What's the deal, Stefan?

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Thanks for hijacking the thread, this is clearly in no way relevant to my suggestion of restoring classic, nor relevant to the arguement of why current classic should remain

It's relevant in the sense that we have to start work from the bottom up. What's irrelevant is your incapability to assist in these efforts. I actually wonder how insane the first quest release will be now that we can actually release it. Of course, I want to at least have the swamp baddy done for the boss room, though that shouldn't be incredibly hard. All that's left is the entrance scene to the boss room (and uhh... the chests need to be fixed). The first quest, it's a lot more puzzle and a lot less baddies. I'm hoping the guards still work.... I've seen them go haywire before.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

It's relevant in the sense that we have to start work from the bottom up.

Yes, fabulous. We'll now see some progress after a year and two months.

What's irrelevant is your incapability to assist in these efforts.

Random, I agree it is irrelevant, too bad no one is suggesting I assist as most of the "incapability" is a general staff hatred toward me.

I actually wonder how insane the first quest release will be now that we can actually release it.

I'd say fairly insane, because it of course will not work properly, and therefore be a waste of everyone involved's time.

Of course, I want to at least have the swamp baddy done for the boss room, though that shouldn't be incredibly hard.

I've seen sample baddies from a year ago, when will we see a real one?

All that's left is the entrance scene to the boss room (and uhh... the chests need to be fixed).

Yes, I am sure chests are very difficult,

The first quest, it's a lot more puzzle and a lot less baddies.

I am all for continuing to tear down the basis of classic.

I'm hoping the guards still work.... I've seen them go haywire before.

On classic, they won't

[Antago]

I don't see how discussing fixing up Destiny and other things which were a part of Graal classic for a long, long time has nothing to do with this threasd. In fact it supports your concerns, unless of course you have some idea of how Graal Classic should be designed, and without offering a detailed map and description of it, you want to attack people.

[Malinko]

I don't understand how hard it is to develop and release re-makes of the old stuff to now.

I mean, the most updated thing I've seen is that movement system re-made over and over.

[kenyonandelliot]

True, Exodus also said that most of the world is redone. Btw, could you guys just unblacklist Kevin so he could help Classic.

[Mark Sir Link]

1/6/05.
Graal the Adventure is down. Classic is up.
3/5/06.
Graal the Adventure is down. Classic is up.

in this year and 2 months, we've yet to see any real development. The developers that we have currently are running out of excuses.

Let's start with Massokre.
"We're waiting until V4 is the only usable client. That way the quests will work for everyone."
V4 is the only usable client. I suppose the lantern quest now works for everyone!
"We have to start work from the bottom up."
Yes, I found this true a YEAR AND 2 MONTHS ago. It is, however, irrelevant today. We need to start working, period.



I'd like to see some intervention at the global level. It's fairly obvious nothing is happening. Massokre is running the show, and he's not doing it well. He should not be the one to shape classic's future, since he doesn't have the ability to do so.

We need a global to take power of classic, and get it on track.

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Well forgive me for wanting to debug the new systems before I get everything else on track.

LOL

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

1/6/05.
Graal the Adventure is down. Classic is up.
3/5/06.
Graal the Adventure is down. Classic is up.

in this year and 2 months, we've yet to see any real development. The developers that we have currently are running out of excuses.

Let's start with Massokre.
"We're waiting until V4 is the only usable client. That way the quests will work for everyone."
V4 is the only usable client. I suppose the lantern quest now works for everyone!
"We have to start work from the bottom up."
Yes, I found this true a YEAR AND 2 MONTHS ago. It is, however, irrelevant today. We need to start working, period.



I'd like to see some intervention at the global level. It's fairly obvious nothing is happening. Massokre is running the show, and he's not doing it well. He should not be the one to shape classic's future, since he doesn't have the ability to do so.

We need a global to take power of classic, and get it on track.

Well forgive me for wanting to debug the new systems before I get everything else on track.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Well forgive me for wanting to debug the new systems before I get everything else on track.

