Banning religious people

[Yen]

Am I allowed to ban religious people from my server?

[Rufus]

Sadly, I doubt it.

[JustBreathe]

Originally Posted by Yen

Am I allowed to ban religious people from my server?

If your server is private or under construction, it is your right to ban whoever you desire. Servers that are on Hosted, Classic, and Gold tabs aren't allowed banning people for reasons beyond those that specifically violate the Game's Code of Conduct.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by JustBreathe

If your server is private or under construction, it is your right to ban whoever you desire. Servers that are on Hosted, Classic, and Gold tabs aren't allowed banning people for reasons beyond those that specifically violate the Game's Code of Conduct.

I thought you wern't allowed to ban if you were a private/uc server?

Oh, and he's hosted.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by JustBreathe

If your server is private or under construction, it is your right to ban whoever you desire. Servers that are on Hosted, Classic, and Gold tabs aren't allowed banning people for reasons beyond those that specifically violate the Game's Code of Conduct.

So can I jail them infinitely?

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Loriel

So can I jail them infinitely?

Sure you could. But that doesn't mean that they will remain jailed infinitely.


@Yen: Can I ban *** people from my server?

[Yen]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

Sure you could. But that doesn't mean that they will remain jailed infinitely.


@Yen: Can I ban *** people from my server?

Sure you can, other servers do it.
Actually, that's where this stems from. I'm getting sick of people PMing me crap with 'omg r u rly ***??? i dont have a problem with ***s or anything but u do kno god wont let u in heven?? u should change!'

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Yen

Sure you can, other servers do it.
Actually, that's where this stems from. I'm getting sick of people PMing me crap with 'omg r u rly ***??? i dont have a problem with ***s or anything but u do kno god wont let u in heven?? u should change!'

Pretty sure you can't. So far I've seen 2 people globally banned by Ibonic for banning other accounts with a reason like that. Might be because the language was inappropriate, or the overall reason.

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by JustBreathe

If your server is private or under construction, it is your right to ban whoever you desire. Servers that are on Hosted, Classic, and Gold tabs aren't allowed banning people for reasons beyond those that specifically violate the Game's Code of Conduct.

This is very subject to change, and you certainly should not be banning people from any server on a discriminative grounding.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Yen

Sure you can, other servers do it.
Actually, that's where this stems from. I'm getting sick of people PMing me crap with 'omg r u rly ***??? i dont have a problem with ***s or anything but u do kno god wont let u in heven?? u should change!'

Seems like they've been listening to Shirley Phelps-Roper too closely.

If that's the case though, I don't think the ban would be based on religion, but if they are being persistant about that sort of thing, it would probably constitute as harassment.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Yen

Am I allowed to ban religious people from my server?

You can ban people for whatever reason you want. It's just that sometimes you have to make up a fake reason for banning them.

[Sam]

Are you allowed to ban religious people? Why, because they believe there is a almighty person? Or because they are ask you to allow them to wear a headscarf? Or because they knock at everybody door to convert people and selling holy Bibles?
Serious, I dont get the reason why you will ban a group of people without knowing them or their behavior.

[Spark910]

Originally Posted by Sam

Are you allowed to ban religious people? Why, because they believe there is a almighty person? Or because they are ask you to allow them to wear a headscarf? Or because they knock at everybody door to convert people and selling holy Bibles?
Serious, I dont get the reason why you will ban a group of people without knowing them or their behavior.

They SELL holy bibles at your door now? Dang.

[Sam]

The Jehovah's Witnesses does. :/

[Thallen]

Yen, just do what N-Pulse does. Ban people for whatever reason you want and claim you witnessed them using a trainer or any sort of hack. Easy.

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Sam

Are you allowed to ban religious people? Why, because they believe there is a almighty person? Or because they are ask you to allow them to wear a headscarf? Or because they knock at everybody door to convert people and selling holy Bibles?
Serious, I dont get the reason why you will ban a group of people without knowing them or their behavior.

I don't think you really read the thread. It's not so much banning anyone with a religion, as much as banning people who harras others because of religion.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

I don't think you really read the thread. It's not so much banning anyone with a religion, as much as banning people who harras others because of religion.

