Why has the playercount dropped so dramatically?

[MiniOne]

Why has the playercount dropped so dramatically?
Your Opinion on why the playercount had dropped by so much...
E.g. On Zone we use to have 80+ on peak times but now its hard for it to even pass 40.. which is extremely boring...

I Blame Gelats =] And the removal of lifetime classic, also the changes added to the trial system but that's just talking from a zone players point a view
From zodiac i believe a lot of players quit because of the removal of lifetime classic as well as not being able to pay them separately.

[TheSpude_P2P]

Sadly, it's because someone is making all the wrong decisions. Who? that's for you to guess! Muahaha!

[RevolutionJS]

What you mean?
About the playercount dropping last Month or years?

[DuBsTeRmAn]

At playercount on Zone, because of the many stupid changes. Also gelats.. Zone was more fun before all this ****.

[James]

Graal in general is becoming dated, and it's hard to keep up with the times when the developers of the game are focusing entirely on something else.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by James

Graal in general is becoming dated, and it's hard to keep up with the times when the developers of the game are focusing entirely on something else.

I agree with you there, but maybe they are concentrating on something else right now, in order to bring in more money to put into Graal. I hope, anyway.

[Bell]

I know this is contrary to the general Graalian mindset but the fact is, Graal needs to downsize. There are too many servers in relationship to the number of developers/players.
We have too many people wanting to be boss with too few workerbees to support it. Until people realize that nothing is going to change.

The PWA has been given the insurmountable task to decide who survives and who dies. This isn't going to be popular with many of you but people have to stop trying to live in the past and start coming up with ideas that are new and fresh. They have to spend the time to make good graphics and good content rather than trying to revive something that died from lack of interest in the first place. They also need to focus on a core set of servers, each with its own individuality and work toward common goals.

Most gamers in general have ADD so you need to keep them interested and focused by providing them with enough activities to keep their attention for more than a couple hours of gameplay.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Bell

I know this is contrary to the general Graalian mindset but the fact is, Graal needs to downsize. There are too many servers in relationship to the number of developers/players.
We have too many people wanting to be boss with too few workerbees to support it. Until people realize that nothing is going to change.

The PWA has been given the insurmountable task to decide who survives and who dies. This isn't going to be popular with many of you but people have to stop trying to live in the past and start coming up with ideas that are new and fresh. They have to spend the time to make good graphics and good content rather than trying to revive something that died from lack of interest in the first place. They also need to focus on a core set of servers, each with its own individuality and work toward common goals.

Most gamers in general have ADD so you need to keep them interested and focused by providing them with enough activities to keep their attention for more than a couple hours of gameplay.

I think many people would agree with you.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I think many people would agree with you.

I'll forward our hate mail to you when people start getting turned down for hosted and servers start disappearing of tabs for development inactivity

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Bell

I know this is contrary to the general Graalian mindset but the fact is, Graal needs to downsize. There are too many servers in relationship to the number of developers/players.
We have too many people wanting to be boss with too few workerbees to support it. Until people realize that nothing is going to change.

The PWA has been given the insurmountable task to decide who survives and who dies. This isn't going to be popular with many of you but people have to stop trying to live in the past and start coming up with ideas that are new and fresh. They have to spend the time to make good graphics and good content rather than trying to revive something that died from lack of interest in the first place. They also need to focus on a core set of servers, each with its own individuality and work toward common goals.

Holy crap, a clued up administrator.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Holy crap, a clued up administrator.

Someone dump a bucket of water on Rufus, I think he just fainted.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Bell

Someone dump a bucket of water on Rufus, I think he just fainted.

I'm excited. Are you talking about the servers on the Classic list?

[Soala]

Originally Posted by Bell

I know this is contrary to the general Graalian mindset but the fact is, Graal needs to downsize. There are too many servers in relationship to the number of developers/players.

Yup

Originally Posted by Bell

We have too many people wanting to be boss with too few workerbees to support it.

That's probably why alot of playerworlds dies, they only make fun of it

Originally Posted by Bell

Until people realize that nothing is going to change.

Agreeing here

Originally Posted by Bell

The PWA has been given the insurmountable task to decide who survives and who dies. This isn't going to be popular with many of you but people have to stop trying to live in the past and start coming up with ideas that are new and fresh.

Guess what Azure Skies is for.

Originally Posted by Bell

They have to spend the time to make good graphics and good content rather than trying to revive something that died from lack of interest in the first place.

lol Endora

Originally Posted by Bell

They also need to focus on a core set of servers, each with its own individuality and work toward common goals.

Of course they do need to work together, but still the problem is that most of themes been made already. Most of playerworlds are actually a copy of existing servers with a few more ideas THAT AREN'T WORTH IT.
The hell of the problem is that there is too much playerworlds, and 95% of them fail. When was the last time a server made it to classic ? A long time ago. Playerworlds is a large source of money for graal, but there's no solution.

Originally Posted by Bell

Most gamers in general have ADD so you need to keep them interested and focused by providing them with enough activities to keep their attention for more than a couple hours of gameplay.

Yet again agreeing with you here, Bell.

*dumps bucket of water on Rufus*

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I'm excited. Are you talking about the servers on the Classic list?

Yes, but that doesn't mean that players will see instant progress. It means that if they aren't working towards improvement on a regular basis they will be moved. Classic servers being moved will also need to be approved by Stefan whereas Hosted servers only require the PWA.

[Angelu]

i want a lobby where you can walk around "even trials" to chat XD
without pk or whatever so the players meet inside Graal instead of using IM or the Forum

[Bell]

Originally Posted by alexandralove

Of course they do need to work together, but still the problem is that most of themes been made already. Most of playerworlds are actually a copy of existing servers with a few more ideas THAT AREN'T WORTH IT.
The hell of the problem is that there is too much playerworlds, and 95% of them fail. When was the last time a server made it to classic ? A long time ago. Playerworlds is a large source of money for graal, but there's no solution.