A year and two months isn't exactly new, and that's sluggish and appalling development rate.

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

A year and two months isn't exactly new, and that's sluggish and appalling development rate.

I've only been admin since November, and I have rebuilt the entire team from scratch. I've also rescripted the entire movement and damage systems, added a nick system, brought back the AP system, brought back the Spar Rating system, brought back the GUI system, made a database for spar/pk ranks, rescripted the warp ring, scripted two tridents, the hammer, opposite boots, gravity boots, splash boots, hover boots, the movement for beer, the dragoon jump weapon (which was a part of the nations system night gave to me), rescripted all liftable objects and all weapons to be compatible with the movement system (with the exception of staff tool and the GC things that DC is being kind enough to handle the brunt of and report to me what he needs), scripted the shovel, the lantern, scripted a camera system, scripted the shop system (which can't be entirely implemented yet because the food ganis aren't all done), all on my own (except GrowlZ did a bit on the shovel and the hammer... but I rescripted the hammer completely). Exodus has done the majority of the overworld expansion, though I retiled the larger part of the mountain in it's entirety. We've started taking playerhouses again (for the first time since 2002).

Though I've done a lot more than what I've said here, do all of that in less time and you'll earn my respect.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

I've only been admin since November, and I have rebuilt the entire team from scratch. I've also rescripted the entire movement and damage systems, added a nick system, brought back the AP system, brought back the Spar Rating system, brought back the GUI system, made a database for spar/pk ranks, rescripted the warp ring, scripted two tridents, the hammer, opposite boots, gravity boots, splash boots, hover boots, the movement for beer, the dragoon jump weapon (which was a part of the nations system night gave to me), rescripted all liftable objects and all weapons to be compatible with the movement system (with the exception of staff tool and the GC things that DC is being kind enough to handle the brunt of and report to me what he needs), scripted the shovel, the lantern, scripted a camera system, scripted the shop system (which can't be entirely implemented yet because the food ganis aren't all done), all on my own (except GrowlZ did a bit on the shovel and the hammer... but I rescripted the hammer completely). Exodus has done the majority of the overworld expansion, though I retiled the larger part of the mountain in it's entirety. We've started taking playerhouses again (for the first time since 2002).

Though I've done a lot more than what I've said here, do all of that in less time and you'll earn my respect.

Oh yes, feel free please to include things the player haven't/will never see!

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Oh yes, feel free please to include things the player haven't/will never see!

Destiny is in the next overworld expansion and that will include the Destiny Boot Shop. The Silver Trident is going to be the prize for Kull's. The Hammer is going to be the prize for the Gnome Caves. The lvl1 Glove is going to be the prize for the Castle.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Destiny is in the next overworld expansion and that will include the Destiny Boot Shop. The Silver Trident is going to be the prize for Kull's. The Hammer is going to be the prize for the Gnome Caves. The lvl1 Glove is going to be the prize for the Castle.

None of which we've seen or have a 100% chance TO see sometime soon.

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

None of which we've seen or have a 100% chance TO see sometime soon.

Well sorry, why don't you tile the mountain?

[Lyndzey]

Bring back Zol's pool

[Minoc]

Suggestion: rename the server. :[

[Crono]

Suggestion: Use old tileset. It's called classic for a reason no?

[Luda]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Storm won't let me use the old tileset

why the hell not?


EDIT:
wtf how is the post i quoted under this post?

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Suggestion: Use old tileset. It's called classic for a reason no?

Storm won't let me use the old tileset

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by Luda

wtf how is the post i quoted under this post?

The forums' timezone shifted again.

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Luda

why the hell not?

Well, the primary thing I wanted was the trees, he doesn't like the old trees. I never asked him about paths and stuff though.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Well, the primary thing I wanted was the trees, he doesn't like the old trees. I never asked him about paths and stuff though.

