New approach to trials

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by XSeipheroth

I think UN and Zodiac should be moved to gold that would be interesting.

They aren't gold type servers.

Originally Posted by theHAWKER

why should we care how much money "graal" has?

I don't think most people do, that isn't the point of the thread.

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

They aren't gold type servers.

Really what qualifies a server as gold? It has no updates and it cost more to use the slightly better graphics and the server has less noticable updates that the players will enjoy with very little bickering? What is a gold type server... is it just a dieing one?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

Really what qualifies a server as gold? It has no updates and it cost more to use the slightly better graphics and the server has less noticable updates that the players will enjoy with very little bickering? What is a gold type server... is it just a dieing one?

Pretty sure the Gold servers are ones that are to be run or overseen a great deal by Graal Administration. I could be wrong though.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

Really what qualifies a server as gold?

Being made (at least in large part) by Stefan.

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Pretty sure the Gold servers are ones that are to be run or overseen a great deal by Graal Administration. I could be wrong though.

Doesn't that just mean that they lack attention so they are killed more often? Thats my personal opinion. I mean which servers have the most quality updates more frequently? I dont' think the gold servers would be on that list if you asked players.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

Doesn't that just mean that they lack attention so they are killed more often? Thats my personal opinion. I mean which servers have the most quality updates more frequently? I dont' think the gold servers would be on that list if you asked players.

You don't need updates provided that the server can function as a self-sustaining system.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

In a big way, yes. That's why it has always been said that Graal is made by the players, for the players (should be Graal's slogan ), and that is what makes Graal unique,but there are still some things that the players, even if they are staff, cannot do.

If they go ahead and make a NEW server maybe people will have a reason to upgrade again? I never really got a chance to play much G2k1 but I remember it was good. GK when it was first released was a big "O______O OMAN CHEK OUT DESE GRAPHIX". It's 2007 now, they need some mind blowing 2D server while 3D is being developed.

Now, I pointed out that 2002-till now is what's pushing Graal forward because most of what has been done since = classic list. Guess who plays on the classic list? Mostly classic accounts. Guess what this kid was saying? Classic accounts are cancer?

[XSeipheroth]

Originally Posted by Googi

Being made (at least in large part) by Stefan.

Not true Zero's graal project is Gold. I think Gold is a standard in security, game play, ingenuity, etc.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gerami

If they go ahead and make a NEW server maybe people will have a reason to upgrade again? I never really got a chance to play much G2k1 but I remember it was good. GK when it was first released was a big "O______O OMAN CHEK OUT DESE GRAPHIX". It's 2007 now, they need some mind blowing 2D server while 3D is being developed.

If by "they", you mean the Administration, do you think it would be wise to put what they (Stefan) is doing on hold until they can make a 2D server to keep people busy until 3D is done? All that is going to do is stall the project even further.
There are plenty of servers online to check out, and keep busy on until 3D is done, not to mention making stuff for those who enjoy doing so.

I, for one, quite enjoy looking a the progress of some of the servers that are online, meaning the ones on hosted, or under-construction.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

If by "they", you mean the Administration, do you think it would be wise to put what they (Stefan) is doing on hold until they can make a 2D server to keep people busy until 3D is done? All that is going to do is stall the project even further.

3D won't finish anytime soon anyway, they could have a 2D server that blows everything away as a side project and probably have it finished in no time.

There are plenty of servers online to check out, and keep busy on until 3D is done, not to mention making stuff for those who enjoy doing so.

You know how long we've been waiting?

[Personal Jesus]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

No, they are a company that has put a lot of work into a product, and they want to make money off of the product that they have put a lot of money and effort into, to make.

ADVERTISING

They get more players = more trials = more of a chance to get money.

Jesus ****ing Christ.

[kia345]

I'm glad it seems so simple to you, advertising would probably cost money, something Graal doesn't have

[PrinceDark]

If they want more upgrades then they need to do as Gerami said and make a new server that is more interesting. The 2 they have there is not attracting everyone that plays Graal.

UN as a gold server is a load of laughs.

A server similar to Zodiac as a gold server could get more upgrades if it has better graphics and much improved gameplay.

On a side note, what happened to FairyLand(Unixmads other project)??????

As for advertising. Hey why not try myspace. It has done wonders for Tila Tequila to promote herself and good for many other unsigned music artists, comedians, and self-publishers that want to get their product out.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gerami

You know how long we've been waiting?

I know, and I know it is frustrating...maybe it is just as frustrating on the other end?

Originally Posted by Personal Jesus

ADVERTISING

They get more players = more trials = more of a chance to get money.

Jesus ****ing Christ.

No need to scream at me, I agree with you.

Originally Posted by PrinceDark

As for advertising. Hey why not try myspace.

I have mentioned this to Unixmad. Myspace seems to be around the right age range, and would be a really good idea to advertise there. I have a link to Graal, and a brief description on my page (yea, I have one because of my kids).

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I have mentioned this to Unixmad. Myspace seems to be around the right age range, and would be a really good idea to advertise there. I have a link to Graal, and a brief description on my page (yea, I have one because of my kids).

Myspace would get more 36 year old single guys and 12 year old girls than teenagers and normal people

[Leoxx]

myspace advertising is very good since people get stuck onto myspace
we do need another 2D server though..something for the players to knaw on before 3D..

-EDIT- there are alot of 12 year old guys and 36 year old girls as well, if they see it they are gonna want to play a new online game (i mean thats how i found graal). most old guys would probly be pressing the refresh key too fast to even see it anyways

[Tyhm]

You need a Gimme to make it work. "Pay $40 to play our game!" won't get the myspacers playing, but "Free to Myspace members!" will. Even if the Free isn't as good as the Subscribers, they'd have to be able to couch it as "Hey look, a Even Free-er than IMVU or Zwinky Graphical Chat Client!"

