Rated M for mature.

[theHAWKER]

I was just wondering if it would be ok to amke a server that had M rated material like swears and gore but we would have a notice when you logged on.

would that be ok?

[Nabru]

I doubt it.

[xAzerothx]

Doesn't Era have that? You can also go on Zone and you'll see people swearing.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by xAzerothx

Doesn't Era have that? You can also go on Zone and you'll see people swearing.

Just because you see it, doesn't mean it is allowed. It's not enforced.

[Inverness]

In my mind it would be alright as long as you had to click some agreement thing when you login each time, but of course I doubt any of the globals consider that good enough.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by theHAWKER

I was just wondering if it would be ok to amke a server that had M rated material like swears and gore but we would have a notice when you logged on.

would that be ok?

There's gore now, so I don't see why that would be a problem. In my opinion curses aren't a problem - it's how people use them... and typically they don't need curses to do what the swear filter is supposed to be protecting.

The players are ridiculously ruthless to one another, and it's really very pathetic.

[Bell]

Swear filters aren't mandatory on servers as of yet but a rated server wouldn't be acceptable as it would break the rules of the Rules of Conduct. It seems to me it would need a revamping of the entire system to allow a server of that nature to be allowed. The gore we have now is hardly gore in comparison to other online games.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Bell

The gore we have now is hardly gore in comparison to other online games.

Ratings aren't built on comparison. They're built to solid standards. Otherwise, that would mean if the next GTA game has enough gore, it would put a game like Manhunt into the "E" rating.

If servers would be given ratings, Era would definitly not fall into "E". I can't say if I think it's an "M" since I don't play it enough, but I know it would definitly have to be like "T" at least.

[DustyPorViva]

I doubt you'll be able to put the M as mature thing, mainly because you'll be forging a rating(ESRB? didn't actually review the content and issue it). Though you can put a little thing that says that it contains mature content.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by theHAWKER

I was just wondering if it would be ok to amke a server that had M rated material like swears and gore but we would have a notice when you logged on.

would that be ok?

Lots of servers already have swearing. Personally, I use a filter on all of my servers because I don't like to see people swear. It's really just pathetic.

As for gore ... gonna show a red dot? That will really scare people. I think you'd have a hard time really showing gore on Graal in a way that would not be good for young ones.

[Codein]

PG and 12 movies have swearing in, but that's uk.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Lots of servers already have swearing. Personally, I use a filter on all of my servers because I don't like to see people swear. It's really just pathetic.

And what exactly do you mean by a swear filter? A voluntary clientside filter or a mandatory serverside filter? (This is assuming you are staff who has implemented a system in relation to swearing.)

I hope you're not force-filtering people just because of your own preferences, that would be pathetic.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Inverness

I hope you're not force-filtering people just because of your own preferences, that would be pathetic.

Copied from the Rules of conduct from the Graalonline website:

Chat and Forum
Discussion through onscreen chat, GraalOnline chat, and discussion forums is a part of the game. GraalOnline must not be used, however, to promote competing products or services. Individuals who actively promote other competing products or services within GraalOnline, may be locked out.

Another abuse of chat and forum privileges is when players use abusive language (cursing or threatening language), racial attacks or comments, or sexually explicit comments, either general or specific, when communicating to individual players, in the content of mass messages via the GraalOnline chat system, or via the discussion boards.

The GraalOnline Communications Forum (Message Boards) is used to discuss GraalOnline related content, gameplay, ideas, experiences. Constructive complaints and other healthy criticism that points out ways the game can be improved are welcome. Flame wars, personal attacks on players, and any unfounded criticisms will be removed. Abuses such as these will lead to players being banned from the Communications Forum. GraalOnline staff may lock out such abusive players.

Players may not promote anything sexually explicit, implications of racism, or vulgar online. This includes, but is not limited to, sharing URLs with others to websites that contain profanity, nudity, or anything else that violates the GraalOnline Rules of Conduct.

Players promoting content that is subversive to gameplay, promotes cheating, or any other hacking activities risk immediate ban. GraalOnline will have no tolerance for such activities.