The question she asked in her first post was:

Originally Posted by Yen

Am I allowed to ban religious people from my server?

so I correlated that in my answer.

As we later read she gets harassed, because of her sexual orientation as I understand it right.
I thought it was meant as a joke, to ask that, because it's out of question. She is allowed to ban people who harasses her or anybody else because of her sexuality, her religion and so on.

[excaliber7388]

I've gotten kicked from Maloria events (by Kevin btw) for 'crossdressing'
Anyway, unless a person is saying stuff like "BELIEVE IN MY GOD" :YOU'RE GOING TO HELL ***" etc. I see no reason to ban them

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Sam

The question she asked in her first post was:

Yen is a guy not a girl.

You can't ban religious people but you can ban for sexual harassment. If I randomly pm you saying "LOL ***Z SUK U PPL SHOULD STOPDOING DDAT UR GOING 2 HELL BITHC" then that should = atleast a hardk0re jailing

[LOA--Paul]

if you ban religious people we ban ***s.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

if you ban religious people we ban ***s.

R U IDIOT? DO U GO 2 SPESHUL SKOOL?

Who votes we ban retards from the forums?

[Draenin]

I vote.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Draenin

I vote.

Was that a vote based on the hope that I would get banned along with them?

[LOA--Paul]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

R U IDIOT? DO U GO 2 SPESHUL SKOOL?

Who votes we ban retards from the forums?

What? Can't handle discrimination going both ways? This is a stupid ****ing thread and an offensive idea.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

What? Can't handle discrimination going both ways? This is a stupid ****ing thread and an offensive idea.

What I can't handle is people who post threads when only reading the first post. Try reading the thread and then understanding why I said that. If it's still too hard for you to understand, ask your mommy or daddy to help you.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

What I can't handle is people who post threads when only reading the first post. Try reading the thread and then understanding why I said that. If it's still too hard for you to understand, ask your mommy or daddy to help you.

hehe
I was going to say the same thing.

[LOA--Paul]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

What I can't handle is people who post threads when only reading the first post. Try reading the thread and then understanding why I said that. If it's still too hard for you to understand, ask your mommy or daddy to help you.

Son, it's not my problem if the OP was vague or 'didn't mean' clear cut what they wrote in the first post. There's an edit button, the OP should utilize it or have a mod help them. If they are harassing him, he can obviously ban them for "Harassment." -unless he's too slow to realize that, it's clear that he wanted to start a thread inflammatory towards religious people.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

Son

Yes daddy?

it's not my problem if the OP was vague or 'didn't mean' clear cut what they wrote in the first post. There's an edit button, the OP should utilize it or have a mod help them.

Watusay?

If they are harassing him, he can obviously ban them for "Harassment." -unless he's too slow to realize that, it's clear that he wanted to start a thread inflammatory towards religious people.

Nah, he'd do it in the non-graal-related forum. It happens all the time there.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by Yen

Am I allowed to ban religious people from my server?

What's the reason for asking the GraalOnline Communication Center? I recommended asking the members of the Accounts Support staff or members of the Playerworld Administration. The players who post on the forums, their decision doesn't matter?

Originally Posted by JustBreathe

If your server is private or under construction, it is your right to ban whoever you desire. Servers that are on Hosted, Classic, and Gold tabs aren't allowed banning people for reasons beyond those that specifically violate the Game's Code of Conduct.

Correct. Stefan did state this, though, if someone contacts a global staff member wishing to be un-banned for a reason, then the player has the right to be un-banned, if there was no legit reason to ban someone.

Originally Posted by Loriel

So can I jail them infinitely?

Man, stop being stupid.

Originally Posted by ApothiX

Sure you could. But that doesn't mean that they will remain jailed infinitely.


@Yen: Can I ban *** people from my server?

I'm sure quite a number of staff ban homosexuals.

Originally Posted by Yen

Sure you can, other servers do it.
Actually, that's where this stems from. I'm getting sick of people PMing me crap with 'omg r u rly ***??? i dont have a problem with ***s or anything but u do kno god wont let u in heven?? u should change!'