Hence my reason for saying insurmountable task. I have to believe though that quality content would draw in more people willing to pay to play vs counting on a fixed income from development income. That in itself has dropped just as steadily. At one point I was checking over 102 playerworlds while last I counted it was 59. Thats quite a substantial drop in funds.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Bell

I'll forward our hate mail to you when people start getting turned down for hosted and servers start disappearing of tabs for development inactivity

I get enough, thanks, lol

[James]

It's because we don't actually have enough people with the skills needed to create a decent server that want to work together. Everyone has their own thing they want to do, but none of them want to go with the same style of playerworld. Honestly, I think everyone should hop on the Crystia bandwagon, it's the only thing I've seen lately that has a great amount of potential that hasn't been done before.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by James

It's because we don't actually have enough people with the skills needed to create a decent server that want to work together. Everyone has their own thing they want to do, but none of them want to go with the same style of playerworld. Honestly, I think everyone should hop on the Crystia bandwagon, it's the only thing I've seen lately that has a great amount of potential that hasn't been done before.

Last I saw its staff also seemed to be losing interest.

[James]

Originally Posted by Bell

Last I saw its staff also seemed to be losing interest.

I wish that wasn't the case. The quality of it would blow any current playerworld out of the water.

[Bell]

Pretty graphics won't help the server to survive though if they aren't developing content to go with it. I also have high hopes for it but am concerned with the lack of activity there.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by James

I wish that wasn't the case. The quality of it would blow any current playerworld out of the water.

So will Maloria.

[James]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

So will Maloria.

I remember the old Maloria. It was fun, but it was missing the addictive ingredient. I see you have Deek working for you, I bet we will see a definite graphics upgrade.

[Angelu]

How i said long ago...
Graal needs to be free 4 developers
i understand if people with skills dont want to pay for their own work

and James i think Crystia is dead
i cant script
i hate to gfx
so it will never be finished

[Elizabeth]

players are growing up and moving on with their lives.........some are grown up, but aren't moving on. most now have a family and important stuffz to do.

[salesman]

I was actually looking forward to Crystia =[

shame..

[James]

Originally Posted by Angelu

Graal needs to be free 4 developers

i hate to gfx

This. Yes. Win. I don't understand why they expect us to pay them to develop. This is why we need GS2 support offline.

You're really good at graphics, it sucks that you hate it. I wish I had half your talent.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by James

This. Yes. Win. I don't understand why they expect us to pay them to develop. This is why we need GS2 support offline.

You're really good at graphics, it sucks that you hate it. I wish I had half your talent.

It would at least be nice if developers didn't have to upgrade to gold to work on a server. Playing I can understand, but it's really counter-productive to require that for the developers, too. I've had a few talented people turn me down for the sole reason of not wanting to buy Gold

[Vima]

I don't know how many posts I've read about people saying:
"Yes, we need to work together." "We gotta stop making our own servers and start working on the allready existing servers."
Yet, THOSE people doesn't even do it.
If they don't start, WHO WILL START?

[MiniOne]

Actually thats a great idea, downsizing graal why didn't anyone think of that earlier, and i agree with Bell hopefully there getting this money for something that will give Graal a 'Boost' and not just giving it all themselves cause their greedy

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Vima

I don't know how many posts I've read about people saying:
"Yes, we need to work together." "We gotta stop making our own servers and start working on the allready existing servers."
Yet, THOSE people doesn't even do it.
If they don't start, WHO WILL START?

You should have stayed on UN, Xelt really needs some talented help and you're pretty much the only one left there. I'd hop along too but I don't have time and quit developing.

[thesmoothcriminal]

Your all wrong. Schools started up im guessing. See you playercount

Originally Posted by Angelu

How i said long ago...
Graal needs to be free 4 developers
i understand if people with skills dont want to pay for their own work

and James i think Crystia is dead
i cant script
i hate to gfx
so it will never be finished

Learn to like what your good at

[Crono]

Originally Posted by thesmoothcriminal

Your all wrong. Schools started up im guessing. See you playercount

You're wrong.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Crono

You're wrong.

You can really tell when December hit's the playercount. (-2M)

Originally Posted by thesmoothcriminal

Learn to like what you're good at

If only people would. I'm guilty of it, though, so I shouldn't really speak on that topic too in-depth.

Originally Posted by Bell

...Pretty much everything she's said, actually...

/Agree'd, as you've probably been made very well aware of with my input to you over AIM, Global Forum Threads/Posts, and so forth. I really am quite honoured to be working under you, and I can say that without my lips ever going anywhere near... yeah. You get the picture.

I really hope things turn around.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

You can really tell when December hit's the playercount. (-2M)

Compare it to exactly a year ago, that's a playercount drop.

[Liberated]

everyone should just start helping out on AEON, that should increase playercountr drastically, once it's finished atleast.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Liberated

everyone should just start helping out on AEON, that should increase playercountr drastically, once it's finished atleast.

It's basically a playerworld that tries to have multiple playerworlds in one playerworld. Right?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Crono

It's basically a playerworld that tries to have multiple playerworlds in one playerworld. Right?

That actually sounds fun.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

That actually sounds fun.

To me it just sounds redundant and I can imagine quantity over quality really playing a role there.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

That actually sounds fun.

It sounds fun but Stefan won't allow it to be 4 separate worlds. It has to be tied together as a past/present/future thing or basically they are just paying for one server in order to develop 4.

I'm not saying that is what they are doing. I'm just basically warning people who have their mental gears churning that this is not allowed.