Haste script, help

[gamer4lifebitach]

Can someone give me the script for haste or teach me how to make a haste script???

[Admins]

Sorry for deleting some posts but I don't want moderators *****ing at people who are asking for help. I hope someone can help with a link to a code snippet (on graal.net, we also plan a code snippet section on wiki.graal.net) or give hints on how to do a haste script.

[Fox1545]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Sorry for deleting some posts but I don't want moderators *****ing at people who are asking for help.

I hope the administrators read the script forum rules anytime soon.

Feeding scripts to people who have no clue is not going to help anyone.

[Yen]

O_O!
Stefan's angry! ... Damn hot.

You can find Loriel's movement script here:
http://graal.net/snippet/detail.php?type=snippet&id=21

However, it's not functional on GS2-enabled, so you'll have to figure it out.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Sorry for deleting some posts but I don't want moderators *****ing at people who are asking for help. I hope someone can help with a link to a code snippet (on graal.net, we also plan a code snippet section on wiki.graal.net) or give hints on how to do a haste script.

Asking for someone to give him a server's named script (against the forum rules) is not the same as asking the scripting forums how to solve a given problem (not against the forum rules).

Surprisingly enough, he did the former, but did not do the latter! I am not even sure what a "haste script" is. Are you?

[Dach]

If people think they can get away with asking for scripts, they will.

Those that ask for a script before asking for help will usually not even try to learn. Obviously they should still be pointed in the right direction, but letting people just make threads asking for scripts isn't right.

[Deek2]

Originally Posted by Lance

Asking for someone to give him a server's named script (against the forum rules) is not the same as asking the scripting forums how to solve a given problem (not against the forum rules).

Surprisingly enough, he did the former, but did not do the latter! I am not even sure what a "haste script" is. Are you?

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by Lance

Asking for someone to give him a server's named script (against the forum rules) is not the same as asking the scripting forums how to solve a given problem (not against the forum rules).

I agree here. A reasonable thread would have followed a "I'm looking to achieve X. I've tried Y, can you point me in the right direction?" format.

[ZeLpH_MyStiK]

Originally Posted by Lance

Asking for someone to give him a server's named script (against the forum rules) is not the same as asking the scripting forums how to solve a given problem (not against the forum rules).

Surprisingly enough, he did the former, but did not do the latter! I am not even sure what a "haste script" is. Are you?

I agree. If I've never been to N-Pulse, I wouldn't even know what a Haste script is. Asking for a full script off of a server is definitely on the list of bad things to do. Even though the thread-maker did say teach me how, the intentions were clear that he wanted someone to hand him the entire script, especially since there were no indications that he had done any research.

[Admins]

Ok gamer4lifebitach please tell use what exactly you mean with haste script

(PS: in my opinion it is ok if someone asks how to do an effect, even if you only know it from one server, also often it is best to learn from script examples, as long as those are well documented; watching at this thread looks like you need 10 scripters to write one meaningfull line of code, 6 complain about the original poster not knowing any scripting, 3 complain about breaking forum rules by asking for help, one is complaining about the previous 9 not doing anything etc.)

[Yen]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Ok gamer4lifebitach please tell use what exactly you mean with haste script

(PS: in my opinion it is ok if someone asks how to do an effect, even if you only know it from one server, also often it is best to learn from script examples, as long as those are well documented)

That person doesn't check the forums often.

But what the other people are trying to say is that game4lifebitach is basically asking for a script.
What he wants is a script that makes your player move faster, but not go over walls.
He doesn't know how to script very good.
What he's asking for is way too hard for him, so even if we give him the full script he's not going to understand.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Yen

That person doesn't check the forums often.

But what the other people are trying to say is that game4lifebitach is basically asking for a script.
What he wants is a script that makes your player move faster, but not go over walls.
He doesn't know how to script very good.
What he's asking for is way too hard for him, so even if we give him the full script he's not going to understand.

Then post the 3-line script and explain it ? x-x

[Yen]

?
3 line script?

A movement system is really big.. You have to do all kinds of onwall checks, then check if the player can move to the side, and stuff.

[ZeLpH_MyStiK]

Originally Posted by Yen

?
3 line script?

A movement system is really big.. You have to do all kinds of onwall checks, then check if the player can move to the side, and stuff.

I think that was metaphorical.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Then post the 3-line script and explain it ? x-x

Originally Posted by Yen

You can find Loriel's movement script here:
http://graal.net/snippet/detail.php?type=snippet&id=21

Hmm?

[Kronan]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Sorry for deleting some posts but I don't want moderators *****ing at people who are asking for help. I hope someone can help with a link to a code snippet (on graal.net, we also plan a code snippet section on wiki.graal.net) or give hints on how to do a haste script.

