The Rabbit Hole Ends Here?

[falco10291029]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Why not? Some of the mistakes I listed are pretty recent, and they're all the result of one thing: a lack of understanding of how GScript works. The CNPC example wasn't just an honest mistake; he was repeatedly shown the correct path of reasoning but chose to cling to his delusions. The getplayer thing demonstrates that he didn't understand the concept of an active player, despite having scripted for the NPC Server in the past. Don't even ask me about the #v(strtofloat()) idea. I've no idea what he was thinking there.

The point is that somebody's failings certainly do carry implications about their skill. In ProjectShifter's case, they belie an inability to think as a programmer.

For recent mistkes, yes I would agree with you. However if that same mistake isn't made in recent times with a similar circumstance, i would say then that a past mistake is totally irrelevant. Of course if the same mistake is made, then you're totally justified

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by falco10291029

However if that same mistake isn't made in recent times with a similar circumstance, i would say then that a past mistake is totally irrelevant

If we can generalise to the mistake of 'not thinking about what he's doing' then yes, he still makes it today. The details are different, but the cause is the same.

But hell, I'm not even required to make that point. If it can be shown that he was an incompetent scripter/programmer/thinker two years ago, it is rational to think that he still exhibits those traits. After all, stupidity isn't something that can easily be cured. The greater burden of proof is on those who claim that he has changed.

[falco10291029]

Scripting/programming improves over time, a lot.

Thinking however...well if you get somer good poitive examples of him thinking in a flawed way then i will agree.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by falco10291029

if you get somer good poitive examples of him thinking in a flawed way then i will agree.

Gladly: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=46818

[falco10291029]

I'm not going to surf through 7 pages to find your point, which page shows him being stupid (i read the first couple pages and saw his misinformation, but that is knowledge not thinking ability, and i have inbferred things the same way and then later admitted i was wrong and didnt do it again)

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by falco10291029

I'm not going to surf through 7 pages to find your point

That's not my problem. I've given you the information, I don't much care if you don't bother to use it.

[davidpsy]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

That's not my problem. I've given you the information, I don't much care if you don't bother to use it.

Can you show us the specific quotes you're refering too in that thread, please? It would be appericiated. .

[Lance]

Originally Posted by davidpsy

Can you show us the specific quotes you're refering too in that thread, please? It would be appericiated. .

They start on page two.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by davidpsy

Can you show us the specific quotes you're refering too in that thread, please?

Man, read it for yourself. His car analogy is quite comical, for instance, and pay attention to where he said he would admit his stupidity if Stefan proved him wrong.

[davidpsy]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Man, read it for yourself. His car analogy is quite comical, for instance, and pay attention to where he said he would admit his stupidity if Stefan proved him wrong.

Hmm, well personally I think you guys were making a mountain out of a molehill over weather or not timeout lags an npc server or not (not to say that it isn't important). As for Project Shifter, he was wrong apperently, he also made a bad analogy as you say. This happened a year ago though. I'm not going to judge Project Shifter based on a minor argument that he lost over a year ago.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by davidpsy

As for Project Shifter, he was wrong apperently, he also made a bad analogy as you say. This happened a year ago though

More than a year, but what does that matter? Unless he had a brain transplant, he's not going to have become much more intelligent since then.

[davidpsy]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

More than a year, but what does that matter? Unless he had a brain transplant, he's not going to have become much more intelligent since then.

People can change in a year. PS didn't seem that unintelligent even then, he was wrong, perhaps he was emotional, however, hes human. I must admit, that thread was rather funny, in that how you guys took such a small matter and turned it into what it was. I mean come on, you guys went a bit crazy.

I'm not convinced. I don't think Project Shifter is an unintelligent person. He was wrong though.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

More than a year, but what does that matter? Unless he had a brain transplant, he's not going to have become much more intelligent since then.

He doesn't have to have become much more intelligent, just more intelligent enough not to do the same thing again.

[falco10291029]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

That's not my problem. I've given you the information, I don't much care if you don't bother to use it.

I really hope you aren't the one who finds the cure for cancer.


"It's in one of those 50,000 bottles, it isn't my problem if you don't want to look for it"

[davidpsy]

Originally Posted by falco10291029

I really hope you aren't the one who finds the cure for cancer.


