Global Development Team

[ETD]

Ok, this is inpart due to the arguing in the other thread, and also an idea I had while walking back from class.

Just read the set-up, and then comment after.... since this might not be exactly what you'd assume I am about to say.

The Global Development Team (GDT) would be under the Playerworld Administration (PWA) Admin (Spark) and be like a branch of the PWA. The GDT would incharge of doing the following:

• Handling stolen material on all playerworlds
• Improving the quality of development teams on playerworlds which ask for help
• Possibly doing projects for public playerworlds (not hosted or private) which need help badly.

The GDT would more help a playerworld, by helping them create a team of workers, rather than doing work for them... as the saying goes "If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime." The GDT would work on improving the knowlege of the staff on a playerworld, by teaching them levels, graphics, or scripting (whichever they need help in). Also, if a world needs help hiring new staff, they would help choose good staff for the jobs (like, if a manager does not know how to script, a scripter in the GDT would help go through the applications, and tell the manager which applicants know what they're talking about).

The GDT would only help PlayerWorlds which need it, unlike the GGT, and GST, which work on GK mostly. There would be 3 members from each area of development, 3 scripters, 3 graphics artists, and 3 level designers. Members of this team would be chosen by Spark.

Please comment, and try not to flame me, it's only an idea o.o

[WanDaMan]

I love the idea, i'm 100% for it,

[Spark910]

First point is handled by PWA, so you wouldn't need to do it.
Second/Third point could be done by a group of people who are not 'staff', you can just be known for what you do.

Unixmad does not wish to give out alot of RCs due to recent attacks and the way in which Nemesis left, so you wouldn't get any globalrights.

GGT also doesn't work for GK that I know of, and im not in charge of GST so unless they wanted to be apart of it there would be no 'GDT'. Not to mention the GST did create that thread to help PWs with NPCs and I heard nothing but 'they didnt make the NPCs' from players, so I doubt they are interested anyway.

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Spark910

First point is handled by PWA, so you wouldn't need to do it.
Second/Third point could be done by a group of people who are not 'staff', you can just be known for what you do.

Unixmad does not wish to give out alot of RCs due to recent attacks and the way in which Nemesis left, so you wouldn't get any globalrights.

GGT also doesn't work for GK that I know of, and im not in charge of GST so unless they wanted to be apart of it there would be no 'GDT'. Not to mention the GST did create that thread to help PWs with NPCs and I heard nothing but 'they didnt make the NPCs' from players, so I doubt they are interested anyway.

Fair enough, global tags would do so they know they could trust us.

[kabouter]

I love the idea

[Spark910]

just make a guild?

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Spark910

just make a guild?

Make it appear on the staff list?

[Spark910]

I dont appear in the staff list, nor the GGT, the accounts staff, GST etc... atleast not that I know of 0_o

[ETD]

That's why this would be apart from the GGT and GST...

1. the members would not need a high level of RC... their RC rights would be dependent upon what the manager wants to give them.

2. Sure PWA handles stolen material, but this would be a simple way to ease your job, and give you more time to review PW's, and handle staff issues. With the growing number of PW's out there, it's going to be harder and harder for the 4 of you to handle all several hundred of them.

3. Wouldn't you rather the group be under your control, and regulated by G.O. rather than a group of un-official people?

4. The whole point of a GDT would be to help playerworlds, since the GGT and GST don't really do that, and it isn't even part of their job.

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Spark910

I dont appear in the staff list, nor the GGT, the accounts staff, GST etc... atleast not that I know of 0_o

Well it should be, log onto era and we shall check!

[kabouter]

This idea is really good since not many people are checking pw on stolen material.
Probably the pwa will do this, but there are many many servers.

What I also really like is that it is also a team who helps others with level.
I like the idea!

[MysticalDragonP2P]

Originally Posted by Spark910

Unixmad does not wish to give out alot of RCs due to recent attacks and the way in which Nemesis left, so you wouldn't get any globalrights.

I think unixmad can speak for himself and Nemesis went crazey over power hungry people like your self

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Spark910

I heard nothing but 'they didnt make the NPCs' from players

Of course players are not going to come and complain about us actually helping...