You mean, I asked if we could bring back parts of the old tileset (the trees in particular), you just asked Master Storm on my behalf. I suggested to bring the old tileset some months ago.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Storm won't let me use the old tileset

WHY

Seriously, the old tileset looks so much better and gives the player a better feeling. The current one is dark and ****ty.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Storm won't let me use the old tileset

WHATISTHISBULL****.

[napo_p2p]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Storm won't let me use the old tileset

Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble!

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

you just asked Master Storm on my behalf.

Because I also like the idea of bringing back parts of the old tileset.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

Because I also like the idea of bringing back parts of the old tileset.

NOTJUSTPARTS!!

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

NOTJUSTPARTS!!

A lot of the old tileset can't be used because of copyright issues (or so I hear). I have the Zelda Online Tileset :P, so it's not too hard to see what's going on there. I don't think that the trees would hurt anything, but there's a lot of tiling right now that bringing back the roads wouldn't really help look good. The N,E,S,W aren't coming back, nor will the old roof decor.

Storm actually gave me permission to manage Classic's Tileset as a separate entity from pics1.png a while ago (esp. when tiles we need don't exist), and I haven't done anything for that yet. Although, now I'm thinking that we actually will put the old trees back.

[Mark Sir Link]

Yay @ Month + 12 Days And No Global Staff Intervention
:d
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EDIT:
Dang, I forgot that it's more like a year and 3 months.

EDIT 2:

You agree that it's awfully terrible that there has been no intervention on a server with a decent playercount that isn't worth playing?

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Yay @ Month + 12 Days And No Global Staff Intervention
:d
D:
:d
D:

EDIT:
Dang, I forgot that it's more like a year and 3 months.

Well... in my perspective....

Yay @ Month + 12 Days And No Global Staff Assistance
:d
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:d
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EDIT:
Dang, I forgot that it's more like a year and 3 months.

But at least Ibo and GrowlZ helped for a while.

[Mark Sir Link]

02-07-2006, 05:13 PM


It's been over a year now. We've had this twisted classic for over a year. So when will it stop, Stefan? Can you claim profits have gone up since the installment of NPC-Server on Classic? Sure, it has a larger playerbase, but it's still trial accounts. The "New" Classic (which is really an oxy*****) is probably bringing profits downward, since there are two quests in which the trials embark to gain the same status has everyone else. Two quick, easy, quests. So what's the point? What MAJOR security risk lies in having a server with no NPC-Server? When has it been possible for people to launch attacks globally from a single server? Stefan, please, just return classic to what it was before the NPC-Server was released.

Many of the players had paid for accounts to play Graal the Adventure. I know I sure did. Whole reason I got my p2p. I've been shortchanged in my payments, since I only got to play it as a p2p for a good 3 months. Those 3 months were unforgettable, and they must remain so for me to have a hope.

Stefan. What advantages are you possibly seeing? The oldbies aren't satisfied with this server. The largest profit potential, the newbies, aren't either. So just bring it back. Bring it all back. Take away the NPC-Server. Give us back our items, our bowling alleys, Babord, Avalon, Nimda. Let us relive these, because Classic is no longer the area to look for profit. Let us have it back.

EDIT: This isn't my first forum account, but my p2p is suffering a permaban for trivial reasons. However, Forum PMs and protest to Stefan himself have yet to work. I thank you for the interjection and warning, but I will have to disregard them.

EDIT 2: Who has asked for conversion, Master Storm?

EDIT 3: I never expected immediate action. I at least hoped someone would contact me so I can convince them or they may convince me as to what would be best for classic. However, none of this is yet to happen. I will dwell further into the bit about Graal making no more money now.

Ibonic has said that graal is in debt. Classic in it's current state is costing GraalOnline money. Not enough people play it, or pay to play it, that it is worth keeping up. Trials who enjoy classic have no incentive to upgrade, since the two quests take up 10 minutes of time, and they're at equal standing with everyone else.

The event that inspired me to start a bridge protest and create this thread happened today, as well. Some guy by the account name Celarion walked up to level14, and started asking questions. He said
"I've been saving up to get a p2p. I used to play pre-p2p. How do I get my old character and stuff back."

