Economy Saver - Diamonds into Event Coins

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gerami

GK's economy sucked ever since Plats were replaced with diamonds.

Nostalgia alert. How about explaining just how this made the economy "suck"?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Googi

Nostalgia alert. How about explaining just how this made the economy "suck"?

I'm pretty sure Stefan wanted plats/gold/silver coins (or whatever GK uses) to be the currency...not diamonds or EC's or whatever people are using these days.

Do you realize how quickly that happened?

Yeah.

Do you realize how quickly that happened? It's not like it could've been prevented since diamonds are used to prep.

meeeeee

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm pretty sure Stefan wanted plats/gold/silver coins (or whatever GK uses) to be the currency...not diamonds or EC's or whatever people are using these days.

That's not an explanation.

[cyan3]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm pretty sure Stefan wanted plats/gold/silver coins (or whatever GK uses) to be the currency...not diamonds or EC's or whatever people are using these days.

The reason plat is not used is that it's weight gets really heavy when you have lots of it on you if you don't have a high strength stat. So that fact that diamonds are used is a good thing.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Gerami

GK's economy sucked ever since Plats were replaced with diamonds.

Do you realize how quickly that happened? It's not like it could've been prevented since diamonds are used to prep.

[Gothika]

And now, Diamonds are being replaced with RoWs and items of simular value.
No one likes diamonds these days. Only thing there good for is preping weapons.

[Ravenblade1979]

I actually agree with googi

[Gothika]

Why would Stefan care what's used as currency?
If you think about it. Back in medevil times. They used Jewels for currency aswell as gold coins.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Cyan3

The reason plat is not used is that it's weight gets really heavy when you have lots of it on you if you don't have a high strength stat. So that fact that diamonds are used is a good thing.

It's more than just that. See below.

Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm pretty sure Stefan wanted plats/gold/silver coins (or whatever GK uses) to be the currency...not diamonds or EC's or whatever people are using these days.

Platinum coins can be gotten from selling almost anything, while diamonds can only be gotten from monsters or haunted houses, as well as events. Diamonds are to Platinum Coins as Gold Bullion is to the American Dollar - a limited monetary unit. Diamonds dissapear much faster than plat does, and they are less plentiful. This makes them a good unit of money because people are more frugal with how much of them they spend, and they are sought after for many purposes.

Also, don't make the argument that platinum is useless because of the diamonds, because 70% of the game's items come from platinum coin expenditure.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Googi

That's not an explanation.

You asked me how that made the economy suck, and I basically told you the economy went as not planned. I mean its like putting rupees on a server but revolving everything around event coins or something.

To you it may not suck but to me it does.

Originally Posted by cyan3

The reason plat is not used is that it's weight gets really heavy when you have lots of it on you if you don't have a high strength stat. So that fact that diamonds are used is a good thing.

Originally Posted by Gothika

Why would Stefan care what's used as currency?
If you think about it. Back in medevil times. They used Jewels for currency aswell as gold coins.

Because he intended for plat/gold/whatever to be used as currency, not diamonds? Jewels as currency? Awesome. But just Diamonds? No.

Originally Posted by Draenin

Platinum coins can be gotten from selling almost anything, while diamonds can only be gotten from monsters or haunted houses, as well as events. Diamonds are to Platinum Coins as Gold Bullion is to the American Dollar - a limited monetary unit. Diamonds dissapear much faster than plat does, and they are less plentiful. This makes them a good unit of money because people are more frugal with how much of them they spend, and they are sought after for many purposes.

That kind of kills the point of having a given currency though.

Also, don't make the argument that platinum is useless because of the diamonds, because 70% of the game's items come from platinum coin expenditure.

You mean items that are simply in the game or items people actually use?

[Gothika]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Because he intended for plat/gold/whatever to be used as currency, not diamonds? Jewels as currency? Awesome. But just Diamonds?

With the new craze in DoV and DoPV, people will often buy things in rubies and sapphires. You'd need a lot of rubies. But I see it happen.
So 1000 rubies is 100 diamonds. I've sold a HSoD+12 for 1000 rubies.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gerami

You asked me how that made the economy suck, and I basically told you the economy went as not planned. I mean its like putting rupees on a server but revolving everything around event coins or something.

To you it may not suck but to me it does.