We are helping quite a lot of people, but we are not going to write whole complex systems for them when we can avoid it. There are over hundred PWs and we cannot run them all.


The GST is mostly what is asked for, here, anyway.

[Spark910]

Correct @ Loriel

Originally Posted by MysticalDragonP2P

I think unixmad can speak for himself and Nemesis went crazey over power hungry people like your self

Fine, I won't tell you information as to why the GDT may never get global rights. And don't tell me you've never posted something someone else has said, because thats all I did.

hmmm... forum improvement idea *goes to tyhms post* a spell checker.

[Andy0687]

Good idea, but clearly already shot down, what a shame

We could make a guild, and be like "We will help your playerworld!" but lol, what would that do?

Anyone could make a guild called anything, and say it was ment to help someone, but without the recognition of someone, it is usless.

Bringing Nemesis into this also isnt fair to anyone else, as since that time there has been more Global RC's sat up, and that excuse really isnt existant.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by ETD

it's going to be harder and harder for the 4 of you to handle all several hundred of them.

3 not 4...
MG helps with accounts now.

[Spark910]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Bringing Nemesis into this also isnt fair to anyone else, as since that time there has been more Global RC's sat up, and that excuse really isnt existant.

Thats the reason why there are not as many high leveled RCs.
Sure its good, he helped with security. Just saying not so many have been easily added since.

[ETD]

Rights don't really matter as much.... it's more the authority, and backing of G.O. that is needed for this to work... I just thought it would help
=(

[Crono]

I somewhat agree. I would rather see a GLT to complete the development branch rather than make a "development" section which basically dodes what the GGT and GST does.

I still don't see why they would prefer having both GST and GGT over GLT. I've always thought LATS and NATS come first, THEN GATS.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I somewhat agree. I would rather see a GLT to complete the development branch rather than make a "development" section which basically dodes what the GGT and GST does.

I still don't see why they would prefer having both GST and GGT over GLT. I've always thought LATS and NATS come first, THEN GATS.

I presonaly think someone who can make a tileset is MUCH better then the person who can wield the tileset to make a level.

[ETD]

lets just say all 3 are equals? o.o (is what I think)

Though the scripters always seem to think they are more important...

BUT LETS NOT GET INTO THIS o.o otherwise this will just turn into a big argument over which branch of development is more important.

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by ETD

lets just say all 3 are equals? o.o (is what I think)

Though the scripters always seem to think they are more important...

BUT LETS NOT GET INTO THIS o.o otherwise this will just turn into a big argument over which branch of development is more important.

Glad I script

[Crono]

[QUOTE=ETD]lets just say all 3 are equals? o.o (is what I think)
QUOTE]


Well then throw away the GGT and GST crap and just make a GDT. (Global Development Team for those who didnt read ETD's post)

[Loriel]

Why do you not just apply for a job on a playerworld if you want to help... ?

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Well then throw away the GGT and GST crap and just make a GDT. (Global Development Team for those who didnt read ETD's post)

I still don't seewhat the GLT could do other then check for stolen levels which is what the PWA does already...

[ETD]

Originally Posted by Loriel

Why do you not just apply for a job on a playerworld if you want to help... ?

did you read my post? the point would be to help improve the staff teams on each PW.... not just do work for them, but teach them to do work for themselves.... instead of giving out handouts of a little free work, the GDT would make sure the PW's are self-sufficient when it comes to their development needs.


Also, it would be nice to have more then just 3 people incharge of looking for stolen material (well, as of now the PWA only does something if it is reported)

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by ETD

did you read my post? the point would be to help improve the staff teams on each PW.... not just do work for them, but teach them to do work for themselves.... instead of giving out handouts of a little free work, the GDT would make sure the PW's are self-sufficient when it comes to their development needs.


Also, it would be nice to have more then just 3 people incharge of looking for stolen material (well, as of now the PWA only does something if it is reported)

Is PWA gonna hire someone else now?

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by zokemon

Is PWA gonna hire someone else now?

probably not?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Loriel

Why do you not just apply for a job on a playerworld if you want to help... ?