Telling him he'd never see it again was a bit painful. This guy surely enjoyed classic enough to upgrade. Perhaps other nooblets will see the light, and follow suit. But first, they need a server that actually requires an upgrade.

So take down the NPC-Server. Add the old levels, all the old NPCs. Don't bother converting them. Just give it back to us.



Classic, R.I.P. 1/6/05

[Warcaptain]

If you don't like it, go play another server.

Antago:

Do you ever post where you arent glorifying yourself?

[napo_p2p]

Originally Posted by Warcaptain

Antago:

Do you ever post where you arent glorifying yourself?

Antago is banned (I think).

[Warcaptain]

Thank goodness

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Warcaptain

If you don't like it, go play another server.

I payed money to play Graal the Adventure, not Massokre's ridicoulous idea of what Classic should be.

You paid money to play Graal.. that is all Graal Online assures you when you sign up and pay. Every world.. classic, kingdoms, zone, delteria. If you choose to play these playerworlds then you need to understand that the staff have every right to change whatever they want. Stefan and Unixmad do not guarantee that every pw you like will stay 100% the same for you.. so I am sorry.

However, GraalOnline should also feel the need to have a quality server on the Classic tab, not a piece of ****.

Originally Posted by Draenin

Mark, I hate to break it to ya, but I don't think you're ever going to convince anyone of anything with the self-given title of "Idiot Extrodinaire." (Spelled wrong, by the way, which is even funnier.)

Good thing I intentionally misspelled extraordinaire then?

[Warcaptain]

You paid money to play Graal.. that is all Graal Online assures you when you sign up and pay. Every world.. classic, kingdoms, zone, delteria. If you choose to play these playerworlds then you need to understand that the staff have every right to change whatever they want. Stefan and Unixmad do not guarantee that every pw you like will stay 100% the same for you.. so I am sorry.

[syltburk]

Why dont you have "classic had 500 players but has 10 at the moment" :S?

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

02-07-2006, 05:13 PM
The event that inspired me to start a bridge protest and create this thread happened today, as well. Some guy by the account name Celarion walked up to level14, and started asking questions. He said
"I've been saving up to get a p2p. I used to play pre-p2p. How do I get my old character and stuff back."

Wazza, who is helping greatly, just upgraded from trial this year. He made the new Snow Town and is helping out with picking up the pieces in Destiny. There is more work to be done than you can imagine with getting parts of the overworld back in place. The mountain isn't even close to done being tiled. We redid the Preface Quest (Lantern/Glass Graal) just this past week so that we can move along with a storyline that brings you to the castle. The castle has been near ready for months now, but all the overworld expansion and other tasks are making it difficult to bring up.

Not to mention I have college and a job on top of Graal. I have class as I'm typing this. So I will finish typing later.

[Draenin]

Mark, I hate to break it to ya, but I don't think you're ever going to convince anyone of anything with the self-given title of "Idiot Extrodinaire." (Spelled wrong, by the way, which is even funnier.)

[Mogwai]

I don't see the purpose of calling classic... classic.

Rename it to something else because it's not CLASSIC. Posting updated information about classic is great, but a lot of you are missing the point... it's not classic therefor it doesn't make sense.

In my opinion have jake create whatever he wants, because no one is going to convince him about any of this and the whole argument because he will do what he seems to want. Start a new group to recreate what classic actually WAS. Yes easier said than done, but it's worth a shot.

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by Mogwai

I don't see the purpose of calling classic... classic.

Rename it to something else because it's not CLASSIC. Posting updated information about classic is great, but a lot of you are missing the point... it's not classic therefor it doesn't make sense.

In my opinion have jake create whatever he wants, because no one is going to convince him about any of this and the whole argument because he will do what he seems to want. Start a new group to recreate what classic actually WAS. Yes easier said than done, but it's worth a shot.

I -am- trying to recreate what it was as much as I can.