Then ban them for the reason that the player is talking about sexual related things, which is not allowed on GraalOnline. Just because they are religious about a certain opinion, that's no reason to ban them. Of course, banning them for sexual related comments is quite bannable! In your case, I'm sure it's harassesment. So ban them?

Originally Posted by Skyld

This is very subject to change, and you certainly should not be banning people from any server on a discriminative grounding.

Stefan stated staff can ban players who interrupt their development. Why would what Stefan said be changed? It seems fair. Ban whoever interrupts your development. You pay for your own private worlds, so you should have some rights to it, until becoming Hosted or Classic.

Originally Posted by ApothiX

Seems like they've been listening to Shirley Phelps-Roper too closely.

If that's the case though, I don't think the ban would be based on religion, but if they are being persistant about that sort of thing, it would probably constitute as harassment.

Okiesmokie is so the coolest kid on the GraalOnline Communication Center.

Originally Posted by Googi

You can ban people for whatever reason you want. It's just that sometimes you have to make up a fake reason for banning them.

That isn't fair!

Originally Posted by Sam

Are you allowed to ban religious people? Why, because they believe there is a almighty person? Or because they are ask you to allow them to wear a headscarf? Or because they knock at everybody door to convert people and selling holy Bibles?
Serious, I dont get the reason why you will ban a group of people without knowing them or their behavior.

Take it to them, Sam. Kingdoms staff rock.

Originally Posted by Spark910

They SELL holy bibles at your door now? Dang.

EVILDOOM!

Originally Posted by Thallen

Yen, just do what N-Pulse does. Ban people for whatever reason you want and claim you witnessed them using a trainer or any sort of hack. Easy.

Oh wow. If N-Pulse does infact do that, then someone should speak with them! That's not fair. Plus, the GServer has sever options to detect trainers, so that would provide some proof of trainers, not just someone seeing it. I would report it to Ibonic.

Originally Posted by GryffonDurime

I don't think you really read the thread. It's not so much banning anyone with a religion, as much as banning people who harras others because of religion.

Sam rocks.

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I've gotten kicked from Maloria events (by Kevin btw) for 'crossdressing'
Anyway, unless a person is saying stuff like "BELIEVE IN MY GOD" :YOU'RE GOING TO HELL ***" etc. I see no reason to ban them

Man, report Kevin then.

Other than that, what reason is there for someone to ban someone for expressing their beliefs and opinion? People do it here all the time!

Originally Posted by Gerami

Yen is a guy not a girl.

You can't ban religious people but you can ban for sexual harassment. If I randomly pm you saying "LOL ***Z SUK U PPL SHOULD STOPDOING DDAT UR GOING 2 HELL BITHC" then that should = atleast a hardk0re jailing

Crono is God.

Believe in Cronoism, or just get off GraalOnline.

Originally Posted by Draenin

I vote.

GraalOnline isn't a democracy! Your vote won't count!

Originally Posted by ApothiX

Was that a vote based on the hope that I would get banned along with them?

Banning Okiesmokie is against the rules. If someone attempted to ban him, then that person should be banned.

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

What? Can't handle discrimination going both ways? This is a stupid ****ing thread and an offensive idea.

Man, read the thread.

Originally Posted by ApothiX

What I can't handle is people who post threads when only reading the first post. Try reading the thread and then understanding why I said that. If it's still too hard for you to understand, ask your mommy or daddy to help you.

Man, tell him to get off your lawn, Okiesmokie.

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

hehe
I was going to say the same thing.

Knowledge is power!

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

Son, it's not my problem if the OP was vague or 'didn't mean' clear cut what they wrote in the first post. There's an edit button, the OP should utilize it or have a mod help them. If they are harassing him, he can obviously ban them for "Harassment." -unless he's too slow to realize that, it's clear that he wanted to start a thread inflammatory towards religious people.

OR, JUST MAYBE, YOU COULD READ THE THREAD. I think so! Gosh.

[LOA--Paul]

Originally Posted by Malinko

OR, JUST MAYBE, YOU COULD READ THE THREAD. I think so! Gosh.

