A Comedy of Species

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by busyrobot

Everything is part of a system and some systems are simplier than others

Yes. But this does not contradict my point.

This community is simple enough for it to self manage the issue of races

Well, that's a completely different matter. We were talking about tracking Gryffon's influence, which remains impossible.

It has not had trouble with races

Assertion.

And yet I would find it difficult to believe you could devise a rule system to manage South Atlantic hurricanes. Lets keep the examples relevant maybe?

"Poltician nukes the capitol and chaos ensues"

Nice consistency.

Inductive logic needs at least limited observations

Yes. But not of the kind you think. My arguments are predicated on human nature being as I describe. You can tackle this issue, but it is not specific to any Graal server.

I don't think that analogy fits - care to fill in the blanks with the actual case in point that you are referring to?

It's not an analogy, it's a direct copy. Minus some specifics, of course.

Me: "Nor have I given you reason to believe that I've only seen one example" = "You have no reason to believe ¬X" (where X is 'I have seen multiple examples')
You: "[You] act like I am out of line for not assuming you have tons of more instances to back up your case?" = "You're accusing me of being "out of line" for not assuming X"

I already did that, and whereas your logic fails to describe the environment

Are you not listening? Inductive logic! If the core reasoning holds, it applies to any environment! Your only recourse is to show that the reasoning is invalid. You can only do this by:
A) Proving that GK hasn't been affected in the way that I describe - that it would be no better if there were a system of regulation.
B) Finding some flaw in the logic.

Your current approach - repetitive assertions about the current state of GK - is void of any persuasive value. It just doesn't tackle the argument.

Other than Shawn and Gryf and 'the demon' (all of which I have already explained) there are no other examples to even reference of these problems

Assertion.

The absense of something can never be effectively proven - you should know that - it can only be disproven by showing that such is not in fact absent

Great, so you can't prove your claims. What, are you telling me this so that I'll feel sorry for you? Just stop making them!

Yet it does not accurately reflect the shape of the game world

Assertion.

and does not take into account specific local factors

Well, the impact of those factors is still in dispute. So far I think the discussion looks like this:

Me: You assume that everybody is reasonable. Can you support this claim?
You: Everybody is reasonable!!!

We've all had the experience of reading (not seeing him create it) his backstory, but many of us have also had many hours of playing with the fellow to add to our experience

Are you implying that the person who knows X best is automatically the best source for information on him/her? That we should ignore all other facts if X's friend tells us something that contradicts them? That would make the judicial system much less expensive, I think. We could just go ask the criminals' mothers for their opinions.

By which I mean, just because something can happen does not mean it will

But that is not the same as proving that it doesn't.

Huh? Clarify?

You do not understand formal logic? That is quite a handicap. I suggest that you consult Wikipedia or somesuch.

The issue is not how grandiose a story is but if it negatively impacts it has on roleplaying within the community

Man, stop changing your story. First you hold that demon-guy thread as a shining example of community self-regulation, then you deny that there was a problem to begin with. Then what exactly was regulated?

Observation

Observations cannot be used as the basis for new policies unless they are turned into theories.

If it became a problem it would be a problem for more than just 5 players

Then why are you even talking about kingdom leaders?

"All it would take is for kingdom leaders to say "you know this has gotten to be a problem we need to rethink this now""