Why dont they just hire a NAT/GAT if they want to help on a playerworld rather than making them global? A GDT would be like GST and GGT but also with the level division mixed up into one tag. Makes things easier too I guess.

[NeoJenova]

It seems like instead of talking about this maybe the people that want to be involved should show action first. Start doing this on your own, show G.O. how much of a help a team like this is to the playerworlds and maybe you will have a little more to back up the creation of GDT.

Actions speak louder the words.

As for the the PWA, GST, and GGT, each team has been helpful to me on various occasions and has handled most of my problems even when it wasn't there "field".

[Python523]

Retarded idea

[DarkShadows_Legend]

lol@Jagen

Whats funny about this all is some of the people wanting this are some of the same people that were against all the 'PWA babysitting our servers'.

[NeoJenova]

I don't like the idea personally I think the GST GGT and PWA do enough and cover most of whats explained in this idea. I just gave a suggestion to those trying to create this team.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by DarkShadows_Legend

lol@Jagen

Whats funny about this all is some of the people wanting this are some of the same people that were against all the 'PWA babysitting our servers'.

That's what I thought too.
Bad idea

[Milkdude99]

Why is it you think you have to be Global to help Playerworlds? I helped many players and servers without being Global and found no problem in doing so if your desire is sincere. Remember also there is resentment to any control you try to impose on any Playerworld good or bad. Servers may not want your help; they already have in mind what they want to develop and how they want to do it. So for you guys to go in and say hey you can do this level better by this or that; it will bring resentment from them, not from all but some will. I think the Playerworlds have enough Globals running around that they do not want to see even more of them. Globals get a bad rap as it is because some have the charisma of a bull in a china shop and thus creates more harm than good. Like the saying goes it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

If you want to help then by all means please do so, just don't ask for Global status for a position that is so unnecessary. It makes you guys look like newbs asking for Staff positions on a server, which we all know what happens when you do that. I am not asking you guys to squash the idea at all just do it on your own if your desire is really to help the servers then I applaud your efforts toward that. But if you let this idea die because you cannot get Global status then your motives here will be crystal clear. So now that you have put yourselves in the "limelight " on this everyone will be watching to see what you do and depending on what you do will determine what your true motives are.

I wish you luck on the idea and I hope your motives are true.

Just an added note:
Anyone who has an idea which deserves a Global status and can give reasonable justifiable reasons for a position, really good reasons I will be happy to go to bat for the idea with Unixmad and I will support them all the way on it, but I am sorry to say in my mind this is not one of them. You have not convinced me as of yet of a justifiable reason to do so.

Moon God / Charlie

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

Why is it you think you have to be Global to help Playerworlds? I helped many players and servers without being Global and found no problem in doing so if your desire is sincere. Remember also there is resentment to any control you try to impose on any Playerworld good or bad. Servers may not want your help; they already have in mind what they want to develop and how they want to do it. So for you guys to go in and say hey you can do this level better by this or that; it will bring resentment from them, not from all but some will. I think the Playerworlds have enough Globals running around that they do not want to see even more of them. Globals get a bad rap as it is because some have the charisma of a bull in a china shop and thus creates more harm than good. Like the saying goes it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

If you want to help then by all means please do so, just don't ask for Global status for a position that is so unnecessary. It makes you guys look like newbs asking for Staff positions on a server, which we all know what happens when you do that. I am not asking you guys to squash the idea at all just do it on your own if your desire is really to help the servers then I applaud your efforts toward that. But if you let this idea die because you cannot get Global status then your motives here will be crystal clear. So now that you have put yourselves in the "limelight " on this everyone will be watching to see what you do and depending on what you do will determine what your true motives are.

I wish you luck on the idea and I hope your motives are true.

Just an added note:
Anyone who has an idea which deserves a Global status and can give reasonable justifiable reasons for a position, really good reasons I will be happy to go to bat for the idea with Unixmad and I will support them all the way on it, but I am sorry to say in my mind this is not one of them. You have not convinced me as of yet of a justifiable reason to do so.

