New Scripting Tutorial Soon?

[Projectshifter]

Lately I've been getting a lot of requests to make a new scripting tutorial, and I've been thinking about it. If I do I will probably do it next weekend depending if I go to this tournament or not.
But the real question is should I spend the time on it, and if so, should I do it in the current engine or the new engine?

If I do it in the current engine, people can use it now, and basically always. If I do it in the new engine (which I think some current scripters prefer) it cannot be used for quite some time, so would not make much sense until people can try it. So please, let me know what you think. If you think it should be made, which language and give reasons why. Not just "I want to see new engine!" yes, everyone does, but think practically for reasons please.

[Nappa]

I dont think you should make one. Everyone is getting lazy. I learned to script moderately well (i'm not near the best) by doing it myself and asking questions.

[DarkShadows_Legend]

New Engine, because it is new and seems like it is going to be a lot different than the old.

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by Nappa

I dont think you should make one. Everyone is getting lazy. I learned to script moderately well (i'm not near the best) by doing it myself and asking questions.

But wouldn't it be an incentive for new people to learn to script? I might try to talk to Stefan about doing some type of #gscript thing that is globally controlled as to where people can test scripts and such. I think that it's important that we not only improve the current scripters we have, but to encourage new people to take it up, to try their hand at it. It's like how they always say "children are our greatest resource". Why is that? It's because they're the future, once this generation is gone, they will take over. Same concept, once this generation of Graalians starts fading out and is replaced by the new ones, wouldn't it be nice to have some good scripters?

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

I might try to talk to Stefan about doing some type of #gscript thing that is globally controlled as to where people can test scripts and such.

Be sure to give access to your good friend Okie

[Nappa]

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

But wouldn't it be an incentive for new people to learn to script? I might try to talk to Stefan about doing some type of #gscript thing that is globally controlled as to where people can test scripts and such. I think that it's important that we not only improve the current scripters we have, but to encourage new people to take it up, to try their hand at it. It's like how they always say "children are our greatest resource". Why is that? It's because they're the future, once this generation is gone, they will take over. Same concept, once this generation of Graalians starts fading out and is replaced by the new ones, wouldn't it be nice to have some good scripters?

I think if a guide to scripting was made, more people would be lazy, more untrustworthy people would script, and their would be more problems.

But at the same time yes, more good people with good work ethics would script. I think it's kind of like a double edged sword in that aspect.

However I think if people truly want to learn, they will do it the good ol fashioned way.

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by Nappa

I think if a guide to scripting was made, more people would be lazy, more untrustworthy people would script, and their would be more problems.

But at the same time yes, more good people with good work ethics would script. I think it's kind of like a double edged sword in that aspect.

However I think if people truly want to learn, they will do it the good ol fashioned way.

I agree with you in many aspects of this, but I don't think "laziness" really means much. I think it takes incentive to sit down and try and read over a tutorial and play with it to try to understand it. Many people are turned off because they think learning to script is far outside their reach. I think if we enabled the average person to have a shot at learning it, then we might find ourselves overwhelmed by the number of people who are fairly decent at it? We may not find any great coders of our time, the majority of really really good coders do other languages and pick them up quite quickly. I've met a total of 5 or 6 people in my life who can just take a language, and run with it. But some coders > no coders?

[Nappa]

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

I agree with you in many aspects of this, but I don't think "laziness" really means much. I think it takes incentive to sit down and try and read over a tutorial and play with it to try to understand it. Many people are turned off because they think learning to script is far outside their reach. I think if we enabled the average person to have a shot at learning it, then we might find ourselves overwhelmed by the number of people who are fairly decent at it? We may not find any great coders of our time, the majority of really really good coders do other languages and pick them up quite quickly. I've met a total of 5 or 6 people in my life who can just take a language, and run with it. But some coders > no coders?

True, I suppose. It just depends on how you look at it.

[Shaun]

Untrustworthy people scripting...???

...Huh?

[Nappa]

Someone who want's to blow up your server specifically because they think it's "Fun"

[Lance]

"A new scripting tutorial" is pretty vague, man. If you don't state what topic(s) the tutorial would cover, I can't vote in your poll.

[Projectshifter]

Originally Posted by Lance

"A new scripting tutorial" is pretty vague, man. If you don't state what topic(s) the tutorial would cover, I can't vote in your poll.

The topic would be general scripting Would be some parts that are more indepth, but it would be a beginner to novice level, and then would include some more advanced instructions. It's like books that explain concepts, then have those random boxes that are in the middle of the page that annoy you with extra facts that you wouldn't understand unless you already know the subject matter, lol.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Projectshifter

The topic would be general scripting Would be some parts that are more indepth, but it would be a beginner to novice level, and then would include some more advanced instructions.

I have a suggestion, if you're going down that path: how about a primarily languageless tutorial where you explain just the concepts involved without delving too much into the code? I think that would be the most beneficial if your goal is to bring new people into scripting. Plus, it could easily be adapted from the current engine to the new engine.

It's like books that explain concepts, then have those random boxes that are in the middle of the page that annoy you with extra facts that you wouldn't understand unless you already know the subject matter, lol.

Uh. You want to have boxes that people wouldn't understand unless they already understood it? That seems silly. Why not have boxes with explanations that people would understand if they didn't already?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Nappa

Someone who want's to blow up your server specifically because they think it's "Fun"

You don't need to be a scripter to screw something up. Besides, what's stopping those who keep current with the scripting system from doing that now? On one classic-tab playerworld, scripters already abuse their scripting abilities to unbalance the game in ways the management disaproves of, but unfortunately there is a lack of scripters so nothing can be done.

Give me FTP access to a playerworld, I bet I, one limited in the new GScript, can do some damage.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by Shaun

On one classic-tab playerworld, scripters already abuse their scripting abilities to unbalance the game in ways the management disaproves of

As far as I know, If a playerworld was devoted to letting people test scripts and things like that, it is impossible to 'abuse their scripting abilities to unbalance the game', as there was no original balance to begin with.

Originally Posted by Shaun

but unfortunately there is a lack of scripters so nothing can be done

Which is why this is a good idea, more people will learn how to script, so there will no longer be a shortage of scripters.