hey can we do this?

[myth-simba]

Can we have a REAL war mode?

Where when kingdoms are in enemy status
the castle becomes seigeable?

i think its really retarded how you spend all your time battling through enemy lands just to stand outside their walls waiting for them to come out.

Cmon people! war is not war if your battling pointlessly,

There should be objectives, such as destroyable towers which members can use to warn off enemies and so on,

And other various good control point places.

Seige weaponry craftable,

mount your horse and become a mounted archer or knight.

Have armour for your horse which gives your horse a cool old medevil look.

with minor tweeks, such as a pirate horse armour, dustari and so on, little logos on em and such,

Also, some sort of seige weaponry which is controlled by 1 person and can hurt any person fairly well, allowing all to take part in wars.

We've won every way we've came across,
not saying they easy but they repeatitive,

We need something new, an actual point, a gain from wars, and a loss from it too.

We need a bigger reason to go OH NOES, a war! oh noes my friends will get hurt now, and maybe i'll lose a few fortifcations around my house... Wars should have more to lose in defeat, and more to gain, and a systgem that allows everyone to get involved.

And if you can't think of a way.. i'm seriously going to laugh my head off.

[MasterNuke]

Could you spend more time putting your sudgestions into further detail? You sudgest a hell of a lot of ideas but you don't really give full details or examples.

Like the towers... Where are you going to place each tower if you have to balance tower arrangement for each kingdom island? How many towers per kingdom? How much punishment can it take? How would you manage what goes in/on the tower? Can people attack from the top of the tower and gain bonuses with ranged weapons?
And the most important question... Is this viable with the current Graal Kingdoms population?

[Googi]

Zeppelins.

[myth-simba]

when i go into great detail people complain its too long and don't bother to read it.

its a simple idea, it doesn't need great detail really.

you got cannons in towers, fire em at players / ships.

castle doors have Hp. maybe about 3000?

war defeat would be loss in kingdom treasure?

victory in war would be money from enemy treasures and also enemys killed and enemys sunk.


kindom treasure can be used to purchase kingdom seige weaponry?
and allie npcs. such as npc battle ships, npc soldiers, a massive npc frigate which costs a lot can also be used, it rages hell on the waves.

Players donate to help their kingdom out?

the npcs will defend the island.

In order to win / lose a war, the throne must be destroyed, it has hp too, it would encourage the governor / king / queen to remain in his quarters and have a final battle, a battle for the survival of his people so to speak. if the enemies make it that far into the throne room.

And if your outnumbered by powerful players, its good to purchase npc knights and royal guards to protect your quarters, only certain npcs spaw in certain areas, such as royal guards only appear inside throne room and inside castle, knights and soldiers outside castle and at doorways, ships at sea, footmen, mages, archers, at castle walls, and around the home island.

Npc ships also invade islands too by sailing there and attacking enemy flag coloured ships, so strict rules must be enforced to sail in your kingdom colors.




hows that for detail?

[Zeltino]

Using too many NPCs would make kingdoms lame, because then there would be no point to recruiting. We'd need to make a limit on what you can have total, knight/boat/castle guard wise.

And maybe you could be able to repair the castle doors during wars with boards or something, so that you have to work hard to break it, not just have a wave of people attack only the door or whatnot.

[lordbosh]

oh man i had this suggestion so long ago DO IT NOW please seriously now, i want something like this done, for the name of all that is holy please do THIS and get it into project format and MOVE NOW NOW NOW DO IT

do it, everyone is quitting, please bring people back. pleeassee i beg of you of the first time i finally beg, do it for all of us old players who have to get on our god damn knees and plead to you.

[4jordan4]

Bosh is right , the only way to bring people back to GK is to update GK . We havent had many updates since GK started so people quit because it was the same as it always has been . We need more updates to bring people back.

[theunknown]

I have been here for 3 years and someone FINALLY HAS A GOOD IDEA! Get to work on this now or you can just watch your player count drop to Zodiac. xD

[Mirkwyn]

Shoot,thats actually a good idea.I mean,also the fact that some kingdoms are just so inactive that there would be no way to fight back,and the fact thats,some kingdoms are full of people with high lvl physical and would have no trouble seiging a castle,but still,"I guess"it would be interesting.and yeah PEOPLE ARE QUITTING...seriously,half of the small population was gone already,due to lame updates,and just plain ugly items that took no time to make.Then...Zodiac was made...lost even half of that smaller population...to a freaking classic server...ARE YOU TRYING TO LET GRAAL KINGDOMS DIE?Your actually making money off this server...I WANNA SEE SOME NEW CRAP AND UPDATES FULL OF BUG FIXES....and look at all the prayers and spells and relics that DONT WORK....how hard would it be to fix the speed cap on Leuc chainmail...or lower the stats on Ogma bracers and FIX THEM...or fix brigids prayers....or Fix Black death for Bilers...CMON...BEFORE THE SERVER DIES COMPLETLY...All these people on Debug lately...and NO BUGS ARE BEING FIXED....anyway...gg....I hope to see and improvement...