I agree with you 100%. It's not good business to ***** at paying customers who are just looking for help.

And for your haste script, do you mean running? If so you can play around with this:

PHP Code:

//#CLIENTSIDE

function onCreated() {
  this.speed = 0.2;
}  
function onKeyPressed(code,character) {
  this.pressed = !this.pressed;
  if (this.pressed) {
   if (character == "h") {
      setTimer(0.05);
      player.chat = "Hasting!";
  }
}
  elseif (character == "h") {
    setTimer(0);
    player.chat = "Walking!";
  }
}    
function onTimeout() {
  temp.ar = {player.x+1.5+vecx(player.dir)*1.1,
             player.y+2+vecy(player.dir)*1.1
            };
  if (onwall(temp.ar[0],temp.ar[1])) {
    setTimer(0.05);
  }
  if (!(onwall(temp.ar[0],temp.ar[1]))) {
   if (keydown(0)) playery-=this.speed;
   if (keydown(1)) playerx-=this.speed;
   if (keydown(2)) playery+=this.speed;
   if (keydown(3)) playerx+=this.speed;
   setTimer(0.05);
  }
} 


It might not be the best, but it serves its purpose. It's a bit buggy so you'll have to work with it. It is activated by pressing "h", and deactivated by pressing "h" once again. I threw this together in like 5 minutes. So don't hate my skill. Problem with this script is, it's not checking around the player for a wall, so you'll have to play with it to make it do that.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Stefan

(PS: in my opinion it is ok if someone asks how to do an effect, even if you only know it from one server, also often it is best to learn from script examples, as long as those are well documented; watching at this thread looks like you need 10 scripters to write one meaningfull line of code, 6 complain about the original poster not knowing any scripting, 3 complain about breaking forum rules by asking for help, one is complaining about the previous 9 not doing anything etc.)

Then maybe have someone modify (or you do it) the scripting forum rules to your liking?
As it is now, people who post here do not recieve help unless they post a script, or partial script to prove they are at least trying to do the script themselves, or they are directed to the rules, or a link to something else, and the thread generally closed if they ask for help in making a script, or ask for a script when they do not post any of a script that they have done. I have seen people post scripts to help someone who asked for a script, and got yelled at for doing so, because of what the rules state.

I just think if you want things done a specific way, then maybe you should type up the rules to reflect what you want....

[Bl0nkt]

Originally Posted by Yen

That person doesn't check the forums often.

But what the other people are trying to say is that game4lifebitach is basically asking for a script.
What he wants is a script that makes your player move faster, but not go over walls.
He doesn't know how to script very good.
What he's asking for is way too hard for him, so even if we give him the full script he's not going to understand.

I didn't read any posts after this one, so don't quote anything after Yen's quoted post that may contradict mine.

You know how I learned to script? I had level rights to a semi-advanced server and snooped around levels, taking out parts of scripts that I've never seen before and using them for different situations. I could bet that I wouldn't know a lot of things in a "haste" script, but if I saw it, I'd sure learn a lot more to keep me from asking more questions with the response of "usux lol go raed teh rulez"

Just my two cents.

[Prozac]

Perhaps explaining how to perform the requested function through an algorithm and code refrences would be the best way. Teach the process through example, like this:

To make the player move faster, this involves adjusting the player's movement,
and a player moves with the up down left and right keys.

So, if you already have code that lets a weapon be turned on and off with the D key,
when the weapon is on, it could go into a timeout loop.

PHP Code:

//#CLIENTSIDE
if (timeout && the weapon is on)
 {
  //check if the up down left or right key is pressed
   if (keydown(right))
    {
      //check if the player has a wall in front of them, so they dont move through walls
     if (!onwall(playerx+3,playery+1))  //perhaps multiple checks each direction
      {
       playerx++;  // move the player a full tile distance which is 16 pixels
      }
    }
   //repeat keydown and onwall checks for each direction
 timeout=.05;  
 } 


that may give you a start of at least the idea that i think you want from a 'haste' script. it makes the player move faster than normal.

See, it is not so difficult to try and help someone.
And Zelph or whoever says 'dont give bad advice' thats the most discouraging and anti-scripting-community comment you could say so dont you dare say that ever again.

LETS BE KIND AND HELP ONE ANOTHER LEARN MORE!

[Maniaman]

Originally Posted by Prozac

And Zelph or whoever says 'dont give bad advice' thats the most discouraging and anti-scripting-community comment you could say so dont you dare say that ever again.

If you give people bad advice, it will not be helping them very well. Bad advice is bad for people. It can/will lead to bad scripting techniques and such.