But it's gotta be better than what they're selling, 'cuz now we got people leaving as soon as they realize it's Pay to Play.

[XSeipheroth]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

You need a Gimme to make it work. "Pay $40 to play our game!" won't get the myspacers playing, but "Free to Myspace members!" will. Even if the Free isn't as good as the Subscribers, they'd have to be able to couch it as "Hey look, a Even Free-er than IMVU or Zwinky Graphical Chat Client!"

But it's gotta be better than what they're selling, 'cuz now we got people leaving as soon as they realize it's Pay to Play.

But things like imvu shuv ads up your ass why dont we do the same for our trials and give them a bit more access then?

[DustyPorViva]

Have to actually have content to advertise, first of all. Even now, people are complaining nothing on the site that they claim when you subscribe is offered. Try dealing with that after working to organize a large advertisement. There's no need to even consider advertising until they sort out the game itself first, and make sure it's worth advertising, and they can give what they offer.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I know, and I know it is frustrating...maybe it is just as frustrating on the other end?

It'd be so much easier for them to just round up good developers and make a 2D amazingly awesome server. I'm sure G2k1 was a revolution when it was released, and I know GK blew my mind away with it's 3D terrain. Time for another one.

[Spark910]

On the whole myspace thing, most of the advertising = spam. Sure, you can actually advertise on it, but no doubt it's too expensive. If you spam, its against the ToS and they can fine/sue you up to $50 for every person that its sent to.

[Tyhm]

Fair point.

I'd make the server to break the molds, but 1) I wouldn't get the support I'd need and 2) I'd get shut down for not following the rules as they stand. On my own server. -_-;

[XSeipheroth]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

Fair point.

I'd make the server to break the molds, but 1) I wouldn't get the support I'd need and 2) I'd get shut down for not following the rules as they stand. On my own server. -_-;

To be honest if I'm to purchase a server I'm going to do what ever I want with it besides some nasty photos and such. The worst that can happen is Houdini crys and you possibly get shutdown for a few days.

[Tyhm]

No, the worst that can happen is Unixmad decides it's unforgivably anti-Graal to allow free passes and deletes the server, bans the account, and refuses to refund the hosting fee. Since I've yet to hear otherwise, I'm reluctant to attempt any such thing; besides, he has a point, the last thing he needs is for someone to allow "Free" accounts to all, then open an EBay store where he sells his own server's "Premium" stuff (equipment, scripted saving, whatever)...

[MysticX2X]

Whoever said killing trials is bad, is completely ignorant.

Trials dont think they have to pay for the game since it takes like 2 hours just to get all the basic stuff a p2p has. Its time these trials are turned off. I hate them stinking up the servers. And should show them they need p2p which guest accounts was a good idea.

[zokemon]

On Maloria, trial accounts couldn't talk! ^_^

Anyways, this is why I never spilled the beans on The Graal Reform as I didn't want it to turn into a huge public debate where Graal Administration would just go "oh that thread is to huge and is just full or flaming and spam" and ignore it.

If you guys want this done, do as I am and make it happen:

Go to classic servers and provide all the levels, graphics and scripts for these trial areas. If enough classic servers conform, Stefan/Unixmad will take notice and just may move towards this idea.

Graal is a huge boulder, it is way to have to push alone. If you want to get it to roll the right direction, carve the path for it to go!

If enough people (mainly capable developers, preferably with current jobs on classic servers) are interested in joining me in my quest, I'll make a thread about it listing what kind of things should be done to accomplish our universal goal.

[coreys]

God damn, Zero, put it up already. It's not happening =/

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by coreys

God damn, Zero, put it up already. It's not happening =/

Put it up? The thread? Or did you mean "give it up"?
If the latter, I beg to differ!
My advise is only being literated from the big man him self.

[zokemon]

*sigh*

Anyways...
Let me just clear up what defines a Gold Server:

A server that is overseen by Graal Administration for content and quality control. This does not mean a gold server has to be managed by them.

[PrinceDark]

Originally Posted by Spark910

On the whole myspace thing, most of the advertising = spam. Sure, you can actually advertise on it, but no doubt it's too expensive. If you spam, its against the ToS and they can fine/sue you up to $50 for every person that its sent to.

lol. Oh well. There goes that idea. I'm starting to think twice about advertising my book on there now.

// Tyhm
You need a Gimme to make it work. "Pay $40 to play our game!" won't get the myspacers playing, but "Free to Myspace members!" will. Even if the Free isn't as good as the Subscribers, they'd have to be able to couch it as "Hey look, a Even Free-er than IMVU or Zwinky Graphical Chat Client!"

But it's gotta be better than what they're selling, 'cuz now we got people leaving as soon as they realize it's Pay to Play.

Free to myspacers????????

And you know I actually tried that IMVU chat client. What a load of crap and waste of time it was, and it lagged horribly with my DSL. Graal doesn't even lag like IMVU does for me.

[Twinny]

Well...it seems Unixmad will be busy dealing with those pathetic Antigraal fools so probably no input from them

[Inverness]

Just add in server ops to disable (by default) sendtext() and requesttext() and it will solve load of problems.

[XSeipheroth]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Just add in server ops to disable (by default) sendtext() and requesttext() and it will solve load of problems.

How will this resolve a thing as I said I got instantly hired to almost every dev PW by not even showing work and got a full nc. It seems if they get control of any server they can take down graal so this will just add one more step which is just removing a server option.