"It was unplanned" is not the same as "it sucks". Finding ten dollars on the ground might be unplanned, but it hardly sucks. You seem to keep insisting that diamonds acting as a currency is somehow "wrong" or "improper" without saying how it actually qualitatively affects the economy or the game in a negative way.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Googi

You seem to keep insisting that diamonds acting as a currency is somehow "wrong" or "improper" without saying how it actually qualitatively affects the economy or the game in a negative way.

Do you even know how hard it is for a n00blet to find diamonds? Let alone houndreds of them? It's not like you can trade in your plats for diamonds in some random building. I don't know about the other 30 remaining players but for me the diamonds just killed it. I didn't feel like playing anymore once no one cared about plats. I just found it retarded not to use the global currency instead of something thats damn hard to find.

Diamonds have not replaced the currency, since the currency of coins is still used and (like diamonds) still expendible. They have been integrated into Kingdoms' economy by players and not by admins as an alternative higher form of currency.

Dude, no player will accept plat when selling things from what I've seen.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Do you even know how hard it is for a n00blet to find diamonds? Let alone houndreds of them?

Not very hard, seeing as they do it all the time. In fact, newbies tend to be the ones selling their diamonds for plat since they're the only ones who really need to buy a lot of stuff from stores.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Gerami

That kind of kills the point of having a given currency though.

Ask yourself this: Does having a 100 dollar bill kill the point of having 1 dollar bills?

Originally Posted by Gerami

You mean items that are simply in the game or items people actually use?

Items people actually use. (Wands, Spell Scrolls, Spell Books, Skill Scrolls, Flowers, Clothes, Alchemy Items, Rings, Amulets, and so on.) Other items account for a very small portion. Rare event items account for about 5%, even though everybody seems to have them, and crafted items account for about another 10%. The rest would be naturally-aquired items like maps, jewels, parts, etc.


Keep in mind that I'm not referring to the quantity of each thing are out there, because that's impossible to get a good number on. I'm actually referring to how many Mudlib archetypes are in each category of item and where they originate from. There are more rings out there than there are tools because of how they are generated, and they can only be bought from their origin with platinum coins. Same thing for wands, amulets, and so on.

[sage_scooby]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Ask yourself this: Does having a 100 dollar bill kill the point of having 1 dollar bills?

A really bad analogy. The problem with diamonds as the larger "bill" is that platinum isnt held in the same value.

100 dollar bills = a 100 dollar bill
500 platinum != 1 diamond

I'm not saying I dislike diamonds as a currency. It really doesnt matter that much to me. Especially seeing as I'm done prepping my main weapons. Heck that makes it a plus as dias are useless to me except as currency. I only posted because this is a bad way to make your point.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Ask yourself this: Does having a 100 dollar bill kill the point of having 1 dollar bills?

How is this relevant to GK's proper currency (plat,gold,silver?) replaced by a mined mineral?

items and keep in mind stuff

I can't really argue from here as I don't really know GK enough to make any points. Last I checked all the good items that are actually useful are from events and USD.

Also note what I was originally saying, in my opinion GK was fun at the beginning and I use the transition to diamonds as currency to basically just mark the "SUCKS FROM NOW ON" chronology of the server.

[jonnyrocks2]

I wonder whats next after RoWs and such.

[Draenin]

Event items are often payed for in RoWs, are they not? Even RoWs have been used as currency. You can use a lot of things as currency if there's a demand for them.

[Ravenblade1979]

Yeah I have seen a upswing of rubies being bought. not so much sapphires.

But yeah in any store you goto (NPC and player alike) takes plat to buy so it still is a big part of the game. Dias is pretty much only good as a event prize, prepping and sometimes to trade for things.

[Draenin]

I don't see why diamonds are viewed as some sort of epidemic. Without them, the prices on things would seem astronomical. Want to pay 20,000 for a gold key? How about 500,000 for dual Rings of War? Imagine the numbers for rarer things from several years ago.

[Ravenblade1979]

Its harder to get diamonds unless you want to spend hours in west haunted house.

[Draenin]

Which is great, because they can be set at a higher value than plat and used as currency. You have a value of 500 platinum coins confined into a single item that can then be accumulated to purchase other large-value singular items like Armor, Weapons, Accessories, and so on.