[Prozac]

Originally Posted by Maniaman

If you give people bad advice, it will not be helping them very well. Bad advice is bad for people. It can/will lead to bad scripting techniques and such.

And what if believe your advice to be good, becasue you have tried it and it works? To say 'dont give bad advice' is to inflict people with doubt and leads to the public not wanting to try and help, lest their best efforts to assist a fellow player be mocked and scorned. Advice that works may not be in the pristine style of another and be considered bad becasue of some frivilous thing as whether to put the { at the end of the conditional check line of code or on a new line. Such arrogant comments easily become fear tactics that can lead to silence from those who would otherwise say something that could be useful to the person requesting help.

Stop being such jerks - you know who you are - and try being decent.
And im sorry for calling you jerks but how else will i get your attention?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Maniaman

If you give people bad advice, it will not be helping them very well. Bad advice is bad for people. It can/will lead to bad scripting techniques and such.

...But instead of saying "Don't give bad advice", a better thing to do might be to point out an error in the script, so the person does not keep performing that error, and show the person a better way of doing it.
Wouldn't this only make better scripters? I think people should try to help others more, instead of tearing them down. *shrugs*, just my opinion...

[Moondeath_2]

Haste is a script I had that pretty much cloned you or so it made a effect showing three of you as you move around. I lost the script other wise i'd give it to him even after he has been a *** to me.

[Yen]

Originally Posted by Moondeath_2

Haste is a script I had that pretty much cloned you or so it made a effect showing three of you as you move around. I lost the script other wise i'd give it to him even after he has been a *** to me.

Didn't I script that?

[ZeLpH_MyStiK]

Originally Posted by Yen

Didn't I script that?

That's why the npc's called Nerv/Haste and says scripted by nerv? O.o

[jake13jake]

Nobody refers to my movement script? WHY?!?!? probably because it's GS2, right? Or that I accidentally rescripted a bug into it?

http://graal.net/snippet/detail.php?type=snippet&id=88

Give me a minute and I'll remove the bug from it that moves the player... just a tad to far. Oh yea, and the NPC detection for this part of the movement system isn't complete yet as it needs to be able to detect dontblock NPCs (which Stefan said would be in next version). I'd suggest some customization when it comes to when player's are blocking (right now detects all players blocking, incl. when paused and when in noPK zone, but the main reason is for customizable player blocking).

What's good about my movement functions is that they can be integrated with (used on top of) other movement systems. You just need to put some kindof invalid thing for the tiletypes it checks for walls. I'd suggest -20 because -1 and -2 are players and NPCs respectively

or wait, no, you'd need to uhh... put in all the tiles that block now... not an invalid one. However, you can just find-replace wherever it says "onTiles(tiles," to "onwall2(" and you'll be able to integrate it. I just changed it to use my onTiles function for more dynamic use.

[Yen]

Originally Posted by ZeLpH_MyStiK

That's why the npc's called Nerv/Haste and says scripted by nerv? O.o

O-o I added classes once, and the Shadow Mage class had a spell that made 2 copies behind you. When you get hit, a copy is destroyed and you take no damage.

I don't know why I added classes. I knew they were a bad idea, but I was bored, so I made them anyway. :/

[ZeLpH_MyStiK]

Originally Posted by Yen

O-o I added classes once, and the Shadow Mage class had a spell that made 2 copies behind you. When you get hit, a copy is destroyed and you take no damage.

I don't know why I added classes. I knew they were a bad idea, but I was bored, so I made them anyway. :/

Nerv/Haste has been there for as long as I could remember and definitely before the classes.

[ApothiX]

I think moonie should steer away from the scripting forums, because she obviously doesn't understand why the rules are put in place. I'm pretty sure the reason for the demanding of scripts instead of attempting at it is there for a few reasons, some of which I can think of off the top of my head are:

• People who request complete scripts generally have no intention on learning how to work them. It's usually more of a copy-and-paste job. (This doesn't benefit the community, the scripter or even the person copying the script)
• There may be disputes as to who has permission to use the script when it is written, the person who requested it may take full credit for it, and that is not right.
• It encourages people to be lazy and not learn how to script theirselves, it also takes away from the need to hire staff on your own server.

I'm pretty sure if you removed this rule from the list, you would see a lot of new threads sprouting that are simply asking for scripts. Not only would this be a waste of time for the people who are here to legitimately answer questions people have, but also for the people who are writing these scripts for the people who are, more than likely, not appreciative of it.

[jake13jake]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

• People who request complete scripts generally have no intention on learning how to work them. It's usually more of a copy-and-paste job. (This doesn't benefit the community, the scripter or even the person copying the script)
• There may be disputes as to who has permission to use the script when it is written, the person who requested it may take full credit for it, and that is not right.
• It encourages people to be lazy and not learn how to script theirselves, it also takes away from the need to hire staff on your own server.