It's nice to see someone actually enforcing this.

[Codein]

The way I see it is... the people who swear a lot are those who fail to respect the English language. Most people who swear are not smart enough to think of the appropriate words to use.

[Pimmeh]

Bleh, it depends on the situation. I only swear when I'm irritated or when I hurt myself to chairs/walls/other painfully hard things, but I like English more then my own language (Dutch).

[MrAnonymous_P2P]

lol There are a few Era quests that use to have cussing in them. Not sure anymore though.

[DustyPorViva]

Okay, let's see here. First of all, you can not base a 'rating' off of what players can say. Even the ESRB will simply state while playing online games that your experience may be different than the rating given because of players. So forget about what players can do. It's all about what YOU make the server.
Saying 'cursing is bad' or 'cursing means you can't find better words' doesn't work when you're scripting an NPC. Why? Because the NPC is supposed to reflect somebody else. If you're scripting a gangster on Era, it would be absolutely fit to have them cursing. It's not unwarranted if it fits the role.
Anyways, remember, a 'rating' should be based off the actual content, not the players. I absolutely think more mature content should be allowed, just have the player confirm their age before they gain access to the server. That's ALL, don't worry about if they're lying or not, it's not your problem if they are.

[Horrified]

I personally think vulgar chat should have an optional censor naturally turned on for the young ones but able to be disabled for the older generation, but that's my opinion.

And rating is never based off of players in boards like ESRB; that's why they have the "Experience May Change during online play" or so. Still, sticking to the less gory stuff probably will work better for graal, seeing as the majority of players aren't older then Graal's lifetime.

[WanDaMan]

I'd love to log on and see NPC's having sexual intercourse and swearing at one another.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

I'd love to log on and see NPC's having sexual intercourse and swearing at one another.

And a big blood-splatter splashscreen when they finish.

It could be an intro to something.

[DustyPorViva]

You simply wouldn't be able to log on and see it, you'd have to apply some ColdTea to it first.

[King_Koopa]

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

And a big blood-splatter splashscreen when they finish.

It could be an intro to something.

intro? That would be one freaking weird intro, lol. Should be like the very last quest or 'end' of the whole plot. Anyway, I hear the word 'toasty' when you two spoke of this.

[Codein]

Or corrupt cops snorting cocaine and then brutally being taken down by their non-corrupt counter-parts. All in the while... Sabotage by Beastie Boys is playing in the background.

Now that's... an intro.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

I'd love to log on and see NPC's having sexual intercourse and swearing at one another.

I'm sure you would.

Originally Posted by Horrified

I personally think vulgar chat should have an optional censor naturally turned on for the young ones but able to be disabled for the older generation, but that's my opinion.

I agree that players should be able to choose, but I think it needs to be limited. On servers I work on, if I don't install a word filter, I'll instantly ban/jail anyone using racial slurs. Won't tolerate that. I generally say swearing is okay if you're frustrated, etc, but swearing to put others down is no.

[Codein]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

I'm sure you would.



I agree that players should be able to choose, but I think it needs to be limited. On servers I work on, if I don't install a word filter, I'll instantly ban/jail anyone using racial slurs. Won't tolerate that. I generally say swearing is okay if you're frustrated, etc, but swearing to put others down is no.

Then maybe "f*** you", "n****r" and the likes should be filtered rather than just generally all swear words.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Codein

Then maybe "f*** you", "n****r" and the likes should be filtered rather than just generally all swear words.

Which is impossible to do.

I did this once a while ago, log a players chat whenever they swore, and then if someone said 'this person insulted me with a swear', we could go to their log file, and if they did, jail them.

[Codein]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Which is impossible to do.

I did this once a while ago, log a players chat whenever they swore, and then if someone said 'this person insulted me with a swear', we could go to their log file, and if they did, jail them.

Aye. I like that idea. Might be a bit laggy though, since a lot of people swear, and that log'll get really big.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Codein

Aye. I like that idea. Might be a bit laggy though, since a lot of people swear, and that log'll get really big.