Moon God / Charlie

MG's long post = teh
(I mean I agree )

[ETD]

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

Why is it you think you have to be Global to help Playerworlds? I helped many players and servers without being Global and found no problem in doing so if your desire is sincere.

the problem isn't people WANTING to help, it's that no-one WANTS to help, unless they get some kind of recognition, or have the ability to do it easily... no-one's going to help out a bunch of PW's, just to get nothing in return... also, people who do this will just be seen as another person offering help, but not actually doing anything...

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

Remember also there is resentment to any control you try to impose on any Playerworld good or bad. Servers may not want your help; they already have in mind what they want to develop and how they want to do it. So for you guys to go in and say hey you can do this level better by this or that; it will bring resentment from them, not from all but some will.

Why would they go to a PW, and tell them how to improve, when I thought I said that they would recieve help if they ask for it o.o

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

It makes you guys look like newbs asking for Staff positions on a server, which we all know what happens when you do that.

I haven't seen a single person ask for a possition on this team in this thread... actually, I haven't seen anyone ask for any staff possition of any kind in this thread

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

I am not asking you guys to squash the idea at all just do it on your own if your desire is really to help the servers then I applaud your efforts toward that. But if you let this idea die because you cannot get Global status then your motives here will be crystal clear. So now that you have put yourselves in the "limelight " on this everyone will be watching to see what you do and depending on what you do will determine what your true motives are.

I wish you luck on the idea and I hope your motives are true.

Are you talking to me? or maybe Wan? or someone else? because I know in my case, I never even planned on even trying to be a member on this team... actually, I probably would have rather RECIEVED help from this team, than GIVE help to others... You should know I have my hands full enough with my own server....

As for wan, I don't think he's doing much graal related besides a little side work on his own server... I doubt he would have even been a member either...

Just because we'd like a team formed, because we think it would be the best thing for classic playerworlds, doesn't mean we want to be a part of it... I don't see why you'd assume such a thing

[MysticalDragonP2P]

Originally Posted by Milkdude99

Why is it you think you have to be Global to help Playerworlds? I helped many players and servers without being Global and found no problem in doing so if your desire is sincere. Remember also there is resentment to any control you try to impose on any Playerworld good or bad. Servers may not want your help; they already have in mind what they want to develop and how they want to do it. So for you guys to go in and say hey you can do this level better by this or that; it will bring resentment from them, not from all but some will. I think the Playerworlds have enough Globals running around that they do not want to see even more of them. Globals get a bad rap as it is because some have the charisma of a bull in a china shop and thus creates more harm than good. Like the saying goes it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

If you want to help then by all means please do so, just don't ask for Global status for a position that is so unnecessary. It makes you guys look like newbs asking for Staff positions on a server, which we all know what happens when you do that. I am not asking you guys to squash the idea at all just do it on your own if your desire is really to help the servers then I applaud your efforts toward that. But if you let this idea die because you cannot get Global status then your motives here will be crystal clear. So now that you have put yourselves in the "limelight " on this everyone will be watching to see what you do and depending on what you do will determine what your true motives are.

I wish you luck on the idea and I hope your motives are true.

Just an added note:
Anyone who has an idea which deserves a Global status and can give reasonable justifiable reasons for a position, really good reasons I will be happy to go to bat for the idea with Unixmad and I will support them all the way on it, but I am sorry to say in my mind this is not one of them. You have not convinced me as of yet of a justifiable reason to do so.

Moon God / Charlie

I dont think this can be said any better :/

[Python523]

Originally Posted by MysticalDragonP2P

I dont think this can be said any better :/

Oh, but it can, and I will say it better in one sentence.

The idea is useless, stupid, and is a cry for power; if people want to help so much, a tag nor a global rc is needed; they can ask servers to help without a tag or rc.

[Milkdude99]

Originally Posted by ETD

..

Just because we'd like a team formed, because we think it would be the best thing for classic playerworlds, doesn't mean we want to be a part of it... I don't see why you'd assume such a thing

Dunno maybe because you started this thread and started this in the first place in another thread? Sounds like to me you are the ring leader in this , if not why did you start this in the first place?