UN Management.

[Devil]

Originally Posted by zell12

Shut it down and ban everyone that plays/works there? The PWA have been instructed by the management a while ago not to interfere much there because of the high player count, yet they constantly break the code of conduct.

That's stupid.. regardless of their playercount, they should still follow the rules as every other stupid playerworld does.

[zell12]

Originally Posted by Devil

That's stupid.. regardless of their playercount, they should still follow the rules as every other stupid playerworld does.

Heh, thats what we said to the management, but they would rather keep the players. I'm sure they would populate similar servers like Delteria tho...

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Devil

That's stupid.. regardless of their playercount, they should still follow the rules as every other stupid playerworld does.

I agree, and I am actually quite angry about this. No one should be above the rules for any reason.

BTW, I allowed this thread because it was not bashing UN.

[Kirble]

^ Exactly what I was going to say before I read your post Darlene.

I only posted it to show my opinion and get other opinions in a non...how can I put it...threatening (for lack of a better word) way.

I just put forward my opinions and I must admit, there have been some good posts like that of MysticX2X, yes, UN does have various, well scripted NPC's which are inventive and such etc etc.

I was mainly talking about the staff situations. It seems that there are "extras" being thrown in and around the place.

For example, a Developer staff section being made when there are already a lack of GAT's, Scripters and level makers (level makers not so much though).

Then there are the developers, firstly there is Elk. He's a great guy, extremely good at what he does but couldn't he have simply been re-hired into the GAT section?

Same with SKrobo, he was a GAT, quit and came back as a scripter, hence he was then in the developer section. (Then was moved up to Dev. Admin)

Hoyt, not very active but a very good scripter, why is he a developer and not in the scripter section?

It simply puzzles me :S

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I agree, and I am actually quite angry about this. No one should be above the rules for any reason.

If you are making money for the company you simply get more leeway, thats buisness 101. You let the ones bringing you profit do as they want, with certain limits.

Reflect that onto real life, and presidents/mayors giving big buisnesses tax breaks to continue bringing in money for States. Its not fair to the little buisness, but its life.

Originally Posted by Kirble

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Developer is for people who can do many multitalented things.

Its basically for people who can do more things, and need the legitimacy of a real position to get more rights so people wont complain about it.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Developer is for people who can do many multitalented things.

Its basically for people who can do more things, and need the legitimacy of a real position to get more rights so people wont complain about it.

Typical Graalian fallacy.
A developer is simply someone (at least on Graal) who leads his/her own projects and have a larger range of rights and staff to use to their avail.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Typical Graalian fallacy.
A developer is simply someone (at least on Graal) who leads his/her own projects and have a larger range of rights and staff to use to their avail.

How is what you said any different from what I said with the exception of you trying to jump all over my **** and look hot on a public forum?

A Graalian Developer can lead their own projects just like a NAT or LAT or GFX can, Developers are Multitalented individuals with more then one specality and rights to compensate for that, who still answer to the same people NAT LAT and GFX do, including a chosen "Developer Admin".

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

How is what you said any different from what I said with the exception of you trying to jump all over my **** and look hot on a public forum?

There is no way I am trying to "look hot on a public forum". Do you honestly think people browse these forums and go "oh my, that guy is so cool how he put that other guy down, I want to be just like him!" No. That does not happen.

Originally Posted by Andy0687

A Graalian Developer can lead their own projects just like a NAT or LAT or GFX can, Developers are Multi-talented individuals with more then one specialty and rights to compensate for that, who still answer to the same people NAT LAT and GFX do, including a chosen "Developer Admin".

A "NAT", "LAT", or "GFX" can not actually (in theory) lead a project since they are hired strictly for doing other people's projects. Why do you think developers are often more respected then your run of the mill scripter, tiler or graphic artist? In fact, scripters with almost no talent in tiling or graphics usually become developers simply because they usually have the most devotion to a server compared to others (not saying all scripters that become developers have no other skills though).

Not trying to pick you out personally, dude; just trying to break all these typical Graal fallacies that exist.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Do you honestly think people browse these forums and go "oh my, that guy is so cool how he put that other guy down, I want to be just like him!" No. That does not happen.

Yes it does.

[Inspiration]

Originally Posted by zokemon

There is no way I am trying to "look hot on a public forum". Do you honestly think people browse these forums and go "oh my, that guy is so cool how he put that other guy down, I want to be just like him!" No. That does not happen.

It probably doesnt happen exactly like that, but for whatever reason most posters have other posters they look up to for whatever reason.

Sometimes the reason is because someone constantly puts others down and acts cool.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by zokemon

A "NAT", "LAT", or "GFX" can not actually (in theory) lead a project since they are hired strictly for doing other people's projects.

So is a multitalented developer, i dont understand your point yet.

Why do you think developers are often more respected then your run of the mill scripter, tiler or graphic artist?

To me they arent, they are all equal. Thats what makes a staff team a good staff team is not putting one person above another just because of a silly title.

just trying to break all these typical Graal fallacies that exist.

I just dont know who you are to try to tell everyone else what a graalian developer is when its very obvious that most people would say something similar to what I have said?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by zokemon

A "NAT", "LAT", or "GFX" can not actually (in theory) lead a project since they are hired strictly for doing other people's projects. Why do you think developers are often more respected then your run of the mill scripter, tiler or graphic artist? In fact, scripters with almost no talent in tiling or graphics usually become developers simply because they usually have the most devotion to a server compared to others (not saying all scripters that become developers have no other skills though).

Not trying to pick you out personally, dude; just trying to break all these typical Graal fallacies that exist.

No, you are incorrect. Developer is a broad umbrella term that encompasses anybody who develops (such as gfx, levels, scripts, sounds, music, animations, etc). Regarding the subject of members of a development staff having projects, this has always varied from server to server and from playerworld to playerworld. I would say over the years I've gained a fair bit of experience in developing for different playerworlds and not once have I ever seen the use of the term "Developer" as you're using it.

The history of "Developer" is that back in the day on Main Server (or Classic or whatever it's called these days) used to have the LAT (Levels Administrative Team) which was charged with the duty of administrating levels (obviously). Levels were considered a sum of all the tiling, scripts, graphics, and any other material within a level file. For whatever reason, other servers started designating LAT to mean solely tilers, and level work as solely tiling. This caught on and somehow it became the de facto standard for servers. As servers and later playerworlds went on, I guess some people started to realize the best way to run a server is to have all the people developing the stuff to be on a single team (because generally if you could do one thing, you can do the others), which is how the Main server originally ran (all under the umbrella term of LAT). Because these playerworlds didn't misunderstood what a level was, they couldn't use LAT as a term, so they came up with the term "Developers". It's all really been a cycle. A Developer is really a member of a LAT and a member of a LAT is really a developer (with a very narrow responsibility - tiling).