How most scripters have learned to script in the past is messing with scripts that already exist. Messing with a script that already exists. That's why I would point to my movement class. It's not really integrable into the default movement anymore, but it's easy to make it that way with slight modifications. It might be better to present a script that's similar to what they are looking for but might not be quite what they want. That way they could start to learn.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

I think moonie should steer away from the scripting forums, because she obviously doesn't understand why the rules are put in place.

Actually, I do understand why the rules were put into place, and if you will notice, I do stay clear of the scripting forums most of the time, as far as moderating them.
I do agree with the rules for the most part (except sometimes I think it is carried too far when people post scripts to help someone), but obviously Stefan doesn't agree with them, and sometimes people are really rude when dealing with people looking for help when they do not need to be.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Actually, I do understand why the rules were put into place, and if you will notice, I do stay clear of the scripting forums most of the time, as far as moderating them.
I do agree with the rules for the most part (except sometimes I think it is carried too far when people post scripts to help someone), but obviously Stefan doesn't agree with them, and sometimes people are really rude when dealing with people looking for help when they do not need to be.

People have a reason to be rude about it. The rule has been disobyed many times, and although it may not have been the same person who's done it, the fact of the matter is: they didn't read the rules.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

People have a reason to be rude about it. The rule has been disobyed many times, and although it may not have been the same person who's done it, the fact of the matter is: they didn't read the rules.

Hmm, so by your theory, I have the right to be rude to those members who have broken the forum rules more than once?
No

Anyway, this thread is suppose to be to help the creator with a script, not to discuss the rules.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by jake13jake

How most scripters have learned to script in the past is messing with scripts that already exist. Messing with a script that already exists. That's why I would point to my movement class. It's not really integrable into the default movement anymore, but it's easy to make it that way with slight modifications. It might be better to present a script that's similar to what they are looking for but might not be quite what they want. That way they could start to learn.

I agree with you, that is how I learned the tiny bit of scripting that I have learned, by looking at other peoples scripts, and playing around with them...

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Hmm, so by your theory, I have the right to be rude to those members who have broken the forum rules more than once?

If it gets through to them, sure.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I agree with you, that is how I learned the tiny bit of scripting that I have learned, by looking at other peoples scripts, and playing around with them...

Hence only learning a tiny bit. Despite what other people say, you cannot start from ground zero and learn in an efficient manner by simply looking at scripts. Doing this also leads to looking at scripts which ignore standards and use deprecated functions, which forces you to learn to do something the 'wrong' way. (I belive posting bad advice is another one of the forums rules that is constantly criticised)

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

If it gets through to them, sure.

Being rude is never how to handle customers.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Being rude is never how to handle customers.

Okie isn't part of CyberJ, so they arn't customers for him.

Although I agree it's bad to be rude, Okie is right mostly.

In my opinion the solution to this problem is to finally get an up to date source of information/tutorials, which is what we are doing on the GraalBible and GraalWiki.

[Prozac]

I agree with more time being focused on making the GraalBible and Gscript Wiki into complete tools, which can be used by a person, with no prior computer programming skills, to teach them how to make working and effecient npcs.

Rudeness begets anger and often casues a circle of hate. I have a mental checklist of account names whose replies I ignore, becasue most of what they do here is be rude to not only me but several other people, becasue being right about what they are convinced is right is more important than helping someone else be happy with a better way to answer scripting questions.

See my other post in here with a basic outline with conditional checks, and the rest in algorithm-speak, and that is better than a big link to the rules whenever someone asks for a chunk of code.

But all I can do is suggest a better way to handle questions that are not phased propperly. Every one is going to keep doing what they have been doing until they make up their mind to change, and from seeing the arrogant stubbornness by the people here - over many years in some cases - that is not likely to change.

The scripting forums may always have their newcomers eager to learn but lacking the right way to ask questions, leading to the jerk wads flaming them for asking for code, and the occasional person who teaches them through an algorithm and explains how certain commands in question work. Always new ones of the first group, way too many of the second, and not enough of the third.

[gamer4lifebitach]

nvm, i dont need help anymore. i made it my self.

Also in the first pm i made in this thread, i said can some one give me OR help me make a haste script. so dont give me that ass mood of giving scripts...

[ZeLpH_MyStiK]

Originally Posted by gamer4lifebitach

nvm, i dont need help anymore. i made it my self.

Also in the first pm i made in this thread, i said can some one give me OR help me make a haste script. so dont give me that ass mood of giving scripts...

then don't ask us to give you scripts -.-