I don't expect someone to make a clear cut statement in the original post, with a title that reinforces that statement, and then completely alter it later in the thread. "Can I ban religious people?" was the sole question presented, nothing more, nothing less. It's not my problem if by page 2 or 3 they change it to be "Religious people who harass me."

It's obvious he can ban ANYONE who harasses him, for "harassment" which is against the rules. If he was too stupid to know that, then he shouldn't be running a server. This was obviously a thread meant to provoke a response- he got mine.

[Crono]

Crono is God.

Believe in Cronoism, or just get off GraalOnline.

this.ego++

[Galdor]

Originally Posted by Sam

The Jehovah's Witnesses does. :/

there is your reason then

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Malinko

....

That...was....perfect.

Anyway, I think Yen just wanted a shocking thread title, and religious people can be annoying sometimes, for example, massing "REPENT, GOD IS REAL, JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY, DON'T GO TO HELL!", etc. See, that can be annoying too (although I would place it in the spam catagory for jailing/banning). Anyway, you can't ban a person for their religion on a hosted/clasic/gold server. But as for dev, anything goes! (WHICH IS A TERRIBLE RULE).

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by Yen

Sure you can, other servers do it.
Actually, that's where this stems from. I'm getting sick of people PMing me crap with 'omg r u rly ***??? i dont have a problem with ***s or anything but u do kno god wont let u in heven?? u should change!'

Ban them for harassment then.

[excaliber7388]

1st tell them their church is lying to them, and they're fools to believe it.
THEN ban them for harassment

[LOA--Paul]

Originally Posted by Damix2

Ban them for harassment then.

QFT. Was really simple, this thread's just here to get people riled up.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

I don't expect someone to make a clear cut statement in the original post, with a title that reinforces that statement, and then completely alter it later in the thread. "Can I ban religious people?" was the sole question presented, nothing more, nothing less. It's not my problem if by page 2 or 3 they change it to be "Religious people who harass me."

It's obvious he can ban ANYONE who harasses him, for "harassment" which is against the rules. If he was too stupid to know that, then he shouldn't be running a server. This was obviously a thread meant to provoke a response- he got mine.

Erm, then at least quote THE FIRST POST, rather than some other post! THAT WOULD MAKE LOGICAL SENSE, RIGHT?! Right.

Originally Posted by Gerami

this.ego++

Ego? You don't need an ego, Crono. You are God, our life is to boast an ego for God.

Originally Posted by Galdor

there is your reason then

Reasons?! That's BLASPHEMY!

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

That...was....perfect.

Thanks! Though, nothing was perfect, so I assume I did a good job! It's appreciated, so once again, thanks!

Anyway, I think Yen just wanted a shocking thread title, and religious people can be annoying sometimes, for example, massing "REPENT, GOD IS REAL, JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY, DON'T GO TO HELL!", etc. See, that can be annoying too (although I would place it in the spam catagory for jailing/banning). Anyway, you can't ban a person for their religion on a hosted/clasic/gold server. But as for dev, anything goes! (WHICH IS A TERRIBLE RULE).

Man, religion is apart of this world, can't change that. Whether liked or not, it's not right to just punish someone for being accustomed to a religion that he or she learned.

It's not a terrible rule! If someone interrupts development, then get rid of them! I'm sure when working, no one wishes to be interrupted.

Originally Posted by Damix2

Ban them for harassment then.

I think this was suggested.

*Re-reads the entire thread*
Yes, it was suggested.

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

1st tell them their church is lying to them, and they're fools to believe it.
THEN ban them for harassment

That's wrong.

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

QFT. Was really simple, this thread's just here to get people riled up.

QFT?

[LOA--Paul]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Erm, then at least quote THE FIRST POST, rather than some other post! THAT WOULD MAKE LOGICAL SENSE, RIGHT?! Right.

I didn't quote ANY post in my post. Obviously that implies I'm replying to the first post. I don't know where you got that I quoted 'some other post.'

Originally Posted by Malinko

QFT?

"Quoted for Truth"

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Malinko

That isn't fair!

An astute observation.

[excaliber7388]

Then make a rule that dev servers can ban if a player gets in the way of developement. Instead of allowing people to ban because they don't like someone.