not sure on his reasoning, but it was most likely cost).

As manager of the server, Storm is very much empowered to reason with Stefan regarding the location of the server. Just because Storm addresses the issue doesn't mean that it will be or can be moved, but when the manager approaches you as a representation for the server, you're more inclined to listen as opposed to some random player who usually has selfish reasoning. Statistics provide a good medium to reason with, and if it turns out that the majority of players on Classic are effected by the server being in Europe and it is in some way providing a detriment to the server, then there is a reason to put it back. If the issue is not addressed then you can expect nothing to happen. Again, very basic logic.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Not entirely relevant, but if you're interested I'm sure you have the ability to Google it, which is basically what you're asking me to do anyway.

It is completely relevant, you're arguing that what Storm suggested is "hardly an accurate representation any demographic on any game ever". You must be comparing Graal to other MMORPGs, I am just wondering which ones you're comparing it to.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Aside from the minimal amount Storm spends on the server, arguments are intended to change the minds of other people. It is pretty evident to nearly everyone in this thread, aside from yourself, that he has posted a questionable representation of the playercount and therein lies a basis for an argument. Your negative connotation of what an argument is may be overshadowing your view of what was actually said, but there is little reason to project it on the forums.

I am willing to bet that out of the 3 people who responded to me (or "nearly everyone" as you put it) would agree that it is probably a 60/40 split, not something as outlandish as what you're hinting at. A 60/40 split would not be enough to warrant a move, as what Storm and Gladius said.

I'll ignore the rest of your arguement since it hinges on a large portion of what has already been talked about above.