[Luigi203]

This is all good. Too bad it'll never happen.

[lordbosh]

Yes, if anyone knows a friend, even one friend to post. Tell them about this. Spread the word. We will stand with one voice for at least one idea to push it through the ceiling and nobody will ignore us.

Tell your friends, link this to everyone you have ever known from GK. Any old friends. One spark can lead to a raging inferno of sucess.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...81#post1216581

[Luigi203]

Originally Posted by 4jordan4

Maybe even have a reset for everyone to start off again and make the server more equal for newer gold members as well .

Of course. Reset those who worked HARD for thiers, because the new members have less than them. Genius

[Mirkwyn]

Another thing I DONT GET....Why Let half the population Abuse a bug for a good month,THENNNNNNNN FIX IT.....WHY NOT JUST NIP THE PROBLEM IN THE BUD....now you got half the server with 60-107 PHysical..and the other half are WEAK...due to BUGS...Why fix the bug...AFTER ITS BEEN ABUSED TO DEATH...TO LATE NOW...CMON!!!!

[Zeltino]

We don't necessarily need a reset. We need updates with good ideas. Like this one.

Only problem is, no staff work on these good ideas. They sit and rot on the forums because no action is taken/ can be taken with the lack of rights staff have on GK.

[lordbosh]

If we can all talk this up it MUST happen.

[Luigi203]

Originally Posted by Mirkwyn

Another thing I DONT GET....Why Let half the population Abuse a bug for a good month,THENNNNNNNN FIX IT.....WHY NOT JUST NIP THE PROBLEM IN THE BUD....now you got half the server with 60-107 PHysical..and the other half are WEAK...due to BUGS...Why fix the bug...AFTER ITS BEEN ABUSED TO DEATH...TO LATE NOW...CMON!!!!

So he who shall not be named can get thier skills nice and high, then kill all chances of anyone else doing the same.

[4jordan4]

Lets start a poll on the Graal Kingdoms forums then. If we get enough people to vote and post there opinion on that page it will probly work

[Luigi203]

Originally Posted by 4jordan4

Lets start a poll on the Graal Kingdoms forums then. If we get enough people to vote and post there opinion on that page it will probly work

Don't even get yourself excited. Countless times ideas were posted on these forums. Good ideas. Nothing ever really gets done.

[4jordan4]

Well maybe it's time Stefan gets a new Manager on GK.

[Craigus]

This is of course a great idea but even if implemented it is to little to late, there is simply not enough population on this server to even test it fully, although, i do love the idea of purchasing nps's and improved boats with kingdom treasure.

[Zeltino]

What would making max levels 150 do?

[npcserverRC]

>.> well since Jay cant post for me I'll re-state my idea, make the max level 150 instead of 110, to make it more evenly matched(so that those who wish to earn their levels may become stronger than those who glitched theirs) or, reset(lower) the levels of those whom glitched their levels, Also make it so only seige weapons, battering rams or cannons, can break walls or towers, to make it more challenging but still fun

[Obs311]

And when was the last time they changed something? Think...

[lordbosh]

Well I really just want people to overall say DO IT, because its a start. We just need to all rally our support for one thing. I say we do it for this, because its called Graal Kingdoms. Even if you dont like some of the ideas, maybe just doing one thing like this will actually be FUN, who knows? I say do it before we all leave. I am on the verge.

[Obs311]

Your not the only one, Bosh X_x

[npcserverRC]

Agreed, we must do something to bring GK back to life before its too late

[csod123]

i really would like a reason to return to kingdoms, i only go by the forums every now and then to check out whats going on. i really only ever play zone or zodiac anymore, but this could be something i would like to come back too. although i have supported war mode in the past i have never seen it done, and there will never be a reset, that will just be annoying.