Because of log file size, I generally use custom logging, and then store things in a folder like

server/logs/swearing/ACCOUNT_swearlog.txt

[Codein]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Because of log file size, I generally use custom logging, and then store things in a folder like

server/logs/swearing/ACCOUNT_swearlog.txt

Ah, I see. Good idea.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

It's nice to see someone actually enforcing this.

*shrug* Its only one person, insignificant in the grand scheme of things. All attempts to prevent swearing will fail in the end (in general), all you have to do is go to school to be exposed to such things. Swear words are only offensive if people take offense to to them, otherwise they're A-OK in my opinion. And I can't think of anyone I know that takes offense to them. Though often I expect people to say they take offense just to get someone else in trouble. So if people say they are offended by swearing on Val I typically don't believe them.

Originally Posted by cbkbud

I generally say swearing is okay if you're frustrated, etc, but swearing to put others down is no.

At least you have some sense.

If someone told me on Val some other person was swearing at them and didn't like it, I wouldn't jail the person (yet). I'd tell the person who complained to ask the other to stop swearing at them first. If the guy didn't stop swearing then thats when Staff step in.

I hope you have a routine similar to that. I don't listen to people who go whining to staff at every offense instead of trying to solve the problem on their own.

[oinknessx]

Considering what I've seen, none of them would be E (except perhaps Atlantis) and most of them would be above M. You've got to realize that the material has to be rated including the interaction by the playing community. Whether you want to accept that or not, it's a multiplayer game, and they are a part of each other's gaming experience...

If the user's profile states that their age is 18 or older, and they click on "I agree" to enter the playerworld, then there should be no problem. As it stands, parents should know what their kids are looking at currently. I'm sure a lot of parents would expect a refund if they knew what their children were being exposed to.

[DustyPorViva]

No, ratings aren't made by interaction online. They rate the original content, and if it has online play, they put a notice that it may change with online experience. Animal Crossing gets an E, yet you can go to someone's town who has drawn pixelated sex on their designs, and they can curse at you the whole time and insult you.

[cbk1994]

In any case, a lot of parents wouldn't want their children playing Graal. I'm not really sure what was being asked here? Can I have NPCs having sex? Can they curse? Or can we let players have sex (online? o.o) or curse?

[kia345]

Other games haven't had a problem with just slapping this on

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

In any case, a lot of parents wouldn't want their children playing Graal. I'm not really sure what was being asked here? Can I have NPCs having sex? Can they curse? Or can we let players have sex (online? o.o) or curse?

The question is about allowing more mature content. Blood, gore, NPCs cursing, decapitation... just overall more mature themes. I remember I had a guillotine on old Bravo that cut off the players head and had it bouncing around with blood splattering around... PWA came on and said I had to remove it.
There's a difference between intentional content, and content introduced by an online atmosphere. Coding an NPC to curse is different than a player cursing. I'd like to see it possible to have players confirm their age and allow more mature content.

[Inverness]

I noticed some people mentioning NPCs having sex and I'll say right now that sex is above the M rating and I don't even think it should be considered in the least.

This topic is about the mature themes that aren't related to sex, such as violence, blood, gore, etc.

[napo_p2p]

Originally Posted by Inverness

I noticed some people mentioning NPCs having sex and I'll say right now that sex is above the M rating and I don't even think it should be considered in the least.

This topic is about the mature themes that aren't related to sex, such as violence, blood, gore, etc.

'Strong Sexual Content' isn't above the ESRB M rating.

[Horrified]

Listen, don't even try to reach players in a mature themed server. It wouldn't work out.

Trying to create this adult theme for a game with a completely childish look to it, completely will not work out.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by napo_p2p

'Strong Sexual Content' isn't above the ESRB M rating.

Explain the AO (Adults Only) rating then.

[napo_p2p]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Explain the AO (Adults Only) rating then.

...prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.

Doesn't matter either way. An 'M' server isn't a good idea.