true question

[konidias]

Again, you guys have two choices:

1. live with the rules
2. leave

If enough people left, then maybe they would change the way things are run here. Maybe they wouldn't. Even still, you're not going to get to stay here PLUS have the rules changed the way you want them. Just accept that already. This has been run into the ground.

[zell12]

Originally Posted by konidias

Again, you guys have two choices:

1. live with the rules
2. leave

If enough people left, then maybe they would change the way things are run here. Maybe they wouldn't. Even still, you're not going to get to stay here PLUS have the rules changed the way you want them. Just accept that already. This has been run into the ground.

Option 3: Organize everyone to submit tickets and send emails to Unixmad and Stefan, since we cannot discuss it here. Stop being ignorant of the issue.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by zell12

Option 3: Organize everyone to submit tickets and send emails to Unixmad and Stefan, since we cannot discuss it here. Stop being ignorant of the issue.

He's making a fair point Excal. What he's saying is things won't change - and if they ever do change it will only be out of necessity - which will never happen unless the forums = deserted. Which will also never happen.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Stephen

He's making a fair point Excal. What he's saying is things won't change - and if they ever do change it will only be out of necessity - which will never happen unless the forums = deserted. Which will also never happen.

In all honesty nothing like that would matter.

Because Unixmad and Stefan and Moon Goddess and Sam and everyone else has made it very obvious that they will just ban most anyone who had a voice that speaks against them or in a tone they dont want to hear.

So in theory, even if the forums were deserted, and there were maybe 2-3 new posts a week (or per day even), it would only further to make the administration happy.

Also Moon Goddess I am picking you out personally now, PLEASE stop hiding behind Stefan and Unixmad when you talk to us. Im tired of your only responses being robotic zealot forum admin responses, nothing ever gets done that way. Take a note from Stefan, he is at least TRYING

[konidias]

Originally Posted by zell12

Option 3: Organize everyone to submit tickets and send emails to Unixmad and Stefan, since we cannot discuss it here. Stop being ignorant of the issue.

That's already been suggested by the forum staff. People don't agree with how it's being done. Forum staff think it's fine. They've got the final word. End of discussion.

There's no need to tell me I'm ignorant.

[zell12]

Originally Posted by konidias

That's already been suggested by the forum staff. People don't agree with how it's being done. Forum staff think it's fine. They've got the final word. End of discussion.

There's no need to tell me I'm ignorant.

People don't agree with it because they are afraid of wasting their time. Who listens to one person, with no one to back them up? I'm positive that if enough people bring valid points to the administrators, change will in fact happen.

[James205]

Apparently my example just wasn't good enough.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by zell12

People don't agree with it because they are afraid of wasting their time. Who listens to one person, with no one to back them up? I'm positive that if enough people bring valid points to the administrators, change will in fact happen.

That's the thing. Dozens of people have tried. Many threads have been made (and closed) regarding issues with these forums.

They are making it clear that no matter how many people rally against the rules/mods, nothing is going to change. I think you're being naive.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by konidias

That's the thing. Dozens of people have tried. Many threads have been made (and closed) regarding issues with these forums.

They are making it clear that no matter how many people rally against the rules/mods, nothing is going to change. I think you're being naive.

Actually back in 2004 there was just so much that Spark ended up making a thread where we discuss such things in a more organized manner. I think progress was made there too.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Actually back in 2004 there was just so much that Spark ended up making a thread where we discuss such things in a more organized manner. I think progress was made there too.

Yes, that progress is so obvious... *sarcasm*

[zell12]

Originally Posted by konidias

That's the thing. Dozens of people have tried. Many threads have been made (and closed) regarding issues with these forums.

Are you Unixmad/Stefans secretary or something? How would you know so many people tried emailing him regarding these issues?

Do you even have access to the Support Center to read tickets? Tell me how you know this.

They are making it clear that no matter how many people rally against the rules/mods, nothing is going to change. I think you're being naive.

They never said that. They said to to make a support ticket. My god, read stuff.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by zell12

Are you Unixmad/Stefans secretary or something? How would you know so many people tried emailing him regarding these issues?

Do you even have access to the Support Center to read tickets? Tell me how you know this.

No. But anyone who browses these forums could have noticed the multitude of complaint threads which have been closed over the years.

Actually, I might have access to read support center tickets... I did pretty much run the whole thing at one point in time.

They never said that. They said to to make a support ticket. My god, read stuff.

I read plenty of things. Put two and two together.

- People complain on forums, threads get closed and staff say "use support center"
- People complain about support center tickets not getting answered, those threads also get closed.

Hmmm, I think logic would lead us to the conclusion that nothing is being done or will be done, to change the rules to your liking.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by zell12

would you know so many people tried emailing him regarding these issues?

In the last two month I received one forum PM about Sam being too strict on the forums. I am not using e-mails so that's zero, in the game people contacted me about scripting problems, restores on Kingdoms and becoming global admin but that's it.