[Tempist_p2p]

chris why do you have to type so much, i didnt even bother reading it because there was so much

[Zeltino]

I agree with Bosh. There's only so much we can do in kingdom wars as it is now, and I think we've started to repeat battles because there is nothing else to do. GK is dying fast and nothing is being done. We just need something. I think this would definately bump up playercount and bring back some old players. DO IT.

[4jordan4]

Ok well obviously now Bjorn or one of the staff needs to see this forums and hopefully agree with it.

[lordbosh]

Why do staff have to agree, we're the players. BTW staff almost all your players you have left have posted :X

[bgumeny]

I like the plan, and I agree with everyone that a nice war system that gets everyone involved would definetly be very beneficial. Not only would it mean fresh content, but it would allow newer players to feel more of a sense of belonging, and might keep them from getting discouraged and leaving.

Some ideas I have that sort of build upon what myth-simba said are:

Very high strength for walls/castles/fortifications, but an equally high attack bonus for siege weapons vs. buildings. This would add a sense of realism, as nearly all texts on warfare (From Medieval periods and farther back) admonish openly sieging an opponents fortifications unless completely prepared and absolutely necessary. However, if a nation tried to lock itself up inside their city or castle they would run out of resources, eventually forcing them out to fight.

More emphasis on strategy and tactics, rather than purely stats and running up and slashing each other. Perhaps give certain bonuses to players who manage to hold in a formation, while taking away from the attack power of players who scatter or are a certain distance away from a commanding officer.

Certain bonuses can be applied to attacking armies who can keep "supply lines" intact, allowing opponents to set up blockades or ambushes, thus adding another dimension to battles.

Perhaps add a stat for commanders, something like "Tactics" or "Strategy", or just use their Wisdom stats. The higher their skill is with this stat, the better their underlings perform.


Just some thoughts, someone mentioned how viable they are with the current GK playerbase. Perhaps if they released it to all players for a few days to let them get a taste, or put together a nice ad campaign to get the word out, it could revive the playerbase.

Bleh, just some thoughts.

[Lylic]

First of all, if the max level was increased to 150, you would encounter armor class problems because then all armor would be able to be enchanted to +16, which would raise the wc required to break ac, meaning that one would need to level more in physique than ever before. Second, there are people (myself included) who have achieved level 107 mental as well as obtaining some 90 million other experience. Bascially meaning that some people would already be level 150 or at least close.

Second, I agree that THIS kingdom update MUST be at least considered if not implemented. I remember a year ago when I upgraded my gold time, and Graal Kingdoms is nothing like what is was then. I have never seen the playerbase so low at peak hours. I have never seen this many events and this many updates (even when there are 4 or 5 staff members on). There are a handful of Events Masters who consistently hold events, and I thank you for what you continuously bring to the game. It's true that doing more events isn't going to save graal kingdoms. Many other things will factor into the sucess of Kingdoms. This battle update could be and would be just the thing that Graal Kingdoms needs to get back on top. I am not only advocating this update, but I will give my services to staff in any way possible in helping to implement this idea.

I hope to soon hear the winds of change...

[Luigi203]

Originally Posted by npcserverRC

Agreed, we must do something to bring GK back to life before its too late

What can WE do, if Bjorn, the manager can't do anything? Hey, maybe you can harrass the piss out of Stefan. Thats about it.

Originally Posted by Lylic

I hope to soon hear the winds of change...

Too bad.

[Lylic]

Originally Posted by Luigi203

Too bad.

You're cynical nature brings nothing but a smile to my face my little maglet

[Mirkwyn]

yeah I hope there are some winds of change coming soon...I honestly think this whole suggestions thread,is to make us think we actually have and option to get things implemented or changed...but it never happens...so we`ll see....

[MasterNuke]

Someone make a big wall of text that goes into good detail. Preferably in good formatting and maybe even some numbers. All the player approvals are nice... but if they're going to make it, they're going to do it all wrong if no one puts out a detailed description of the sudgestion.

[protozero]

I'm really sick of the few years I've played this server constantly. That the only realy update was to the magic system. I'm all for the idea to go through!

We really need somethign new to keep us around!

[myth-simba]

Yeah, we would need to tell the staff members exactly how it needs to be done.

of course this project would take a lot of time.
But i'm sure if they let us, us players would help.

And if we all controbuted something, part of scripts, graphics, sounds
and stuff it shouldn't take more than a few months.

[Luigi203]

Originally Posted by Lylic

You're cynical nature brings nothing but a smile to my face my little maglet

Its better than wasted optimism. Am I the only one that really sees that nothing really useful will be done to GK? Stefan is just too busy scripting us Pool, and Chess.