"It's in one of those 50,000 bottles, it isn't my problem if you don't want to look for it"

Its not really as hard as you made it out to be to find out what in that thread Kaimetsu is refering to. However, as I requested, it would have been nice to see the specific quotes he was refering to rather than having to assume what quotes in that thread he was refering to.

[falco10291029]

Alright, I read through it, and found the car arguments and such things. From the looks of it, neither of you really were boasting intelligience in that thread IMO. It also shows you both leaning on a wall that you hope is there. Anyway it shows that PS doesn't always think the straightest, but it also shows that you don't either.


On a side note from the looks of that thread and the skilsl you both had back then at scripting I could be in the GST right now if I wanted

[Unpredlctable]

Oh, no, let's all argue about things that no one will care about in a week...


Farewell, Projectshifter.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by davidpsy

People can change in a year. PS didn't seem that unintelligent even then

Perhaps your ignorance of the subject prevents you from realising his idiocy. He displayed a complete and pigheaded refusal to think about what he was saying. He formed his delusions ahead of time and honestly thought that loaded analogies constituted "strong and solid" arguments. Even with multiple learned people explaining his folly, he utterly failed to learn a single thing. Not unintelligent?

Originally Posted by falco10291029

I really hope you aren't the one who finds the cure for cancer.

"It's in one of those 50,000 bottles, it isn't my problem if you don't want to look for it"

I really hope you aren't the one who finds the cure for cancer.

"It's in one of these 50,000 bottles, but I can't be bothered to look for it. You go look for me".

In short: Don't be stupid. Reading isn't so difficult, even for you.

Originally Posted by falco10291029

From the looks of it, neither of you really were boasting intelligience in that thread IMO. It also shows you both leaning on a wall that you hope is there

What? It shows me (and others) steadfastly and patiently explaining the truth to PS. What wall? Where did I make a single mistake or error of judgement?

On a side note from the looks of that thread and the skilsl you both had back then at scripting I could be in the GST right now if I wanted

Well, there's one for the quote list.

[davidpsy]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Perhaps your ignorance of the subject prevents you from realising his idiocy. He displayed a complete and pigheaded refusal to think about what he was saying. He formed his delusions ahead of time and honestly thought that loaded analogies constituted "strong and solid" arguments. Even with multiple learned people explaining his folly, he utterly failed to learn a single thing. Not unintelligent?

I guess he wasn't acting very intelligent in that thread. Also you have to take into account that people in general are not very open to listening to others explanations when the way the information is provided is in an insultive manner. You guys were basically name calling each other in the mist's of all this. How can you expect Project Shifter to listen to you while you were putting him down? I am not going to judge PS based on something that happened over a year ago.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by davidpsy

You guys were basically name calling each other in the mist's of all this. How can you expect Project Shifter to listen to you while you were putting him down?

Toward the latter half, maybe. But that's hardly an excuse. It's not that he was too proud to admit that he was wrong; he just simply couldn't see it. I do not think that emotional investment is good justification for employing such poor reasoning.

I am not going to judge PS based on something that happened over a year ago.

Fine by me. You can pursue whatever agenda you like, even if it does mean deceiving yourself.

[davidpsy]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Toward the latter half, maybe. But that's hardly an excuse. It's not that he was too proud to admit that he was wrong; he just simply couldn't see it. I do not think that emotional investment is good justification for employing such poor reasoning. Fine by me. You can pursue whatever agenda you like, even if it does mean deceiving yourself.

Alright, fine by me. You have your opinion, I have mine, lets leave it at that.

[Kaimetsu]

Hey, don't misquote me.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by davidpsy

Alright, fine by me. You have your opinion, I have mine, lets leave it at that.

Are you trying to say that Projectshifter is a better scripter than Kaimetsu?

[davidpsy]

Originally Posted by Googi

Are you trying to say that Projectshifter is a better scripter than Kaimetsu?

Uhh.. Huh?!

[Darlene159]

I just love how you guys turned a thread where PS was saying good-bye, into a thread in which to discuss his scripting. Not even discuss it, bash it.
I have had rounds with PS, but to call him un-intelligent? No
To say he hasn't learned anything? No
To think he has never helped anyone? No
These forums were not put here so you can pick people apart, degrade what they have done over the years for Graal.

This thread is closed.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

These forums were not put here so you can pick people apart, degrade what they have done over the years for Graal.

This thread is closed.

I guess they are not for discussion, either.

May your future be a brighter one, PS.