[Ravenblade1979]

Diamonds make it easier so you don't have to carry 400 kg's of plat around

[Draenin]

Look at these two statements side-by-side and tell me if you find something awfully strange about them both:

Originally Posted by sage_scooby

A really bad analogy. The problem with diamonds as the larger "bill" is that platinum isnt held in the same value.

Originally Posted by sage_scooby

Heck that makes it a plus as dias are useless to me except as currency.

Last time I remember, platinum is currency, and you view diamonds as currency too. So tell me, how are platinum coins not held in the same value as one another?


Something you are overlooking is the fact that what might be useful to someone else could be garbage to other people.

Originally Posted by Gerami

How is this relevant to GK's proper currency (plat,gold,silver?) replaced by a mined mineral?

Diamonds have not replaced the currency, since the currency of coins is still used and (like diamonds) still expendible. They have been integrated into Kingdoms' economy by players and not by admins as an alternative higher form of currency.

[sage_scooby]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Look at these two statements side-by-side and tell me if you find something awfully strange about them both:

Last time I remember, platinum is currency, and you view diamonds as currency too. So tell me, how are platinum coins not held in the same value as one another?


Something you are overlooking is the fact that what might be useful to someone else could be garbage to other people.


Diamonds have not replaced the currency, since the currency of coins is still used and (like diamonds) still expendible. They have been integrated into Kingdoms' economy by players and not by admins as an alternative higher form of currency.

All I am saying is 9 times out of 10 if you offered someone 500 diamonds they'd accept.

The 1 of 10 would maybe accept the current platinum equivalent.

Diamonds are more desired, of course I'll use it as currency. The point still stands though, that diamonds and platinum do not have the same desireability. So in essence they don't have the same value.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by sage_scooby

Diamonds are more desired, of course I'll use it as currency. The point still stands though, that diamonds and platinum do not have the same desireability. So in essence they don't have the same value.

Thats putting the final nail in the coffin if i ever seen it.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Dude, no player will accept plat when selling things from what I've seen.

That's because paying for something like a Forest Shield with platinum coins is like paying for a car with bags of quarters. Plat is mainly accepted for smaller-valued things.

Originally Posted by Gerami

It's not like you can trade in your plats for diamonds in some random building.

Hahahaha. Are you kidding? Do you know how many people have traded away small quantities of diamonds because they need quick cash?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Draenin

That's because paying for something like a Forest Shield with platinum coins is like paying for a car with bags of quarters. Plat is mainly accepted for smaller-valued things.

If you say so.

Hahahaha. Are you kidding? Do you know how many people have traded away small quantities of diamonds because they need quick cash?

Never seen it before.

Gerami quit while your ahead. We play this server everyday so we know what we are talking about.

If you say so, but I still think GK has sucked since around the time people started using diamonds as currency, even if it isn't directly the cause of GK sucking.

[Ravenblade1979]

Gerami quit while your ahead. We play this server everyday so we know what we are talking about.

[hampy]

diamonds are a good currency

[hampy]

yeah its easy for noobs to get diamonds, easier than plat

[Ravenblade1979]

Gerami ur funny. Plat is still a currency but people find diamonds easier for multiple reasons. A big one would be speed. Its easier to hold 100 diamonds then 500k plat. I have 3.433 speed and i make 28k and i am suddenly down to 1.5 speed. If I had 28k plat in dias and i might go down to 3.3 speed.

You starting to see why dias are more preferred. Another is its easier to buy things in dias. You don't want to pay 500k for a pmop +12...you want to pay 100 dias.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Gerami ur funny. Plat is still a currency but people find diamonds easier for multiple reasons. A big one would be speed. Its easier to hold 100 diamonds then 500k plat. I have 3.433 speed and i make 28k and i am suddenly down to 1.5 speed. If I had 28k plat in dias and i might go down to 3.3 speed.

You starting to see why dias are more preferred. Another is its easier to buy things in dias. You don't want to pay 500k for a pmop +12...you want to pay 100 dias.

Ok ok I get your point, but I still enjoyed GK back then...and even if diamonds aren't even related to the GK-sucking, I still use the transition to mark my own time ok?

[Draenin]

Weapon-prepping, armor enchantments, and level bugs are a bigger influence on GK suckage.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Weapon-prepping

Isn't this related to diamonds being so valueable to begin with?

[Draenin]

Yup. It's also the reason why the battle system is so ridiculous at higher levels.

[Ravenblade1979]

Lol i know.